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There is no reasoning with this kid. Remember, if you disagree with Jon Barber, YOU ARE WRONG. You're one wierd dude.

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I've been waiting all day to read this, since I've been sick and therefore out of school. I've read PWInsider's report, TheDDT.com's, and others, and I must say yours is Da Best there is on the net, narrowly beating out the Daniels dude on 411mania.com/wrestling. Keep up the great work, and thanks for getting such a detailed report up less than 24 hours after the show.

No, man, not much argument there, really. Two weeks ago, I would've said I'm being harsh. However, check out my post about the Rob Black interview in the Love, Sex, & Dating Forum and how Dusk flamed me for no apparent reason. I thought that was pretty harsh, and he didn't chill after I asked him to.

I've read it, and find it funny. You can never satisfy some people, including yourself. You've flamed me countless times for no reason, and your making your first post in this thread in order to put me down solidifies that fact. I had NO problem with you WHATSOEVER, until you started repeatedly flaming me for no apparent reason. It's wierd, because no matter how much effort I put into CZDub.com, how much I defend CZW on the ROH board, and how much I plug CZW in Meltzer's online update (look no further than two days ago for the most recent example), CZW fans still hate me. And it's not just wierd...it's unfortunate, that people have to be so ignorant as to not be able to look at someone and realize that they've changed. Highrollar told me he talked to Zandig and that Zandig told him that. Live with it. Blame Highrollar if you want to blame anybody. OMG!?!?!?! I MADE SOME MISTAKES?!??!! OMG! PAIN'S PROMO WAS INCLUDED ON THE TAPE AND I SAID IT WASN'T! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!?!?!?!!! AHHHH!!!!! JEFF ROCKER OWNS DCW AND NOT MIDDKNIGHT?!?!!! (actually, MiddKnight coowns it, to the CZWFans faggots; I was right in the first place) As I said, you can never satisfy some people. Well, I guess the fact that my next article is entitled "Adam Flash's upcoming NWA World Heavyweight Title match vs. Jeff Jarrett well deserved for 12-year veteran" means that I hate CZW, right? Zack, thanks for politely criticizing the piece. More people need to learn to be like you and be able to voice their disagreement politely. That's the point of it. I've done nothing Bob Magee, Mike Johnson, Dave Meltzer, whoever doesn't do, and I'm not comparing myself to them either. However, like them, I took a topic and pointed out the flaws in it. Realize this - I could've blindly bashed Zandig. I didn't. First of all, I tried to contact him to comment on the issue. Secondly, I quoted Hamrick and others. I didn't go on my own words. The above piece is twice as accurate and unbias as anything Magee has written about XPW, or Bob Barnett about NWA-TNA.

Webb's first match back in a year was with Juantastico vs. The Stepfamily at PCW UltraKlash. I asked him if he knew Gabe (Juantastico) from Slammers, since he trained there, but as I expected, he said he missed Gabe by a few months. Webb left for SCCW with D, Kleinrock, Hernandez, Jimmy, Steele, etc., and that Carlito was the only one who stayed behind, so he was the one who trained Angel and Juantastico, both of whom he says he therefore first met in XPW, not in Slammers. One of the most interesting parts of the interview was Webb's insight about the changes he saw upon returning. He referenced to how XPW would run shows in front of drunk old men who would throw drinks or pennies at you, and that when he returned, the crowds had wisened up. No longer did they boo good wrestling; he said that Dynamite D would be having a great wrestling match in XPW with someone and would be booed like mad, since the fans all wanted blood. Now, the fams respect good wrestling and have learned to appreciate such a thing. I asked him if Aaron Proctor, PCW's owner, called him up about returning, or if Webb made the contact. He said no - he got hooked up with the PCW spot by Mace, PCW's booker. Mace worked as Kaos 1 in SCCW, and that he knew him from there, so he called him up and Mace got him the spot on the PCW show. He trained at the Rev. Pro dojo a lot in order to get off the ring rust that he had. Like I said, his insight about the changes in the fans was very interesting. Before I forget...Webb talked about his "Elvis" gimmick that he adopted once he won the XPW title. He said that the Elvis gimmick was only supposed to be for one show, but it stuck. He used it for several months, although it eventually got boring and he dropped it. He says that he came up with the White Trash gimmick and the Elvis gimmick, and that like anything, both eventually got boring, so he dumped them. Now, he has a new gimmick. He also says that now, he tries to work when shows when he can, and that it's a lot easier than it once was. He doesn't have to commute like he did for Slammers and the fans respect what the wrestlers do, now. His initial impressions on Viking Hall - like so many others, he thought it was a dump, but said that a lot of old ECW fans saw it as more than that. He mentioned how the building has featured many tables be broken and something about a pile of tables that I didn't really understand. Also, Webb confirmed what others have said - most of the late 2001 and early 2002 XPW shows were booked on a fly. He would get to the arena and so would everyone else and they'd be told what they'd be doing that night. Also before I forget...Webb first met a lot of the Revolution Pro guys he knows now when he was in the IWF back in '98/'99. I hope to talk to Webb again, although nothing's set in stone. Post questions you want me to ask him if that happens. A more formalized recap of this interview will be posted soon. This and SO much more will all be revealed later this year, when the biggest retrospective on any indy promotion in US history will be featured...The Roots, The Formation, The Rise, and The Fall of Xtreme Pro Wrestling. Featuring contributions from GQ Money, Johnny Webb, Verne Langdon, Chris Hamrick, Mike Modest, Josh Prohibition, M-Dogg 20, and others. Others I'm in the process of contacting to see if they'll contribute are JR Benson, Vic Grimes, Rob Black, Kevin Kleinrock, Danny Doring, Simon Diamond, and more. Coming soon...part 3 of my interview with GQ Money, exclusive never before seen photos of Kaos, Messiah, Angel, Webb, Jimmy, and others, and so much more, as the fifth anniversary of XPW's debut show approaches. You'll learn shit you never knew happened. I thank Webb for his time, and for bearing with my disorganization that was quite evident during the interview...LOL. To keep up with Webb's wrestling endeavors, visit SoCalUncensored.com.

At the next show, Scene of the Crime, he worked Pogo the Clown, although it was just a short schmoz, with the purpose of having TOOL's manager, Luis Cypher, kidnap Jessica Darlin, and then Webb chased them backstage. Redemption: Kaos vs. Webb. Deathmatch. Webb said he would've liked to have had more time for the match, but that it was still fun. Then comes the complicated part...Damage Inc. Webb says that it was no secret that Messiah and Rob Black didn't get along. They just got to a point where they didn't like each other. He seemed to hesitantly imply a reference to Messiah fucking Lizzy Borden, but I may've just inferred that out of curiosity. At the show, Webb dressed like Black and ran out during the tag match with Black, Sabu, and Lazie. He said that the plan was for him to do the same thing, but with the match featuring Messiah. When Billy left, though, they kept the same booking philosophy and Webb ran out and won the title from Sabu. He didn't really agree with GQ Money's statement that everyone was scrambling the morning of the show to get a video done about Messiah going to heaven, since they knew he had left XPW. Webb says that they knew he left and that they had sufficient time to prepare the video. Webb reminds me that during this time, his knee injury was fucking killing him, an that every single match was a battle. He worked with Sandman and Vampiro the next couple of shows, and said they were cool guys, but didn't go into it more than that, like he tended to do a lot of the time when asked about specific guys. He worked with GQ Money at Free Fall, and said that the match was short and meant to be a joke, and with the Scaffold match later on, nobody gave two shits about the match. At Genocide came the infamous Wargames cage match. He agreed with GQ, saying the match really was unsafe. The cage was terribly built, and when he went to grab Kaos, who was climbing on its ceiling, he ended up breaking a bunch of the cage ceiling. He says that for GQ and Angel, it must've been even scarier, since they were on the fuckin top of the cage and took SICK bumps off of the top of it. He emphathizes how badly built the cage was. I forgot to mention how much Webb loved the match with Nosawa. He says he still puts the tape in every now and then and likes the match. He said that at the moment he were talking, he couldn't think of a match he liked more than it. It was probably his favorite match he's ever been in. His second favorite match was vs. Terry Funk at LOD. He puts over Funk repeatedly, saying that "what you see is what you get." Funk treats everybody the same; it doesn't matter if you're a jobber or a main eventer. He's as nice and as real as they come. He said that he loved the match he had with the Funkster, and best of all, his knee - which had been fucking killing him for the last several months - gave him absolutely no pain in the match, which was a welcomed relief. He said it was an honor to work with Funk and that he treated him very well. He calls the match a "miracle day" because the knee injury didn't bother him, which he had feared it would His last match in XPW was vs. Shane Douglas. He said Douglas winning the title was a long time in the works. Even during Douglas' first run in XPW in 2000, Rob Black wanted to eventually build to him winning the title. Before I forget - I asked him if he was asked to go to Japan for FMW, or if it was only Pogo, Supreme, and Jimmy who were asked. He said he got asked to do many things for XPW, including working the Gathering of the Juggalos 2001, to which he turned down and gave his spot to Kaos. After his match with Douglas, he got knee surgery, which he badly needed because his knee was horrible, even though it didn't bother him during his match vs. Funk. "They cut off a piece of my hamstring" and he therefore now was one old knee and one new knee (the new one being the one he got the surgery on). He hasn't had any problems with the knee since, but when it was hurting him back in '01 and '02, it was REALLY hurting him. Little known fact: Webb attended virtually all of the Viking Hall shows. He made it a point to emphathize that everything you saw on XPW TV - whether it was in 2000 or 2002 - was his work, and I can testify that other workers have also said that that's true. He sat in the production truck all night sometimes, just to edit the video. He said that his last show was the NYR 3 doubleshot, and that it was because of the overwhelming hard work his out of the ring job of editing XPW video entailed that he finally had to leave XPW...that, and he and Rob Black didn't get along. He says that a lot of people didn't get along with Rob, but that by NYR, they just couldn't work with each other anymore, and that's why they parted ways. He said that he was incredibly grateful for the opportunities Rob gave him, however. Coming in the next few minutes - returning to wrestling...

Webb said he enjoyed his series of matches with The Messiah. Regarding his role in the first KOTDM tournament, he said he had worked death matches before and was relatively accustomed to the hardcore stuff, although he did provide some interesting insight about thumb tacks later in the interview, which I'll soon describe. Webb also worked with John Kronus several times. He said that Kronus had "big balls" and personified "craziness." He enjoyed working with him. Webb talked about working with porno star Jessica Darlin. He mentioned that she was nice, but that she really wasn't cut out for wrestling. She was always nervous and really seemed to be - as he put it - "thrust into a new world" very suddenly. She was therefore quite shy. He was very happy that his XPW TV segments with her came out as hilarious as they did, but said that while she was nice, wrestling just wasn't her thing. Then came HeatWave... This part of the interview was especially interesting. Webb was at the show. He says that ECW "was expecting us." They flew out Viking Hall's Atlas Security, which - as so many have failed to point out - they didn't have to do...they could've just used the GOA security, but they didn't. Webb says that ECW had a plan going in. He said he had a front row seat with Messiah, Kaos, and others, but that Kris Kloss desparately wanted a front row seat, so he gave up the seat and Kloss said he'd let him sit there later in the night, but never got the chance to offer it up because the incident happened so quickly. He sat several rows up next to Chronic of the Westside NGZ and some others, and remembers that right before the altercation began, he was going to go down to the front row and ask Kloss for his seat back. A security member, though, was right behind him and told him not to even think about getting out of his seat. Once the altercation began, he remembers that he ran outside and found out that Kaos and Messiah had already left, having been whisked away in the limo right when inklings of fighting began to show. He remembers that he ended up outside and cites that several ECW guys grabbed XPW ring crew members and were throwing them up against fences. In an interesting tidbit, he remembers seeing New Jack for the first time standing outside on crutches. He mentions that that was his first runin with New Jack, and there were no problems. He said he didn't remember Jack using the crutches to beat on anyone, as the Original Gangsta later bragged in interviews, but just remembers how the two looked at each other, and made a point that it was his first runin with New Jack, like I said. Fuck, I wish this goddamn tape recorder had worked. Go Funk Yourself was about a week later. He said that Homeless Jimmy was supposed to do a complete back flip and take the Spider German Suplex by going chest first through the table, but that he didn't complete the flip. Webb said he never was concerned about Jimmy and knew he was alright, because "if you knew Jimmy like I did," you knew nothing could hurt him. Webb talked about Terry Funk later in the interview. Funk worked Sabu at GFY. Webb compares Funk's match with Sabu vs. his match with Shane Douglas at Hostile Takeover. He says that at GFY, there was a ton of cameraman backstage to film the guys as they came backstage (none of that footage is on the tape), and remembers that Funk always stayed in camera when he saw such things. He says that Sabu was probably used to having cameras on him a lot, but that Douglas probably wasn't (I know this is confusing). He says that at HTO, there were also a lot of cameras backstage and made it a point to emphathize that this is ONLY HIS opinion, and JUST an opinion...but that he thinks that Douglas may've been overwhelmed by all of the cameras being pointed right in his face when he came backstage and that that's why he and Funk had the altercation. Funk was used to cameras in his face, like Webb mentioned, but he doesn't think Douglas was, but again emphathized that that was only his opinion. He says that Webb and Douglas argued and then started going at it in a "pull apart" brawl, and the wrestlers and crew had to break them up. Back to 2000...actually, that's about it for '00. Onto '01... I really enjoyed his insight about the second KOTDM. In the first round, he worked Nosawa, and said the match ame off really well. This part was very interesting. He said he didn't speak Japanese but that he did speak Spanish, and so did Nosawa, so before the match they were talking in "broken Spanish" and using that to put the match together, since that was their only language commonality. He says the match was very good, and when I asked him about whether he thought it was hard to work with non-American talent or if he thought wrestling was a universal languag, he seemed to pick the latter. He explained that regardless of who you're working with, you're gonna go out there and put a match together, whether it be by laying it out beforehand or improbbing the whole thing. He says you'll figure out a way to "mime your intentions," regardless of what nationality your opponent is. In the tourney's second round, he worked Supreme, who was at the time working an anti-hardcore gimmick. He says that he took an incredibly sick bump in that match, where he got Super Huracarana'd into a pile of thumb tacks. He explains that when you're working with tacks, you don't just fall ONTO them, you fuckin "Slide" over them, and so it's an especially unfavorable experience. I ask him about his match with Nosawa's partner, Kikuzawa, at the show following the KOTDM, and he explains that Nosawa was the one who communicated between the two (the match has yet to see the light of day, although it's said to be decent). He communicated what each was saying they wanted to do before the match and they then went out and used what Nosawa told them, pretty much.

Will explain later. Gotta spew out what he said or else I'll forget it all. After SCCW, Webb jumped to the UIWA, and Dan Hanson came along with him, as did Damien Steele, the Crusher/the Skullcrusher (Homeless Jimmy; he also worked in SCCW), and others. Webb first met Kaos, Supreme, and others in UIWA. Webb remembers how there was a lot of heat between the UIWA and XPW, because they both got started around the same time. After working UIWA awhile, Webb jumped to the just beginning XPW, along with Kaos, Supreme, "Phenomenal" Phil Lander (who also worked for UIWA), Kleinrock, D, and Steele. Carlos Torres was one of the only few guys at Slammers who stayed loyal to Langdon and didn't jump to SCCW, so it was only at this time that he left Slammers to join XPW. Webb remembers that XPW went absolutely balls out on advertising and hyping its first show, running TV ads, flyering nearby towns, making a beautiful program and the like. He wrestled Phil on XPW's debut show, and then worked with the late, great Big Dick Dudley twice. He remembers Dudley being a very nice guy, but didn't really say anything more than that, which was a popular trend (he was very nice, and gave extensive answers for some questions and sentence long answers for others). I just realized...I fucking forgot to ask him about Missy Hyatt. God fucking damnit. Screw me. FUCK!!!!!

Webb also met Kevin Kleinrock, Patrick Hernandez, and a few other future XPW employees while working at Slammers. Webb - who seemed very down to earth, although very laid back and "casual" at the same time - put over the Slammers schedule as very strict, just like Verne. He had to commute to Bakersfield whenever he worked a show. In Slammers, Webb was very, very tight with Homeless Jimmy and Damien Steele and looking back on the relationship, he equated their friendship to a "clique" of sorts. They were very friendly. Regarding Langdon, Webb remembers that he could look at a student and know in a moment what gimmick he wanted them to portray. He gave Webb the gimmick of Pete "Spider" Malloy, and Webb played Malloy for his entire tenure at Slammers. McMillan, Kleinrock, and Hernandez - along with a couple others - eventually broke away from Slammers in '98 and formed SCCW. Webb and a bunch of other Slammers wrestlers jumped to SCCW, which Webb reminisces ran in very small venues, such as high schools and the like. Around the same time he was working SCCW, Webb also worked a few Impact Wrestling Federation shows, which is where he first met Brian Walthers a.k.a. "Dirty" Dan Hanson, who he formed a tag team called "Trailer Trash" with. I'm hoping to have Walthers contribute some of his memories of teaming with Webb for my upcoming XPW retrospective, although it's not set in stone yet. Webb also met Gary Key a.k.a. TOOL at the IWF, which he remembers he didn't stay with ALL that long, but did work several of their shows. It was in the IWF that Webb met "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels, TOOL, The Ballard Brothers, and other notables.

Just talked to Johnny Webb for about an hour. I recorded the whole thing, only to find that it didn't fucking work and the tape recorder must be broken. So, I'm doing this all from memory, and am going to post stuff as I remember it. I'll write a more formalized recap in the following days, and it'll be posted on several sites. Webb explained that he was very into karate and similar sports and that it was through those interests that he got into wrestling. He saw an ad for the Slammers Wrestling Federation training school and decided to sign up. He was trained mainly by Darren McMillan, better known as Dynamite D, but also interacted regularly with Carlos Torres a.k.a. Hombre de Oro a.k.a Carlito Montana. He also had several matches with "Iron" Mike Earhardt, Tyrone "Tiny" Little, and Jimmie Jaimes, better known respectfully as The Messiah, Cybil, and Homeless Jimmy. As all of the workers who've met him that I've talked to have supported, Verne Langdon - the owner of the SWF - was very old school. He was nothing like Rob Black. There were set dates for shows - every Thursday night (Webb only worked the shows in Bakersfield, CA) - and regardless of whether they fell on a Christmas, Thanksgiving, or other holiday, you had to go, or you'd be fired. It was when McMillan didn't come to a show on Thanksgiving that he was fired by Langdon. Next part coming in several minutes...

The topic says it all. I'm looking for archived TNA recaps with relatively indepth Play by Play. I know about this site (Dames Diatribe and Lazarush), Wrestling Observer, PWInsider, 411Mania.com/wrestling, PWTorch, and that there's a couple at Thecubsfan.com. Anyone know ahy other places? Thanks in advance.

Apparently he is. I've heard he was Dark Fuego in MLW, and USA Pro just added him to their upcoming show. Hell yeah...I can't get enough of this guy, I like him a lot more than Red and a lot of the other spot workers that get a lot of praise. He's as good if not better than them.

To clear it up...The only associations that Kevin Kleinrock has with video companies is that he works for Extreme Associates and his own company that he co-owns with Tom Byron, Evolution Erotica...I think Mike Johnson is thinking of Xtreme Entertainment Group, which distributes the XPW and backyard wrestling DVDs...Kleinrock's not associated with them. Some of his friends are, and several of the guys who promoted XPW's Philly shows are (they hooked Josh Prohibition and M-Dogg 20 up with their current deals that let them appear in BYW games and BYW videos), but Kleinrock himself isn't.

Wierd pairing? The guy that resembles Super Dragon the most in NWA FL is Scoot Andrews. He can take it too the mat and too the air. And has some pretty innovative stuff like Scoot. I'd tend to equate Dragon more with Justice or someone like that...but don't take it from me. I haven't seen much of the recent Florida indy's stuff...all I've seen of Scoot is his Northeast work, and I hear he's done some great stuff in FL, too, that shouldn't be ignored.

Angel's challenge was answered by OG Scarface and Chaos (not the XPW one), for those interested. I must say...I don't know if it's just me, but Andrews/Dragon is a really...wierd pairing...I don't know...it'll be very good, don't get me wrong, just a wierd combo of guys...but it should be cool to see.

Ya, I know. I'm well aware about Behren's role in the NWA.

For those interested...his finishers are a pumphandle facebuster and the asiatic driver, and he also uses a spinning fisherman's suplex and a tiger suplex.

Thanks...and ya, hopefully Zandig will get his act together...letting the BSB leave wasn't the best of ideas that he's had. The article, BTW, can now be find on ObsessedWithWrestling.com at http://obsessedwithwrestling.com/news/lucharesufan02.html

Credit: Larry Goodman Upcoming XPlosion dates for Wildside talent: 2/18 for Onyx; 3/3 for Todd Sexton and Terry Gordy's son, Ray Gordy Jr., who'll also be starting with MLW soon

More fans need to do that, and more often, may I add. That's what wrestling's missing. We need more Eddie/RVD Ladder Match incidents with Crash Holly lookalikes.

Let me PM you. It's gonna be an interesting part of my upcoming XPW history piece, and I don't wanna give away too much of the info. I'll PM you in two min. with the info.

Thanks. Hey Steve, any possibility of giving me another shot on thE SCU board?

Are you shitting me? Damn, that must've been an AMAZING show live, if you were in the front row. Talk about close up to the action...

I was referring to Inoki's shoot fighting promotion, not his wrestling promotion. I already stated that above. Few promotions have had rep.'s from his shoot fighting fed in attendance. But that's not even what I was really talking about...let me clarify. Rarely known fact, since XPW bullshitted so much of the results to their really early cards - XPW had fighters straight from Inoki's shoot promotion work a shoot match live at an XPW event. Very few, if any, promotions have had that special attraction.