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No argument there. You got a point. I've never seen O'Doyle, so I didn't mention him, but the only real guy that they've made into a legit star is Matt Striker, since they've given him the mic and he's absolutely shined, whereas in his previous feds (PWF Northeast, etc.), he was never given a chance to talk. Surprised to hear how bad Joey/Styles was. I was expecting it to be good. And Wifebeater/Wolfe...only 2 min.? LOL.

I don't like the idea of having a Strong Style tournament in CZW in the first place, but if I could add some guys to it, it'd be any of these guys: Nick Berk, Josh Daniels (vs. Berk), BJ Whitmer, and most of all, Josh Prohibition.

I butchered the title of this thread...sorry. Feedback is welcomed. "3PW: Nostalgia Never Dies...and sometimes that's not such a good thing" Saturday, January 24, 2004 by LucharesuFan619 Nearly twelve years after the inaugural live event of Extreme Championship Wrestling (at that time, NWA Eastern Championship Wrestling) was held, the legacy of ECW is still as evident as it's ever been and that trend appears to be going nowhere anytime soon. Why? Put simply - ECW forever redefined what "professional wrestling" is, with a form of in-ring competition that consisted of violence at a level (then, at least) yet-to-be-seen in the US. As the promotion developed over the years, it expanded it's style and incorporated some impressive scientific wrestling performances onto its shows, but when fans hear the phrase, "ECW," the first word to come to mind for most is "hardcore." It's that style which became the trademark feature of ECW shows and eventually got people not only all across the nation, but all across the world, talking. And quite frankly, they're still talking...if you're looking to find the remnants of ECW, look no further than the US indy circuit, where Chris Hamrick, Julio Dinero, Tony Mamaluke, Kid Kash, and Vic Grimes - all of whom were once, at best, midcard wrestlers while in ECW - find themself in upper level positions of some of the most popular indy promotions in the nation. If a promotion is searching for the type of performers who made ECW famous, though...the hardcore "brawlers," as they're called...they'll also find no shortage of potential choices. Tony DeVito and HC Loc are mainstays in Ring of Honor as the Carnage Crew and Axl Rotten, Ian Rotten, Balls Mahoney, Sabu, The Sandman, and other extreme wrestlers who once worked for ECW are in high demand on indy cards across the country. Many of these promotions have found success in rekindling old rivalries that began in ECW, for the legends that ECW created in guys like Sabu, Sandman, and other workers still have a way of making a fan more likely to attend a wrestling card if they see such names on the scheduled roster. One such organization is Pro-Pain Pro Wrestling, or 3PW for short. Owned and operated by former-porno actress and ECW valet Jasmin St. Claire, and booked by Jasmin and two other ECW veterans - Tod Gorden and her real-life boyfriend, Brian "The Blue Meanie" Heffron, 3PW's first show came on May 18, 2002 in Philadelphia, PA and featured Sabu, Sandman, New Jack, (who comprised the three-way main event) Jasmin, Blue Meanie, The Public Enemy, "Pitbull #1" Gary Wolfe, and other former-ECW talent. Jack and The P.E. have since left the roster, but the five others still regularly appear on 3PW cards, along with Raven, Amish Roadkill, and Justin Credible. And even more ex-ECW talent is being promoted for it's next show, scheduled to occur tonight at Viking Hall. The main event is being hyped as Sabu vs. WWE's Al Snow, and is being billed as "the 10-year anniversary of a match that launched a feud and enhanced two men's careers," a match that occurred on January 28, 1994 in the very same building, only for ECW. The semi-main event is scheduled as a "Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match" between Raven and The Sandman, who had one of the most heated feuds in ECW history during that promotion's heyday. Also, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka will work on the show, as he battles former-ECW Tag Team Champ "Pitbull #1" Gary Wolfe. And finally, booked is a one-night reunion of the Blue World Order, a stable which ECW made famous in the late '90's. Blue Meanie and WWE's Stevie Richards - who were two of the main members of the faction in ECW - are scheduled to represent 3PW's reincarnation. Basically, as of now, the card looks like just that - a reincarnation, only of ECW...with a couple of other random indy talent mixed in (i.e. A.J. Styles, Damian Adams, Ricky Vega, Monsta Mack, and Derek Wylde...and not to mention some other ex-ECW talent in Roadkill, Joey Matthews, and Rockin' Rebel). Don't get me wrong...there's little doubt that the show intself will be exciting. Al Snow has shown in recent indy matches that when his act isn't censored by WWE management and he's allowed to go all out, he's a tremendous worker. Meanwhile, Raven and Sandman - while not as they once were - are still entertaining, especially when paired against one another. However, the problem comes about when one fully comprehends the fact that all of these matches/segments - Snow vs. Sabu, Raven vs. Sandman, Snuka vs. Wolfe, and the bWo - are all scheduled on the same exact show as one another, and not only that, but 3PW's past cards look nearly identical, with recycled ECW era feuds still be used to not only comprise cards, but to main event them. Quite frankly, the facts stand for themselves... 3PW has held a total of 14 live events and therefore the same number of main events (anotherwards, the final match on a card), all 14 of which have featured at least one participant who has previously competed in ECW as a main-eventer. Only three of those 14 main events have featured even one participant who hasn't before wrestled for ECW. Those talents are Syxx-Pac (a.k.a. Sean Waltman/X-Pac) and CZW's John Zandig and Wifebeater. Syxx-Pac twice main evented vs. Sabu, and Zandig & Wifebeater headlined the last show vs. Raven & Sandman. Technically, one should also Dusty Rhodes vs. Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Kevin Sullivan, Terry Funk vs. Abdullah the Butcher vs. Rhodes, and Jerry Lawler vs. Funk as three of several 3PW main events where every single one of the participants - not at least one, but every single competitor - was a former-ECW performer. To be fair, though, I won't count those matches, since Lawler, Abby, and Sullivan all had relatively short tenures in ECW. So, disregarding those three matches, even though technically they would count, eight of the 14 main events in 3PW history have included a list of wrestlers where every single name has competed for ECW. The only three main events - other than the three aforementioned, all of which technically should count, but I'm being generous here - that didn't feature every participant possessing a history in ECW was two Syxx-Pac vs. Sabu matches and the previously stated Zandig/Wifebeater vs. Raven/Sandman bout. Other than that, all of the 3PW main events have been main evented entirely by ex-ECW talent. By the way, if you're wondering about the past 3PW main events, they are, in order from first show to the most recent one: New Jack vs. Sabu vs. Sandman (Bodybag Match), Sabu vs. Sandman, Rhodes vs. Bigelow vs. Sullivan, Syxx-Pac vs. Sabu, Sabu vs. Wolfe, Syxx-Pac vs. Sabu, Sabu vs. Wolfe, Funk vs. Sabu (although this event also showcased a Raven vs. Blue Meanie match that was built off of their ECW history in the bWo), Funk vs. Abby vs. Rhodes, Lawler vs. Funk, Sandman vs. Funk vs. Wolfe, Justin Credible vs. Funk, Raven vs. Sandman vs. Sabu (Ladder Match), and Wifebeater/Zandig vs. Raven, Sandman (this show featured a semi-main event of Jerry Lynn vs. Sabu). Now, take a deep breath for a moment, before continuing. I know I need to take one... Granted, when it's not re-showcasing ECW-invented rivalries, 3PW has produced some undeniably entertaining matches that have showcased the likes of Homicide, Xavier, A.J. Styles, Kid Kash, Low Ki, Joey Matthews, and Nosawa,. As of late, the promotion even deserves considerable kudos for it's pushing of "Hottstuff" Matt Striker, one of the most enteraining acts on the indy circuit when it comes to both mic work and in-ring workrate. However, for all of it's original matchups and segments, there's an entire, four-plus-hour-long videotape that could be compiled, featuring the feuds that it's reincarnated from ECW. Hell, it's not only the main event acts that 3PW is recycling from ECW. A great deal of the midcard happens to be falling to the same trends. Besides the aforementioned return of the bWo and the Blue Meanie vs. Raven and Lynn vs. Sabu matches, 3PW's held a "street fight"-style match between The Bad Breed (Axl & Ian Rotten) and The Public Enemy (Johnny Grunge & the late Rocco Rock) on it's second show, a match specifically hyped as being a return match between the two ECW rival duos. Many of the former-ECW wrestlers that currently comprise and have previously comprised 3PW's roster also were once regulars for the California's Xtreme Pro Wrestling, which folded earlier this year. XPW - as it was called, for short - modeled itself after ECW to a degree similar to that of 3PW, but quite frankly, it did employ a method different than that of 3PW when it came to incorporating the ECW veterans onto its cards. Rather than almost exclusively match ex-ECW talent up against one another, which God knows it did do many times, it regularly used its former-ECW wrestlers to feud with its homegrown talent. Granted, ECW-born rivalries such as Sabu vs. Funk, Credible vs. Shane Douglas, and Douglas vs. Chris Candido did make their way into XPW storylines, but for the most part, considering the vast amount of ex-ECW talent that XPW did use - and it used quite a lot - it, for the most part, employed those workers against their own cream of the crop. To this day, some of "The Rock Superstar" Kaos' best matches in XPW came against Juventud Guerrera, Chris Hamrick, and Danny Doring, and ex-ECW workers like Vic Grimes and John Kronus had some surprisingly enjoyable matches with several different homegrown XPW performers. Hell, the first major feud in XPW's history pitted Big Dick Dudley against "The Real Deal" Damien Steele, who XPW converted from a local midcard indy worker into a future UPW trainer, a standout in Puerto Rico's WWC promotion, and even a regular target of praise by Stuart Max, the acclaimed puroresu journalist on the Internet who also happened to be one of XPW's most frequent detractors. Perhaps XPW's most acclaimed rivalry pitted Sabu against current-CZW superstar The Messiah, as Sabu was able to carry the then-quite green performer to a series of unexpectedly exciting matches. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Although he's previously found considerable success, Damien Steele (real name: Tim Fischer) - who made his wrestling debut in the mid-'90's for Verne Langdon's Slammers Wrestling Federation - has since come upon some hard times, currently facing a drug addiction problem that has kept him from wrestling for the last year.] ROH took and still employs a similar approach, although they've used significantly less ex-ECW talent as XPW has. Arguably the two most intelligently booked rivalries in ROH during 2003 were Homicide vs. Steve Corino and C.M. Punk vs. Raven. ROH - more than probably any other promotion - seems to not have any trouble whatsoever in realizing the most effective way to book big names. Both veterans, Corino and Raven, used their star status to help put over the up-and-comers of the next generation (in this case, Homicide and Punk), and were entirely selfless in their willingness to lay down for the count when the storyline benefited from such an act. Even when Tommy Dreamer appeared on ROH shows in 2003, he did so with the purpose of further putting over ROH talent, such as Punk, Michael Shane (who has since found a regular home in NWA-TNA), and current-WWE wrestler Paul London, as opposed to merely using his name value as self-promotion. Such brilliant booking strategies exemplify why ROH wrestlers, rivalries, and management placed in as impressive positions as they did in the recently released 2003 Wrestling Observer Awards. It's unfortunate that 3PW doesn't seem to get the message that other federations for the most part follow quite well because its owners, Blue Meanie and St. Claire, appear to have most of the resources necessary to become at least a partial alternative to WWE and NWA-TNA. It's one thing to employ those who drew in formerly prosperous to put over your own talent, and it's even something to occasionally reincarnate old school feuds and have them headline a show every now and then, but quite frankly, 3PW doesn't appear to be falling under either of those classications. It's not just it's upcoming event, scheduled to feature - at least as of now - three segments specifically designed to captitalize off of ECW's past successes. For one and a half years of it's being in business, 3PW has given some skillful independent talents a stage to show their abilities on. However, it seems that those future stars - the Low Ki's, the AJ Styles', the Striker's, the Joey Matthews' - are being overshadowed by the stars of yesteryear, thanks to management who don't seem capable of realizing that bringing back feuds that made ECW prosper doesn't guarantee sucess in the current era. One of the primary reasons that XPW recently folded was that fans stereotyped it as an ECW ripoff, and that led to less interest in the product, to the point where began having trouble breaking even. Although fans generally don't regard it as an ECW reincarnation to the degree that they did XPW (although 3PW arguably has adopted just as much, if not more, ECW-esque characteristics as XPW did), 3PW should take notice and avoid the traits that led to XPW's eventual demise, if it wishes to stay in business. No doubt about it...holding ECW as an inspiration is fine, but copying it is a completely different thing, and that's a concept that 3PW management seems unable to realize. The first step comes to tonight - if it wishes to differentiate itself from all of ECW, 3PW would be smart to give its younger talent some time to show what they do best. With the card that's already booked, it looks like the promotion is going to primarily focus on the nostalgia concept and highlight the bWo reformation, Snow, Sabu, Sandman, Raven, etc. However, it's still very important for those veteran workers to keep in the back of their mind that they're headlining a show with an undercard that features some of the most talented young performers the business has to offer. It'll be interesting to see how much time tonight's A.J. Styles vs. Joey Matthews match is given because it has the potential to be outstanding, especially considering the significant improvement Matthews has been putting in his matches, as of late. Raven himself devoted one of his recent commentaries (the 12/10/03 one, to be exact) on his official website, RavenEffect.com, entirely to criticizing the veterans in pro wrestling who are selfish, who are unwilling to put over the stars of the next generation. Granted, Raven himself is very respected in this industry, and for good reason. He's willing to help the young wrestlers hoping to become tomorrow's stars, as evidenced by how - since leaving WWE - he's worked with upper-level indy performers like C.M. Punk, Chris Hero, Christopher Daniels, Low Ki, and AJ Styles and a bunch of other much lesser-known rookies. Raven is no doubt a man of his words, but let's hope that those with the booking power in 3PW take the criticisms of wrestling in general that he offered in that commentary and use it to better their product, instead of building their events off of recycled ECW storylines and workers. Nostalgia is fine when used in moderation, but the fact that 3PW runs in ECW's old stomping grounds, Viking Hall, should be meet that principle just fine. It's priorities, and in fact those of any other wrestling organization, should be to "pass the torch" and thereby "create new stars," and the sooner that 3PW realizes these realities, the better of they'll be.

DX, Austin, Sandman, Shane Douglas, Sabu's XPW theme ("Firemass," by Danzig).

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WTF kind of question is this, especially for a Q&A with Tenay? Oyyy...

www.mlw.com/board's response to my making a post asking if Raven + Sabu were booked for 2/14 and providing a link to the above article in a display of my conclusion: I mean I'd understand them getting pissed maybe, hell even maybe a time out period (like a few day suspension), but 5,123 days a.k.a. like a decade and a half (actually more, b/c I got this message a few days ago and just decided to post it here now)...ain't that shit a little much, especially for a "temporary" suspension. I'll be a grown man by then. Although there's no comma after 24, so I don't know, maybe the 2018 doesn't signify the year, but it's really confusing...Oyyy, MLW censorship sucks.

What about JAPW? And what does IIRC stand for, since it's been bugging me for awhile?

Yeah, but then what about Jamal? He's on RAW or HeAT every week, yet is booked for WXW's (Afa's promotion) upcoming show, which has a weekly TV show. I don't know for sure, but I imagine they'd be airing his match, and even if they didn't, he's still wrestling on their show, despite having a regular role on WWE TV. And Batista worked a show awhile back for what may've been WXW or may've been another promotion...I forget, but he worked a non-OVW indy match shortly after joining WWE. The mystery deepens, LOL

Someone should be able to answer this, because it's sure as hell confusing me. Maybe Barnett, since he's a lawyer. Whoever, though, feel free to enlighten me, as I'm confused how - according to 3PW's latest PR, Stevie Richards' appearance won't be on the video of their upcoming show since he's a WWE contracted wrestler, yet Al Snow, Jerry Lawler, Tommy Dreamer, etc. can appear on indy tapes from JAPW and ROH no problem. It makes like no sense, at least to me...

Holy crap...I'm surprised nobody has thought of that as a dream match yet. That match would have the potential to be absolutely INCREDIBLE. Awesome idea.

You know it's the UPW Ruckus, not CZW's black flippidy floppidy on the shizzledy schloscippy Claude Maurrow dude, right? I don't know what you're talking about when you say Spanky/Ki/Kazarian likely won't be phenomenal. That's like a dream match, and in Japan I imagine they'll go all out. That match alone sounds fantastic. And although it also sounds excellent, Emblem vs. Ki/Kazarian makes no sense, since Ki and Kazarian are facing each other just one night later...The match SO lacks logic.

I read the first few matches. I will read the rest later before I go too bed. Isnt Sabians finisher the 450 splash and Shun's the Senton. I have seen 2 of his matches and he won both with the senton. I try to keep a list of wrestler finishing/signature moves and stuff, and I refer to that for my cards. You're prolly right...I likely just mixed the two up. Yeah, I'll keep posting my cards here. Can't guarantee how often. I'll prolly do one for the CZW anniversary show in February. I have a lot of other misc. themed cards I'm working on - i.e. best of the US indies (I invented some cool PBP-esque reversals for Trent Acid vs. Kaos, and Fleisch vs. Teddy Hart vs. Red), Japan vs. the World, ROH vs. So-Cal, and one on the upcoming 2nd anniv. ROH show. That one should prolly be up in a few weeks. It definitely won't be quite as indepth as this one, but it'll still be really detailed. Homicide/Raven vs. Corino/Punk Dream Partner Tag Match, baby! That's one of the matches I have booked. I may also do a Best of the 5 Years of CZW, which would be diff. than the anniv. one, as it wouldn't really go with storylines, and would just be like a big fantasy card featuring their past and present guys against each other in interesting matches. It really all depends on how much free time I can find, and that doesn't come in big periods, really. I was thinking of bringing Pain back on my fantasy card for COD5 (posted a few weeks ago). I haven't seen most of the original H8 Club's matches (I'm assuming by original you mean Pain/WBeater, right? Or were they the Big Dealz...I forget, really), and WBeater isn't really much of a wrestler, so it'd be kinda hard to book a PBP thing with him, but Pain's a great wrestler, so I could definitely do stuff with him. I'd definitely feature both if I do the Best of CZW's 5 Years I mentioned above. Thanks...I got your PM also praising them, but never got around to replying, so thanks for both compliments.

Chad Collyer bolted for Japan without telling ROH. I don't think he meant Collyer worked for XPW, he meant that anyone seeking work in XPW was promptly fired due to the Philly Indy Wars. I may be wrong, but I don't remember hearing Collyer contacting XPW. I think the guy above is right, that he went to Japan without telling ROH...but I may be wrong, I don't know. I know Justice Pain, Boogalu, and a few others were the guys to first contact XPW, as opposed to XPW, but I don't know about Collyer.

Spanky replaced someone who dropped off the card. I forget who.

Go to VivaLaLuchaLibre.net. The site's not updated anymore, but it's very good in terms of acquainting you to the stars of lucha and giving you a good gist of what to look for. Be sure to surf around the entire site for awhile, because they have some really good articles and stuff. For AAA, watch out for the guy formerly known as Essa Rios. Believe it or not, he uses the old DX theme music, which rules. Great high flyer. In CMLL, it's all about the Guerreros. But check out VivaLaLuchaLibre.net. Highly recommended. And Ricky Marvin can move like Rey Jr. Marvin is excellent. Same with Essa Rios (Papi Chulo now). And also the Havana Pitbulls, who now work MLW, work CMLL sometimes, so you'll occasionally catch them on Galavision. But in both AAA and CMLL, you'd be surprised - even the big guys can do a lot of stuff. I've watched shit and got pissed that I didn't tape some matches, expecting them to suck becuz the guys were big, only for them to pull of some impressive moves.

I hate to go on a rant here, but you don't know the guy. It very well may be just an act, trying to act nice, but on the MLW board, he was as cordial as could be. I posted a photo of the one of the Samoan family members asking which one it was, and he told me no problem, and even wished me a happy holiday and told me to call him Court, instead of Mr. Bauer. Again, he may just want to act all nice to make MLW look fan friendly, and that very well may be the case, but you don't know if he's a moron until you met him. From what I've heard, Corino praises Bauer in his most recent RF shoot. That very well may be b/c he's getting paid by him and is his champ, but still...Bauer seems like a nice guy. It's like Rob Black...everyone bitches about him, but everyone who's met him say he's nice as can be, and once you get past the fact that his image is intimidating, he's a really cool guy who just so happens to have sick ass hobbies as a second job. I guess I'll find out tomorrow, since I'm planning on calling Kevin Kleinrock at the offices to see if Black will contribute to my XPW retrospective, but from all indications, Black, Bauer, and a lot of other promoters sound pretty cool, and just get a lot of shit. I know I just focused on that one phrase you said, but it ticked me off when I read it.

Abyss made a surprise return to NWA Wildside last night. His mission: to destroy Onyx. The former NWA Wildside Heavyweight Champion, aka Prince Justice, made his presence known when he entered the ring following another successful title defense by Onyx. Abyss left the reigning NWA Wildside Heavyweight champion laying and reunited with the evil forces of Attorney Jeff G. Bailey. The Abyss/Onyx confrontation was the high point of a generally average taping that featured short matches without any major storyline developments. The crowd on 90 was not one of the more responsive groups to frequent the NWA Arena. The heat picked up some in the second half, but never really caught fire. (1) Angel Dust & Seth Delay beat Fast Eddie & Salvatore Rinauro in 11:45. Dan "The Dragon" Wilson introduced his favorite official, Andrew Thomas, as a "Dutch oven licker." Eddie gets more arrogant each time out. This started out as singles match between Dust and Eddie, with Rinauro in his meal ticket's corner. Dust was looking good with his lucha styles offense. Eddie was in trouble, so Rinauro jumped in and Thomas declared that it was a tag match. But Dust had a tag team partner of his own. Eddie and Sal started having trouble getting along. They did this tripped out four way spot that ended up with Rinauro having Eddie in an Indian deathlock. Delay hit a picture perfect tope con giro. Rinauro stepped through the ropes to avoid Dust's charge and hit a springboard lariat. Eddie got heat on Dust. Dust came back with a DVD on Rinauro. Delay was on fire off the hot tag. Delay hit the Kool Krusher on Eddie and Rinauro saved. Rinauro hit the Phoenix Fury Legdrop but the ref said he wasn't the legal man. Dust hit a springboard somersault ace crusher on Sal. Eddie dropped Dust on his head with that wild variation of a russian legsweep he's using. Delay caught Eddie with the Overnite Sensation for the pin. Dust tried to give the Junior belt to Delay. Thomas grabbed the belt out of Dust's hands and handed it to Eddie. Thomas ruled that the title was not on the line because it was a tag match. Delay showed a lot of class putting Dust over in the postmatch. A fun opener. (2) Altar Boy Luke & Gabriel beat Jay Fury & Nick Halen in 6 minutes. This was a showcase for Luke and Gabriel's offense. Fury kept his flashy stuff on the down low. Face vs. face so it lacked heat. The God Squad took it Halen early. Gabriel did the top rope double stomp to Halen's back. Luke and Gabriel obliterated Halen with a sequence of stereo ninja moves. Halen did a leg lariat and made a much needed tag. Gabriel and Fury had an awesome exchange that popped the crowd. Luke used a DVD to set up the Halo on Halen. Fury made the save. Luke hit the Holy Driver on Fury and Halen saved with a stiff shot. Gabriel destroyed Halen with From The Cradle To The Grave, but the ref said he wasn't legal. It must be law and order night. Luke hit a guillotine legdrop for the pin. (3) Ray Gordy beat Jeff Lewis in 5:36. Crowd was dead for the intros. There was Jacey North sitting in the first row, still suffering the humiliating consquences of the Loser Becomes a Fan match. Lewis tried to ground Gordy with his mat skills. Gordy escaped and came roaring back with a vengeance. Gordy did his spinning fisherman suplex for a near fall. Lewis used a sloppy counter to regain the advantage. Lewis sold an enzuigiri by falling on his face ala Flair. Gordy hit a senton bomb and covered, but Lewis got a foot on the ropes. Gordy said one more time. Lewis knocked the ref into the ropes to crotch Gordy. Lewis mocked North with the Iconoclasm. A man in a gold mask wearing a familiar "Magnum Condoms" t-shirt appeared at ringside. Lewis whined that it was North under the hood. Meanwhile, Gordy recovered and and surprised Lewis with a bridging german suplex for the pin. It took Lewis a few minutes to gather his wits about him (not an easy task). The masked man had disappeared and there was North, taunting Lewis from the seating area. Bailey entered the ring accompanied by the NWA Elite. Azrael was wearing a "Hail Satan" t-shirt. Bailey said the new year meant new goals and bigger accomplishments. Bailey welcomed "pro wrestling's most spectacular athlete," Jason Cross back to the Elite. Bailey said Onyx was walking around with Elite property. Bailey made a solemn oath to solve the Onyx problem in '04. Bailey vowed that it would be Onyx's last year as a pro wrestler and said the same thing would be true for Caprice Coleman. Bailey said they were going to disfigure Coleman's pretty face. "You're going to be uglier than Kelly Osbourne and that's ugly." Bailey claimed he would prove to Gabriel that his so-called friends were deceivers and users, and bring Gabriel back to the Elite where he belonged. In closing, Bailey said the Elite were the most vulgar display since the outlawing of public hangings. (4) The NWA Elite (Rainman & Jason Cross & Azrael & Mikal Adryan with Jeff G. Bailey) beat Drew the Don & Apollo & Nick Rampage & Skeeter Frost in 8:22. This match had problems in the cooperation department. It was supposed to be almost 100% squash but some of the jobbers had other ideas. Adryan wound up selling, and he's the last member of the Elite that should have been put in that position. The Elite started getting stiff to make sure there was no misunderstanding. Cross dropped an elbow from the apron on Rampage. The impact made a sick thud. The Elite made Frost pay for an insolent slap. Rainman gave the Busta Rhymes looking dude (Apollo?) an ass whipping and refused to make the pin. Apollo finally got a chance to tag, but the Elite pulled his teammates of the apron and beat the hell out of them. Cross hit his brainbuster. Azrael spiked Apollo with a Michinoku driver. Cross ended it with the Shooting Star Legdrop. Adryan gave Apollo a postmatch Assisted Suicide for good measure. (5) Texas Death Club (Todd Sexton & Masada) beat Carolina Connection (Jeremy V & Brandon P) to retain the NWA Wildside tag titles in 7:55. This was a really good match until the finish. They pulled off a lot of intricate spots that were built on their previous encounters. TDC tried a Pearl Harbor job, but CC returned fire, hurling the heels into a bigtime collision. V hit the VDT on Sexton and Masada pulled his partner out to regroup. Masada and P pulled off a swank sequence of moves, wherein Masada did an impressive moonsault to his feet only to get nailed by P's springboard leg lariat. Sexton's interference set up a powerslam by Masada. P took the heat. Masada did a sick double stomp on P's back while the poor guy's head was resting on the bottom turnbuckle. TDC pulled out their combo move of the week, a Masada backbreaker/Sexton bombs away kneedrop. P suplexed Masada into the buckles to set up the hot tag. It looked like Masada hurt is ankle there. V cleaned house. BIG double backdrop on Masada. Double superplex on Sexton. CC went for a new combo finisher, a missile dropkick/powerbomb deal, but Masada broke up the pin. CC blocked a Masadamizer and a Sexton superkick. A double dropkick sent Masada through the ropes. Sexton rolled away from P's top rope elbow. It looked like V was supposed to hit the 450 but it was botched. V covered anyway and Masada pulled ref Speedy Nelson out. Urban Assault Squad (Shadow Jackson and Nemesis) showed up to give V the beatdown. Sexton pinned V using an O'Connor roll with an assist from Masada. (6) Jenny Taylor beat Special K (Krissy Vaine) in 4:22. For aesthetics, this was the best women's match I've seen in Wildside. Taylor and K are North Carolina-based workers that recently appeared on the NACW television show. The women in OVW have nothing on them in the looks department. And the wrestling wasn't all that bad either. K couldn't hang wih Taylor and bailed. Taylor reached for K's hair, but K snapped her throat on the top rope to take over. Taylor did a nice Gibson roll hope spot. K cut Taylor off with a lariat. K stood on Taylor's hair and pulled on her arms. K thought she had Taylor beaten with a backbreaker and complained to the ref. Taylor surprised K with a schoolgirl roll up. (7) Tank & Iceberg beat The Dobbins Brothers (Chad & Jason with Al Getz) via DQ in 4:45. This was OK for a short four-way brawl. You won't see to many matches where Tank is the smallest guy. Iceberg hit a corner clothesline on Chad and rammed him with a series of shoulder blocks. A couple of minutes in, and it was already time to break out the oxygen tank for Chad. Chad choked Tank with an extension cord. Tank went for a nut shot and nailed Chad with a Yakuza kick. Iceberg hit a stacked corner splash that felled both Dobbins Brothers. That's a lot of beef, folks. The finish saw Al Getz distract ref Mike Posey, allowing Bulldog Raines to clock Tank with a chain. That brought Ray Gordy to ringside. Gordy stooged off the interference to Posey, who reversed the decision. More brawling and the faces cleared the ring. Tank said "the son of a legend" had joined forces with them. Tank challenged to Getz Enterprises to a six-man match. "Before it's all over, all of y'all will be licking our balls." (8) Caprice Coleman beat Don Juan to retain the NWA World TV Title in 5:37. Juan's physique has shriveled since his last appearance in Wildside. Coleman pretty much squashed him. Coleman's offense looked good. Juan's selling did not. Coleman worked on Juan's knee and forced him to tap out with a modified stump puller. Juan tried to get some postmatch revenge and Coleman smoked him with the Comatoser. Azrael hit the ring on Coleman, with Bailey bringing up the rear. Azrael hit a killer move, the Ted Bundy (vertical suplex into a uranage) on Coleman. Gabriel and Luke made the save. (9) Murder One beat Urban Assault Squad (Shadow Jackson & Nemesis) via DQ in 6:08. This got as much heat as anything on the show. This was scheduled as a tag match, but Slim J couldn't work because he cut off the end of one of his fingers in an accident (they sowed it back on and he's going to be OK). M1 was more than holding his own against UAS, until he tried going to the top rope. Jackson grabbed M1's leg and M1 took a Flair flip bump off the top. M1 demonstrated how to take a lariat like a man. M1 ducked Jackson's lariat but not the one from Nemesis. M1 dug down deep for a comeback. UAS took the crowd out of it with a messed up combo move. M1 got them back by cold cocking Nemesis with the Blazin' Lariat. M1 had Jackson pinned, when Nemesis dumped the ref for the DQ. UAS hit their finisher on M1. P and V came out to make the save. (10) Onyx beat Rudy Boy Gonzalez to retain the NWA Wildside Heavyweight Title in 6:09. Nothing wrong with the match except the heat. Gonzalez started out with some vicious knees. The champion battled back. An Onyx dropkick couldn't put Gonzalez down, but a vertical suplex did the trick. Onyx locked in a full nelson and Gonzalez was forced to go to the ropes. Rudy Boy went flying like he had slipped on banana peel on a legsweep. Gonzalez got down in the gutter. He went for a cheap shot on the break and spit in Onyx's eyes. They battled on the outside, with Onyx getting the best of it. Back inside, Onyx tried for his finisher, but Gonzalez blocked it and hit a superkick for a near fall. Gonzalez missed with a Vader Bomb. Onyx seized the opportunity and hit the Blackout (spinning implant DDT) finisher for the win. As Onyx began to celebrate another successful title defense, Abyss made a surprise appearance to confront the champion. They stood toe-to-toe, which really accented the incredible size disparity between them. Abyss tried for the choke bomb, but Onyx blocked it. Onyx was not so lucky on the Black Hole. Abyss wound that sucker up full force. Out came Jeff G. Bailey for a joyous reunion with his all-time favorite monster. Abyss hit a sitout backbreaker that left the champion in a crumpled heap. There were referees and security guys all over the place trying to restore order. Abyss wasn't done. He destroyed one of the security guys with a devastating sitout backbreaker. A match between Onyx and Abyss was announced for the next taping on 2/7. NOTES: Hardcore Hell '04 was announced as another two night extravaganza to be held on March 26 and 27…Members of the Wildside crew will be appearing at shows on 3/12 in Douglasville at the National Guard Armory and 3/19 in Woodstock at the Recreation Center…Fright Night '03 is now available on DVD, making it Wildside's first DVD release. CREDIT: Larry f'n Goodman and NWA-Wildside.com

http://www.wrestling-news.com/artman/publi...icle_1880.shtml Interesting... On a side note...it sounds like someone likes Becky Bayless even more than myself... http://www.wrestling-news.com/Forums/showt...hp?threadid=448

Credit to the Observer and NWA-FL's Joe Price for this info: On January 28th, Former NWA World Jr. Heavyweight & FL Junior Heavyweight Champion Lex Lovett will be making his debut appearance on NWA TNA Explosion, Lex was also recently seen on Raw in the role of a security guard and worked in World Japan Wrestling as Lex Meyer. Lex is an incredible talent that has had great success recently in NWA Florida, and a recent tour of China with NWA Mid Atlantic. Lex is a former IPW World Champion, the former Junior Heavweight has shed that persona and is jacked and on track to capturing some heavyweight singles gold! Also NWA FL Referee Billy Dalton will be reffing a match at TNA Explosion Shortly, to be followed by NWA FL's Richie Rich! Expect more and more NWA Florida talent to be visiting TNA in the next few weeks...TNA knows where to go in the Sunshine State when they are looking for "talent" The Premiere Wrestling Promotion in the state... NWA Florida.

http://www.jtmindyshows.vze.com 's Pittsburgh Feds section is where your answer lies...

When will this guy ever learn? First Cornette, then Heyman, then Grimes, then the Jarretts, now the Dudleyz. Faggot. Leave wrestling while you still can, New Jack. The show looks a lot better than the first. Good to see my boys, AMIL and Grim Reefer getting work. Some talented and really underrated motherfuckers right there. The reviews were definitely better than the first night, but a lot of people are saying that it was still lackluster. One long-time fan called IT the worst CZW show they've ever seen. The main complaint seems to be its length. Sounds like a good show overall, just way overbooked, with some highpoints and some lowpoints. And DeVito and Justin Credible? WTF?

As you can see from my sig, I have an article coming in a few days that I'll be posting here, about 3PW. Keep an eye out for that. The guy above did a pretty good job explaining the gist of things. IWA-MS is ran by former-ECW'er Ian Rotten and run in hick towns in Indiana and draw horribly, but produce some of the best hardcore wrestling and best mat wrestling in the nation. They've used throughout their existence (they started in I think '97) Sabu, 2 Cold Scorpio, Big Dick Dudley, Jerry Lynn (their current champ), Balls Mahoney, Axl Rotten, The Sandman, Balls Mahoney, Spike Dudley, Corino, Blue Meanie, and others. They hold highly acclaimed technical wrestling tournaments and death match tournaments on a yearly basis. IWAMidSouthWrestling.com, SmartMarkVideo.com CZW was formed out of John Zandig's backyard, pretty much. He was a wrestler and made CZW so that he could put the guys he trained onto shows and give them a crowd to work in front of. They're known for the hardcore shit, but have a lot of other relatively good stuff, if you pick the right shows. Tommy Dreamer, Balls Mahoney, Jerry Lynn, and Kronus have worked for them. CZWWrestling.com, SmartMarkVideo.com Wildside was formed through a merger of NWA territory and NCW in like 2000. It brought Ron "The Truth/K-Kwik" Killings, David Young, Rick Michaels, Jimmy Rave, Slim J, and AJ Styles - among others - to the forefront of indy wrestling. They've used The Hurricane, Shannon Moore, Jeff Hardy, and others. They have some of the best cruiserweight and technical wrestling you'll find. NWA-Wildside.com Ring of Honor has the best technical wrestling in the United States, period. ROHWrestling.com, RFVideo.com Xtreme Pro Wrestling (XPW) was formed in 1999 by Rob Black, a pornographer. He was friends with a lot of ECW wrestlers, so he was able to bring in Sabu, Kronus, Abdullah the Butcher, New Jack, Vic Grimes, Shane Douglas, Chris Candido, and others. XPW recently went out of business. If you pick the right stuff, there's definitely some good stuff out there. A lot of people hate it, but for the most part, that's because of who owns it. It's very controversial, but a lot of the shit it gets isn't deserved, and a lot of it is. I'm doing a major feature about it's history in the next few months. Everything you ever wanted to know. Stay tuned. XPWrestling.com, WrestlingSuperstore.com PWG is ran by a bunch of So-Cal workers. Go to ProWrestlingGuerrilla.com or SmartMarkVideo.com.

Let's be realistic here...when a show sucks, it sucks, and this definitely sounds like a sucky show. The reports from CZWFans.com were decent from the longtime CZW fans, horrible from a first-time attendee, and the worst wrestling show another, relatively long-time CZW fan, has ever been to, period. Jeff Strauch and BarrMark said the show was decent, but they're two of the biggest CZW fans of all. Most others said it was pretty bad, and judging by the results...I tend to agree. The joshi match sounds awesome, Rave/Ruckus sounds good but was said to be subpar, and Sonjay/Frazier was said to be decent. BSB was said to be a clusterfuck with some good comedy. The Storm match was said to be good, but come on...as of late CZW has been pretty good, but this...this show sounds WAY subpar to their usual product. Give em credit when they deserve it, give em shit when they put on shit. This sounded like below average and borderline crap.

Holy crap.. So, I'm surfing through SMV's catalog and I find the 5/24/03 show that happens to have Hamrick vs. Punk...I had no idea these guys ever wrestled. This was one of my indy dream matches. The guys have the perfect personas to compliment each other, along with styles that I think would go together quite well. But damn...I had no idea they ever worked each other. For anyone who's seen the match and/or show, is it any good? Am I the only one who likes the sound of such a match? Is the show as a whole any good? The card looks pretty solid...Jacobs/Shelley 30 Min. Ironman...Hero/Steel...frikkin' Hido...and Whitmer/Dubb - STRONG STYLE! So, is the match and/or show good, out of curiosity? And am I the only one who had no idea that match ever happened?