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It had everything to do with the ROH tapes and nothing to do with the WWE tapes. I'm about 95% sure it had to do with both ROH *and* WWE tapes.

Mmmkay.... Gage is a perfectly capable wrestler, he excels at brawling, but he CAN wrestle, and wrestle well. Can you list some examples of this please? Categorizing Gage in the same category as Yamakawabea...errr...Wifebeater isn't right. Gage can wrestle pretty well. Nowhere near some of the other indy big men, i.e. Joe, Grimes, Malice (When he was alive), etc., but to categorize him as a garbage wrestler is bull. He escaped that stereotype awhile ago, IMO.

The CZW web site I think has an animation in one of its ads. At least at one point it did.

As I've stated, Steve doesn't know his XPW stuff, which is evident by the lies he stated in his articles about the company (i.e. Onita got pissed at XPW, when it was vice versa). Face it - the facts speak for themselves. He can't name a source that he's getting the info from, while I posted photographs that prove it. The pics don't lie. Basil of XPW and Bad Boy Basil are the same guy. Steve blocked me from his email, when I cited Bob Magee's contradicting his story about The SAT/HTO. That's why I rely on you to do so, since you felt the need to email him in the first place. And you have yet to give your reaction to the photos, Ace. Although I'm not to curious as to why, since it's obvious... Well, seeing as how in the first place, I stated it as a fact, your trying to suppress by certainty, acting as if it's not evident, when it fact it surely is. I know you'll just disgregard this post, Ace, because you don't want to face the music, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let you censure my credibility, which outweighs your's by a mile, specifically when it comes to XPW. I'm gonna keep it short and sweet, because the ignorance of that quote speaks for itself. First of all, your assertion that I'm a cut and paste boy not only isn't true (I'm not), but it can't possibly BE true - the articles I write are so unique that there's nothing that I could possibly cut and paste from. How do you cut and paste shit into an article on XPW's Kaos when nobody respects Kaos in the first place and there's therefore no articles about him anywhere on the net, besides mine? How do you write an article about the FWA, years before Jody Fleisch and Jonny Storm ever became big names in the U.S., and when the promotion received no coverage? You don't. You're simply falling to the public opinion and trying to criticize me for something that MAY have applied to me a year and a half ago, but most certainly doesn't anymore. Stay in the present...you're only weakening your case. Again - simply submitting to public opinion. I make this challenge to you, although I know you won't take it, because you know you're wrong - show me three instances where somebody proved me wrong on an issue I continually pursued. Any three. Hell, the reason I was banned from CZWFans was b/c I posted a quote Adam Circumstance made three weeks earlier in which he word for word contradicted what he had just wrote. Face it - you're not going to take on this challenge b/c you know you're wrong. Concede - you know nothing about XPW, nor does Steve (Although he knows more about it than you). They're the same two guys - Basil of XPW and Bad Boy Basil. And even if I did get banned from many boards - at least that happened because I stood up for my own opinions, something you won't even attempt to do, when you simply ignore this post, like you always do. You're worse than someone who gets banned from many boards - you can't even stand up for your own assertions. Pathetic.

Ace, I'm still waiting for Steve's reaction to the two photos.

Sorry to bump this, but I think a lot of people found it very useful, judging by the number of replies, so I'm thinking we should keep it going. I guess it just sunk into the depths of the board during the MLW/ROH fiasco, but hopefully that's settled down enough by now...

Haven't seen enough of them. Steve Stone is the only IWA guy I've seen all that much of. That's why I open it up to everyone else to throw their hat in the ring and let their picks be known.

It was bound to be posted sooner or later, and let's face it - with 2003 almost over, we've seen the good, the bad, and the downright ugly developments in that God damned world called "independent wrestling" that us assholes support. We've seen the rise of "The Original Playa from the Himalaya," Sonjay Dutt, a West Coast star gain East Coast prominence in B-BOY~!, a skinny teenager go from being the XPW King of the Death Match to becoming one of the most awe-inspiring high flyers on the indy circuit today in Altar Boy Luke, US-modified strong style in Jimmy Rave, Homicide, Tony Mamaluke, and others, and probably the most impressive of all - the Chris Jericho-mirroring transcension (is that a word?) of AJ Styles from a WCW cruiserweight to the absolute ***MAN***...the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. So, the question naturally develops... Which workers do you think will break out from their shell in 2004, and become a major highlight of the indy circuit? Here's my pics... Quicksilver/Scorpio Sky: lit up Rev. Pro, PWG, XPW, and LXW rings; can wrestle a variety of styles Rob Eckos, Damian Adams, and Josh Daniels: this trio is so set to break out in '04; they've been impressive in 3PW and other promotions, and their time is most certainly now Salvatore Rinauro and Kid Kool a.k.a. Seth DeLay - Wildside lightweights who - like Slim J, Deranged, Azriel, and others have done - are set to make an impact on other promotions Steve Stone - IWA-MS rookie who had a breakout match with Chris Hero recently; expect big things The Havana Pitbulls: defy gravity every time they step foot in the ring; lighting up So-Cal rings; work CMLL on a regular basis; Puma/Pinoi Boy set to debut for ROH; all four debuting in MLW Altar Boy Luke - I mentioned him above, and yes he did break out in 2003, but since he's been kept off TNA TV, the only promotion he's really worked for is Wildside. He just returned to TNA in a dark match last Wednesday, and I expect he'll be continuing to work for them; expect from him more than just a short stay in TNA, because he likely may become a mainstay in the X Divison Arik Cannon - debuted in CZW; said to have put on some great matches in IWA-MS with Chris Hero Angel - former-XPW "Hardcore Homo"; became arguably the bumper of the year with his death matches in XPW and LXW with Supreme; currently works for Rev. Pro and other So-Cal promotions, and has put on fantastic tag team matches alongside Zokre and Mr. Excitement and has wrestled great one-on-one matches with others Nick Berk/Z-Barr - debuting in the UK next year; debuted in Wildside recently, and are set to return; they're unfortunately not being paid much attention to in their home promotion, CZW, but other companies seem to be taking notice; Berk is one of the most underrated technical wrestlers on the indy circuit today. The D.R.S. - debuted in CZW recently; mainstays in JAPW and USA Pro, where they've had tremendous matches with The S.A.T.; expect more Tracy Smothers-style heel heat to be generated by them in 2004 All Money Is Legal (Kash & Kaos); not the XPW Kaos; have arguably the coolest finisher on the indy circuit; as the DOI guys will tell you, have been lighting up WXW, NYWC, etc. rings as of late; working also for LXW Grim Reefer - first guy in wrestling history ANYWHERE to use the satellite headscissors into crossface takedown that Jimmy Rave now utilizes regularly; as the DOI guys will tell you - just now getting the attention he deserves; worked for CZW, although he wasn't allowed to showcase his true skills there; has been lighting up USA Pro, NYWC, and other rings; fantastic lightweight Add to the list!

This is debatable.

And vice versa. Can't confirm or deny the story about Steele - all I can say is what was confirmed to me once by an XPW wrestler in 2002, and by another XPW wrestler a few weeks ago - that he was fired for having a problem with Rob Black. The burden of proof remains on Steve, since I've cited two sources, and he's saying it as if it's common knowledge, which it's not. I'm checking out some pics of the real Basil and the XPW one right now, and I'll return on that. EDIT: At least from the length that the XPW pic was taken, they look quite similar to me...And they've got an eerily similar hairstyle... Real Basil - XPW Basil -

Suit yourself - Steve isn't an expert on XPW, or even So-Cal. That's not to say it's not a great site - it most certainly is, and great would probably be an understatement. But at the same time, his unawareness of Basil's role in XPW shows how little he truly knows about the promotion. He's an expert on R-Pro, MPW, etc. When it comes to XPW, he lacks. The article I'll be posting in a month or so about the roots of XPW will alone have quite a task in merely disproving many of the innaccuracies that he spread as fact.

Yes, Basil was in XPW. He managed Steel on the first couple of shows. Steel also worked as Buddy West in the SWF, where Messiah, Angel, Carlito Montana, D, and several other future-XPW workers started.

IWA Mid-South News for 12.21.03 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ by Stacy McMackin, Moderator --DANIELS DEFENDS AGAINST SHELLEY, JACOBS, SABIN!! --HERO AND B-BOY BATTLE TO DOUBLE PIN; REMATCH FORTHCOMING!! --FULL RESULTS FROM 12/20 HIGHLAND EVENT!! IWA Mid-South Wrestling returned to the Lincoln Center in Highland, Indiana on Saturday night, December 20th with "Stylin & Profilin." Here's what went down... 1. "All Star" CRU JONES def. JOE E. LEGEND in the opening contest, and Legend's IWA Mid-South debut. Legend hit Jones with a cross body off the top rope, but Legend's momentum rolled Jones on top of him, into a cover, and Cru got the three count. 2. DAIZEE HAZE & MICKIE KNUCKLES def. RAIN & LACEY in a womens tag team bout when Daizee rolled up Lacey for the pinfall. During Rain's pre-match diatribe, she explained how she has competed in IWA Mid-South for two years now, has wrestled at the past two TPIs, was on the first show at the IWA Arena, and takes offense to Mickie and Daizee trying to take her spot. Thus, her partner would be the one wrestler who has a similar complaint, in longtime rival Lacey. The IWA veteran women worked very well as a team, utilizing several double team move combinations, including a russian legsweep and neckbreaker combination. Daizee took the brunt of the punishment in the later portions of the bout, before pulling out the victory after catching Lacey off guard. 3. MATT SYDAL wrestled DELIRIOUS to a no-contest in a rematch from the 11/21 Highland event when BRAD BRADLEY & RYAN BOZ hit the ring and attacked both wrestlers, putting an end to the matchup. Bradley & Boz' managerial team of JIM FANNIN & "The Hustler" CARMINE DESPIRITO proceeded to get on the microphone and complain about their men not being given a match on the card, yet "these two midgets" have a match. Sydal took the microphone and said he and Delirious weren't afraid to face them in a tag match, and an impromptu bout began immediately. 4. MATT SYDAL & DELIRIOUS def. BRAD BRADLEY & RYAN BOZ (w/ Jim Fannin & Carmine DeSpirito) after IAN ROTTEN came to the aid of Sydal & Delirious at ringside, leading to the two light heavyweights scoring an upset pinfall. Sydal & Delirious attempted to use their speed and agility to overcome the tremendous size difference, but ultimately Bradley & Boz wound up hitting several devastating double team maneuvers during the course of the matchup. After Ian Rotten's assistance at ringside cost Fannin & DeSpirito's men the victory in the match, they all attacked Rotten, and were joined in the ring by DANNY DANIELS and BJ WHITMER in the assault. Despite attempts to help Rotten by Sydal & Delirious, they were able to injure Ian's arm and leave him a bloody mess before the locker room emptied into the ring to run the men off. "Metalhead" STEVE STONE got on the mic and said that he'd be at Ian's side anytime he needs him if they continued to be a thorn in his side. Also following the brawl, as the wrestlers made their way back to the locker room, CORPORAL ROBINSON confronted MAD MAN PONDO in the ring about being in the building despite not being involved in a match on the card. The result was Pondo being thrown into the mix in the 100,000 Thumbtack Death Match later in the night between Corp and THE NECRO BUTCHER, as the match turned into a three way. 5. "Metalhead" STEVE STONE def. "Anarchist" ARIK CANNON (w/ Weird Cookie) following the Stonesault off the top rope. After intermission it was announced that BJ WHITMER's scheduled opponent, IAN ROTTEN, would be unable to compete due to the attack earlier in the night. Rotten came to ringside and told Whitmer he wouldn't have it easy and get a forfeit win, that he'd have to face a friend of his who happened to be in the building to visit, but had his wrestling gear in his car-- fresh from his tour of Pro Wrestling NOAH in Japan, ACE STEEL. 6. ACE STEEL def. BJ WHITMER (w/ Jim Fannin) via pinfall following the Gory Special Neckbreaker. During the course of the matchup, Steel focused on the arm of Whitmer, while BJ worked over Ace's back and neck. 7. JC BAILEY def. "Spyder" NATE WEBB to retain the IWA Light Heavyweight Championship, with his feet on the ropes for extra leverage. The two juniors began the match with straight up hold for hold wrestling, but eventually began to take more risks as time progressed. Two ladders as well as several steel chairs were introduced into the matchup, and brutalized both combatants physically. Both absorbed a vicious amount of punishment during the closing minutes of the contest, before finally Bailey chose to take the shortcut of pinning Webb with his feet on the ropes to walk away from Highland still the IWA Light Heavyweight Champion. Post-match, Spyder reminded Bailey that he has one week to rest up and prepare before Nate takes the Light Heavyweight Title back from Bailey in a tables match at the Salem Armory, where the pinfall must take place after a maneuver off the top of a U-Haul truck, through tables. 8. CHRIS HERO wrestled "The New Age Punisher" B-BOY to a double pin draw in a rematch from their bout at the 2003 Ted Petty Invitational tournament. Fans chanted for five more minutes, as well as "Match of the Year" in reaction. IAN ROTTEN offered to bring B-Boy back whenever his schedule allows, and requested that B-Boy return to Highland the next time he is available, and give the fans the rematch, but to a decisive finish, and under a two out of three falls format. B-Boy accepted, and the two men congratulated one another in the ring on a hard fought battle. 9. "The Phenomenal" AJ STYLES def. MICHAEL SHANE with the Styles Clash. This was a first time singles meeting between these two wrestlers anywhere in professional wrestling, and it was in an IWA Mid-South ring. Shane was able to connect with the superkick during the match, but the impact sent Styles through the ropes and out to the ringside floor, keeping Shane from going for an immediate cover to try to win the bout. Shane was able to counter several Styles Clash attempts, including a 2nd rope Styles Clash, but when all was said and done Styles did finally hit the manuever to score the pinfall victory. As DANNY DANIELS and ALEX SHELLEY made their way to the ring for the IWA World Heavyweight Title contest, IAN ROTTEN approached ringside and informed Daniels that he and Fannin would pay for their part in taking him out earlier in the show. Rotten announced that not only would Daniels have to face Shelley, but he would have two additional opponents gunning for the title. In addition, Ian ruled it would be an elimination style matchup, which meant Daniels would have to be the last man standing in the match to retain his title. 10. DANNY DANIELS (w/ Jim Fannin) def. "The Next" ALEX SHELLEY & "Barbaric Berzerker" JIMMY JACOBS (w/ Becky Bayless) & "The Future" CHRIS SABIN in a four way elimination match to retain the IWA World Heavyweight Championship. After roughly 8 minutes of back and forth action from all four competitors, Jacobs went to hit a dive over the top rope to the floor on Daniels, but Daniels wound up catching Jacobs and powerbombing him on the floor, aggrivating Jacobs' back injury sustained on Thanksgiving night in Salem, IN. Jacobs was tended to on the floor by several wrestlers, and carried from ringside back to the locker room. This left Shelley, Daniels, and Sabin to go at it for the championship. After several additional minutes of all three men trading the advantage, Jacobs slowly emerged from the locker room and made his way back to ringside and put himself back into the bout. The injured Jacobs was unable to last much longer in the match, as he soon fell victim to Shelley's Shellshock, and was eliminated. The second elimination came when Sabin pinned Shelley following an off the shoulders michinoku driver. Finally, Daniels eliminated Sabin after the Rubik's Cube. After the match, CHRIS HERO entered the ring and grabbed the microphone, saying that he's sick of Daniels getting involved in his matches, and told Daniels that he wants a match against Daniels in front of the Highland fans in January. Daniels countered by saying he is sick of hearing everyone talk about what Chris Hero does, and how great his matches are, yet Daniels is the titleholder, and won the TPI this year. Daniels said he'd give Hero the match, but only of Hero would agree to make the stipulation that the loser must leave IWA Mid-South. Hero accepted the stipulation, but only if all of Daniels' associates couldn't be involved in the match to help Daniels get a victory, and the only way to do that, is to hold it inside of a steel cage. Daniels agreed, and the match was signed for the 1/17 event in Highland. This will wind up being the second of two steel cage matches between Hero and Daniels during the course of one month's time, as they will square off in a cage for the championship this coming Saturday, 12/27, in Salem, IN as well. The 1/17 Highland bout will have the added twist of the loser leaves IWA stipulation. 11. CORPORAL ROBINSON def. THE NECRO BUTCHER (w/ Jim Fannin) & MAD MAN PONDO in a three way 100,000 Thumbtack Death Match when he pinned Necro. In a wild hardcore brawl to close the show, Corp gave Necro a superplex off the top rope to the floor-- one of the sickest points of the bout. And in a moment that brought the building to its feet, Corp and Pondo gave Fannin a slam off the top rope into the thumbtacks! The show was filmed by Smart Mark Video for home video release, with commentary by Dave Prazak, Chris Hero, Steve Stone, Arik Cannon, and Nate Webb. IWA Mid-South Wrestling returns to action this coming Saturday night, December 27th, with "Christmas Carnage 2003" at the National Guard Armory (located at 1100 N. Shelby St.) in Salem, Indiana. Bell time is 7:30pm. Tickets are just $10 & $8 and will be available at the door. Already signed for 12/27 in Salem... Danny Daniels vs. Chris Hero inside a steel cage, JC Bailey vs. "Spyder" Nate Webb in a tables/U-Haul match, and Ian Rotten & Steve Stone vs. Brad Bradley & Ryan Boz. For more info on IWA Mid-South, call the hotline at 630-585-3958, or visit http://www.iwamidsouthwrestling.com/

Last night's IWA-MS show - part two of "Stylin' and Profilin'" - occurred in Highland, IN and featured a special challenge "TNA vs. TNA Match" between AJ Styes and Michael Shane, the first-ever match between them. Shane was able to connect with the superkick during the match, but the impact sent Styles through the ropes and out to the ringside floor, keeping Shane from going for an immediate cover to try to win the bout. Shane was able to counter several Styles Clash attempts, including a middle buckle Styles Clash (!), but when all was said and done, Styles did finally hit the manuever to score the pinfall victory. Also on the show, Joe E. Legend made his IWA-MS debut and pinned indy sensation "All Star" Cru Jones when he rolled through a Flying Crossbody Block. TNA Xplosion regulars Delirious, Matt Sydal, Daizee Haze, Nate Webb, and Chris Sabin (former-X Division Champion!) also competed on the show. Full results can be found in the indy section of thi sboard.

Me? I'm perfectly calm why don'tYOU CALM DOWN! Actually, I didn't just want to just say "He has a drug problem" like I actually knew for sure. Still if true it's a very sad story and I hope he gets over it and maybe someday returns to the world of wrestling maybe as a manager or something. True - and I'm not sure if anyone realizes the irony, and also the tragedy of the situation - Steele's real-life friend and manager during his early time in XPW, Bad Boy Basil, died a few years ago of a drug overdose. It'd be quite bad if the same thing happened to Steele, so hopefully he'll overcome it all. In tribute to Steele, I post this photo of him, my favorite one which I've seen of him...

Calm down, LOL. I was just confused about your wording of it. That clarifies it, though-Thanks.

Reading between the lines of what? How do you read between the lines of anything and derive that someone has a drug problem? Don't you find that out by, like, reading it somewhere or being told it, rather than "reading between the lines"? Anotherwards, shouldn't something like that be straightforward, as opposed to having to be read between the lines?

Actually, I believe he still wrestles on an occasional basis in some smaller indy's in the midwest. He worked for IWA Puerto Rico for awhile and UPW about six months ago. But true - last place I'd want to see him is in CZW. Keep him on the no-name indies...or even out of wrestling entirely. LOL.

I would've posted it this morning, but for some reason I just remembered it like now. Anyway, last night I remember having a dream and I was in attendance at a CZW show at Viking Hall. I think it was a recent one, because B-Boy and Trent Acid cut a promo of some sort and Messiah wrestled one of the H8 Clubbers (can't remember if it was Gage or Hatred, although if it was recent, Hatred wouldn't be fighting Messiah, so it was prolly Gage). Anyway, during the Messiah/H8 Club member match, Zandig runs in and attacks Messiah. I'm pretty sure the H8 Club member then exited the ring and went backstage, b/c I don't remember him in the dream again. Anyway, as Zandig was fucking with Messiah, for some reason - get this...Damien fucking Steele (You know, the former-XPW Test-lookalike who was a blahish worker, although he kinda had potential) ran in and started attacking Zandig. Messiah then attacked Steele, only to get punked out. From what I remember, the dream ended with Steele victorious in the center of the ring, and I remember getting the impression that a Steele/Zandig death match was set up for the next show (Don't know if the ring announcer said that or if I just gathered it from what happened, but that's what the dream ended with my getting the impression of). LOL. Well, thank God that never happened in real life...Steele/Zandig would ridicule the concept of workrate worse than any Prince Nana match ever did. And I don't know why it was Damien Steele of all people...I think the last time I watched an XPW tape with im was like six months ago, and the last time I watched an XPW tape period was like 3 months ago...but for some reason something must've sparked me to think about him. Anway, now tell me that wasn't one weird ass dream...of all combos, Steele vs. Messiah? LOL.

- Altar Boy Luke returns full-time to appear on PPVs. - Chris Hero is brought in to work the PPVs, not just dark matches. - Sonjay or Luke wins the X Title, or at least a showdown between those two. - Matt Striker (not Stryker), I'm referring to the MLW one), is brought in full-time. His comedy act RULZ.

MPW = acronym for what? Does it have an official site, b/c if so, I'd like to check it out. Thanks.

Phoenix, Just to let you know - I'm using your report of the show to post on NoHoldsBarredWrestling.com, since Stacy McMackin's report doesn't seem to be up yet, and your's is much more detailed than her's will be. If you have any problems with my doing so, PM me and I'll take it down. I credited you and all that good stuff, too. It can be found at http://noholdsbarredwrestling.com/news/73945675.shtml

In all honesty, the lineup itself isn't all that impressive; rather, I think the roster is what is appealing. Corino/Victory? K... Extreme Horsemen/Tanaka & Kasai should be fun, as should Lynn/Sasaki. However, can't you see Homicide/Punk in other promotions, like MLW or ROH? Daniels/Striker should also be fun, but the linup of CSC/Jason vs. Solution/LeGrande is pretty dull. I think it's more the fact that Japanese guys will be working in the US than who specifically they're going up against...Just my take. I'm gonna try to go to the show. Don't know for sure if I can make it, but I'm gonna try my damndest, assuming my schedule permits.

Sean McCartney a.k.a. XPWTVSean of XPWTV.com got a letter in the mail from RF that threatened a lawsuit if he continued selling ROH tapes. He never stopped selling them and didn't get anything since. If you contact him, he put up a scan of the letter he got awhile back, and he'd probably show it to you.

Yes - Gage won't come across as a CZW talent, but B-Boy will be. Right...