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Yep, it's the same version.
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Pretty sure this is the same version that's on the Benoit DVD. Benoit's WWE music is used and Bret's is altered as well. I'm watching it now. If it is the full match, and I don't think it is, I'll post later.
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I never heard anything regarding that and considering Bret's health, I don't think he could physically do it. Nevermind the fact he's an unknown in Hollywood.
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The original commentary is there for all the matches except those I already noted. Bret vs. Bam Bam has the Spanish commentary instead of what was used on Global Warfare Bret vs. Dibiase has no commentary Harts vs. Rockers has Jesse edited out
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Was able to find one easter egg by accident but haven't been able to get to it since. On the 7/85 MSG match with the Bulldogs, I was at the end of the segment trying to rewind to where the bell rings. For some reason, my screen froze on the last frame (Neidhart's back) and when I pushed play, I could hear Dynamite Kid cut a promo on teaming with the Kiwis to face the Hart Brothers. So either my DVD was acting up or it's a hidden audio clip. Oh and btw, Piper says Bret ended his 17.5 year undefeated run
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Yep, it was from Vol. 3. Still don't know why the commentary was edited out of Bret / Dibiase. I think it was Schiavone and Hayes and they both appear in other matches. Thought it was pretty interesting they left the Spanish commentary intact for Bret / Bigelow. It's the same match from Global Warfare, which I think had JR, Savage, and Heenan on commentary. As far as the DVD itself, I think you'll learn a lot even if you're a longtime Hart fan. One of the more interesting points was Bret never would have guessed in a million years he would have gotten over as a world champion. It wasn't until the time of WrestleMania 9 that he considered himself worthy of the role and thought it was a major injustice that Hogan took the belt at the end of the show. George Scott pushed for Bret to be a cowboy character in the WWF, as he was in Japan, and come out on a white horse. Neidhart made fun of the idea so much that Bret had to go up to George and say he couldn't do it but wanted to try a tag team with Neidhart and Jimmy Hart. George put the three together as a favor, never intending it to take off.
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A few notes: The main feature comes in at just over 2 hours. Guys who participated include Bret, Vince, JR, Christian, Road Warrior Animal, Roddy Piper, Bruce Prichard, Steve Austin, Jimmy Hart, Gene Okerlund, Eric Bischoff, and Chris Benoit. Vince gives a introduction to the feature, thanking Bret for putting all the differences aside and agreeing to participate. Bret gives an intro to the extras, saying he personally picked them. The feature covers Bret's life very well, from birth to the present day. A good chunk of Stampede footage is included and highlights matches against Dynamite Kid, the Stomper, Leo Burke, Bad News Allen, and Nick Bockwinkel. He doesn't say anything negative about Flair. In fact he puts him over ... but does say Flair pulled a few things in their world title match that he didn't expect. He calls Shawn a bastard but puts him over athletically. Puts over Austin huge. The Hart Foundation angle from 97 is covered pretty well. The tag team itself is put over as one of the top teams of all time by those speaking. The first disc features several interview clips of Bret that weren't used in the main feature. These include Bret telling a story about Owen prank calling Stu, talking about Konnan teaching him how to do the Sharpshooter, talking about the death of his brother Dean and how Ted Dibiase let him put on a strong showing at Survivor Series 90, and several others. The most moving is a tribute to the many stars that have died in recent years - from Owen and Pillman to Hawk, Yoko, Perfect, Rude, Bossman, etc. Bret gets pretty emotional during the segment and says Rude will always be a hero to him but doesn't elaborate. Here are the matches featured with details. A few interesting notes when it comes to commentary: The Bret Hart Story: The Best There Is, Was, and Ever Will Be (11/15/05) - Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid fought Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart (w/ Jimmy Hart) to a curfew draw at 13:12 (7/13/85; Madison Square Garden) - Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart (w/ Jimmy Hart) fought B. Brian Blair & Jim Brunzell to a time-limit draw at 18:48 as Brunzell covered Hart following a dropkick (2/17/86; Madison Square Garden) - Ricky Steamboat pinned Bret Hart (w/ Jimmy Hart) at 15:08 when the momentum of a crossbody by Hart put Steamboat on top; during the bout, Jimmy Hart briefly joined the commentary team at ringside (3/8/86; Boston Garden) - Bret Hart fought Ted Dibiase (w/ Virgil) to a double count-out at 15:59 when both men began brawling on the floor; the original commentary was edited out of the match (3/8/89; Odessa, TX) - Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart fought Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty to a double disqualification at around 9:30 when Demolition, who came ringside mid-way through the contest, interfered and all six men began brawling until they were pulled apart by officials; Jesse Ventura's original commentary was edited out of the match (4/23/90; Austin, TX) - The Nasty Boys (w/ Jimmy Hart) defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart to win the titles at 12:10 when Knobs pinned Neidhart after Sags hit Neidhart with Jimmy Hart's motorcyle helmet behind the referee's back, moments after the champions executed the Hart Attack (WrestleMania VII - 3/24/91; Los Angeles Sports Arena) - Bret Hart defeated WWF IC Champion Mr. Perfect (w/ the Coach) at 18:02 via submission with the Sharpshooter to win the title; during the bout, Stu, Helen, and Bruce Hart were seen in the audience; after the contest, Bret hugged his parents at ringside (Summer Slam 91 - 8/26/91; Madison Square Garden) - Davey Boy Smith pinned WWF IC Champion Bret Hart to win the title by blocking a sunset flip attempt at 25:11; after the match, the two along with Diana Hart Smith celebrated in the ring; voted Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Match of the Year (Summer Slam 92 - 8/29/92; Wembley Stadium) - Bret Hart pinned Bam Bam Bigelow with a victory roll at 11:56 after kicking Bigelow in the face as he charged the corner; the original Spanish commentary was used for the match (4/24/93; Barcelona, Spain) - KOTR Semi-Finals: Bret Hart pinned Mr. Perfect at 18:55 by reversing a small package; after the bout, Perfect reentered the ring to shake Hart's hand (King of the Ring 93 - 6/13/93; Dayton, OH) - Owen Hart pinned Bret Hart by blocking an attempted victory roll at 20:21 (WrestleMania X - 3/20/94; Madison Square Garden) - WWF World Champion Bret Hart pinned Owen Hart at around the 15-minute mark after Davey Boy Smith caused the challenger to crotch himself on the top rope; Smith came ringside mid-way through the bout moments after Jim Neidhart did the same; this was deemed Owen's last shot at the title (9/28/94; White Plains, NY) - Bret Hart pinned Hakushi (w/ Shinja) at 14:41 with a reverse roll up out of a waist lock (In Your House #1 - 5/14/95; Syracuse, NY) - Bret Hart pinned WWF World Champion Diesel in a No DQ, No Count-Out, No Time Limit match to win the title at 24:51 with an inside cradle as the champion attempted the powerbomb; moments earlier, Diesel sent the challenger from the ring apron into the Spanish commentary table, breaking it in half; after the match, Diesel knocked down referee Earl Hebner and hit the powerbomb on Hart; moments later, Diesel struck a number of officials and hit a second powerbomb on the new champion; before leaving the ring, the former champion could be heard saying, "I'm back!"; due to pre-match stipulations, Hart would defend the title the following month against Davey Boy Smith at In Your House (Survivor Series 95 - 11/19/95; Landover, MD) - WWF World Champion Bret Hart pinned Davey Boy Smith (w/ Jim Cornette & Diana Hart Smith) at 21:09 with an Oklahoma side roll after kicking the challenger in the face as he ran towards the corner (In Your House #5 - 12/17/95; Hershey, PA) - Bret Hart defeated Steve Austin in a submission match at 22:03 when guest referee Ken Shamrock stopped the match after Austin passed out while in the Sharpshooter after being hit in the head with the timekeeper's bell; after the match, Shamrock held Hart off from further attacking Austin; moments thereafter, Austin hit the Stunner on an offical who attempted to help him to his feet and walked backstage under his own power; voted Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Match of the Year and named Wrestling Observer's Match of the Year as well (WrestleMania 13 - 3/23/97; Chicago, IL; Rosemont Horizon) - WWF World Champion Bret Hart defeated the Undertaker via disqualification at 28:35 when the challenger failed to stop beating on Hart after the champion became entangled in the ropes head-first (One Night Only - 9/20/97; Birmingham, England) - Bret Hart defeated WCW TV Champion Chris Benoit via submission with the Sharpshooter in a non-title match at around the 32-minute mark; Harley Race was the guest ring announcer for the contest; both men dedicated the match to the memory of Owen Hart, who died in the same arena less than 5 months earlier; prior to the match beginning, Benoit came to the ring wearing a shirt featuring Owen; after the bout, Hart and Benoit embraced out of respect and left the ring together (WCW Monday Nitro - 10/4/99; Kansas City, MO; Kemper Arena)
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I picked it up at Wal-Mart earlier today. Just finished the main feature.
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I'll join. I don't have much else to do at 12:55 am on a Saturday
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They taped interviews back in August. I think with Piper, they had Steve Lombardi giving him leading questions like, "Bret Hart says he's the best of all time. Is that true?" I believe Flair and perhaps Lawler were on that list too.
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Same here. *Nevermind* Saw it linked elsewhere. Good stuff.
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Not quite all of them. Here's a quote from yesterday's Observer: Due to time constraints, a lot of the matches that Hart wanted on were removed, most notably the Iron Man match with Michaels. There is fear that some will think it was Hart's choice to leave it out as a slight to Michaels, when in fact, he wanted it on and WWE needed to edit to fit time, and that match was 63:00 between match and intros (had to be longer than that since the match was over 61). There are Stampede Wrestling matches in the documentary itself, but not on the DVD as separate matches. There were a few he wanted on that were cut due to time. Also, Hart's match with the 1-2-3 Kid from Raw, which Hart really wanted on, may have been cut by the company for time reasons. Just as a trivia note. When Vince made the call to production to change the negative DVD to a positive DVD, but before Hart had sent his match requests for the DVD in, the DVD was only going to include eight matches. The focal point was going to still be the Survivor Series match with Michaels, and Hart insisted that not even be included except in highlight form. The other matches they wanted were Hart vs. Undertaker from Summer Slam (Hart nixed it because he thought the England match was better), Bret vs. Owen cage match from SummerSlam (nixed because he thought Mania and White Plains were better), Bret vs. Davey Boy from Wembley (still in), Bret vs. Piper from WrestleMania (Hart had it taken out because he thought he had better matches), Hart vs. Benoit from Toronto (Hart had it replaced by their better match in Kansas City), Hart Foundation vs. Bulldogs where Harts won the tag title (not even relaly a match because Dynamite literally couldn't walk and they did a very quick double-team and beat up on Davey - highlights air on the documentary but the match was not included and replaced by a 1985 house show match with Dynamite before his serious back injury) and Hart vs. Mr. Perfect from 1991 SummerSlam (still in). Between the documentary change, the complete overhaul of the match line-up, and the facing of deadlines, the production people worked literally 24 hours a day that last week to put it together and they deserve a ton of credit for the finished product, no matter how it turns out ... For whatever this is worth, when Hart asked Piper about his comments, because on the original piece Piper, who Hart has always been close with, was very negative. Hart wasn't really hurt by what Michaels said and Hogan, but I think it just opened his eyes to what people had always told him about Hogan. Piper did hurt. Piper told him he was just told to say bad things about him and he felt the light was on and he was just doing a promo and nothing more.
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If it's true that they never said "ECW", I didn't notice it. Great documentary. I picked it up at Wal-Mart a few weeks back.
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It's a fake, plain and simple. Shawn Michaels was too hot in 1996 to lose the belt that quickly to a fellow babyface. If you go to this page and scroll down to the July 25th poster, you can see the original ad. All they did was take Shawn out and put Warrior in - http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/96a.htm
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Here were the runners up that year: The Steiners vs. The Heavenly Bodies (Summer Slam) Rick Rude vs. Dustin Rhodes (Beach Blast) Cactus Jack vs. Big Van Vader (Halloween Havoc) I remember not being too into Marty / HBK back when it aired live. There were much better matches that year.
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It's a former Columbia House release (from the 1993 home video series). The only IC video that Coliseum put out was back in 1987.
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I was referring to the story involving him and Pat Patterson. Pat is talking about whether Al should be face or heel and said, "Well, you can go both ways." Legend has it that Al didn't like the implications of that statement and left.
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It might have helped his chances if he didn't run out of the WWF. At least that's the story.
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Randy Savage pre 1993
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I think the upset would have been the other way around on the Yoko match. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Savage was still being protected and Yoko hadn't faced anyone higher than Virgil or Koko B. Ware on TV. To get a semi-clean pin on free TV was a shock to me. Here's the Hart match: WWF @ Brandon, Manitoba - Keystone Centre - September 22, 1992 (6,000) Wrestling Challenge taping: Prime Time Wrestling - 10/12/92: Bret Hart defeated Blake Beverly (w/ the Genius) via reverse decision; Blake had originally won the match at 10:10 with a double axe handle after Bret became distracted by Beau at ringside, forcing him to release the Sharpshooter; Sgt. Slaughter came ringside to tell the referee what had happened and the decision was overruled
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Blake Beverly over Bret on Prime Time in the fall of 92. It was overturned but for flimsy reasons. Yokozuna over Savage at Road to WrestleMania 9. DDP winning Battlebowl 96.
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I think you're right. I believe the painting was given to smooth things over between the two.
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In some markets, a Snake Pit segment was shown in which Jake hit the DDT on Hogan. It was done to promote Jake / Hogan in the areas where they would be wrestling. They only had a handful of matches in late 86 / early 87, immediately before Jake turned babyface. I think I have one or two instances of Bret vs. Jake, either in singles or 6-man tags. It was during 87-88. I don't think Bret remembers them because he said recently that Jake was one of the guys he would have liked to have wrestled. IIRC, Lawler gave Warrior a painting of the Ultimate one ... Warrior told him off, Lawler broke the frame over Warrior's head. Something along those lines.
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I have them listed as winning a number of squashes in 89 with a "double team top rope move", which I can only assume is the same finisher.
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Both Rhodes left for WCW after the Rumble. Dusty did commentary with JR for Wrestle War 91 and that was 4 weeks after the WWF PPV.