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Wrestling encourages crowd participation. Those other things don't. Would you go to a baseball game and boo the home team if they were playing like ass? Yes

A Cinderella Story fell because it was taken off a lot of screens for Princess Diaries 2, which also monopolised it's young girl audience.

He's only one of the funniest people on the planet who can get laughs doing almost everything. Regarding Norm: I don't know- He's kinda lost it recently. He has this big grey beard and moustache and looks like a grizzled old man. On talk shows he's famous for interrupting the second guest whenever he's on a show. I don't know how that would work as a host

From Meltzer- --The big story from last night was the crowd reactions. There is a lot on that in the feedback section. The live crowd hated Undertaker vs. JBL, and right about now, I think Undertaker vs. JBL hated the crowd as well. There were wrestlers and officials very upset, and it was probably made worse by the announcers with the "bizarro world" remarks. There were even "Benoit sucks" chants. HHH and Randy Orton were said to have been the most popular, although in the case of HHH, a lot of that was the live crowd's rejection of Eugene. Edge was booed in his home town. During the JBL match, a fan broke loose and jumped on the roof of the limo and nearly exposed that the roof was gimmicked for JBL's bump. That led to the big pop that seemingly came for no reason, as well as booing when the security nabbed the guy. The wave during that match was because the crowd was bored to death of it. It was more of a rejection of the characters, and JBL as champion, and others live said it was also a reaction to the undercard. You have to remember this followed the Divas Dodge ball segment, which in hindsight, was even worse than it looked to be. Internally, there seemed to be the feeling that the crowd came to see crazy spots and were unhappy when the style was toned down. At least that's how the company seems to have interpreted last night.

How anyone can boo a good guy is beyond me. Don't you get it? Boo the bad guys. Cheer the good guys. This way you won't ruin the show for people who post on an internet message board

It's Summerslam. It's a once in a lifetime chance to see one of the biggest shows of the year. I wouldn't pass that up. Ditto Wrestlemania. I went to Wrestlemania and didn't care for the first 4-way tag. So I heckled Garrison Cade instead of focusing on the match. Am I bastard? a) The fans doing the wave is not very nice but like I said- they didn't care for the participants yet still wanted to have fun at the show. So they did the wave. And it was funny. Get over yourself b) They weren't being entertained and let the wrestlers know. I don't even remember which match this happened in. If it was Taker v. JBL- I don't blame them. c) They don't like Eugene. Should they blindly cheer for him because he's a good guy? They also didn't like Cripple Boy and booed him out of the building too. Are they bad people? That they didn't care for Taker and JBL and would rather do the wave then watch trash like that. It's not being nice but they were trying to have fun. No one was getting hurt- except for Taker's ego. Get over it. Because Edge has been a bastard the past month. I'd boo him too. But Batista didn't really get cheered. But I thought the heels got cheered in every match???? BUT TORONTO CHEERED EVERY HEEL! But again- those damn Canadians cheered every heel. Every single one. Even that fucker Rene Dupree. Oh wait.... Yes he did- that you're wrong. Toronto didn't blindly cheer every heel and boo every face. I still don't understand. Should the fans have: Cheered every face just because. Booed every heel just because. In every match, regardless of how they felt, went crazy and cheered everything?

Like the kind of argument you just made? They obviously were tired of the wrestlers if they didn't care FOR THE TWO WRESTLERS FIGHTING IN THE WORLD TITLE MATCH. They obviously didn't like Edge's heelish actions of the past month. They obviously didn't like Diva Dodgeball. Complete and utter bullshit. Wrong. Wrong. Explain Chris Jericho. He was the most over guy all night. And he's a good guy. Explain John Cena. Should the fans cheer and boo everyone just because they are good guys and bad guys? Nope- they were bored with the match. And since the wrestlers weren't providing amusement- they decided to amuse themselves. But we can't have fun at a wrestling show unless it involves wrestling can we? And HHH taking the top of the table off only to have no one go through it would've upset me too. Or they just wanted to have a good time at a show they paid a lot of $$ to see. No- they looked like people who wanted to have fun and when Undertaker and JBL weren't providing said fun- they did the wave themselves. Would you rather they sit there with their hands folded staring at the ring? But that argument is CORRECT. They did pay for their tickets, for the most part they CAN do what they want. Don't you get that? The fans did not like Edge. They booed him. The fans loved Chris Jericho. They cheered him. The fans liked Kurt Angle. They cheered him. The fans hated Eugene. They booed him. The fans liked Ric Flair. They cheered him. The fans liked Triple H. They cheered him. The fans didn't care for JBL or Taker. They did the wave. The fans liked Randy Orton. They cheered him. They paid their hard earned money to see this show and responding accordingly. Still fail to see the problem. I don't understand what's wrong with having fun at a wrestling show.

I was going crazy for the Puerto Ricans the whole game. When that guy hit the 3 with 30 seconds left- I just lost it.

Hogan wasn't just getting cheered in Canada. Remember in Chicago he got insane face heat as well. You're logic is some of the dumbest I've ever heard. Should WWE only go to cities that accepts the crap they put out? And Toronto usually does cheer and boo the faces and heels. It's just last night they decided to have some fun. You know- since a lot of people go to wrestling shows for fun. And how is the actions of the Toronto crowd on March 17th to blame for a WWE title match that occured in May? Hogan was getting face pops EVERYWHERE. Canadians are still loving wrestling. They're still selling out arenas and merchandise. I don't think the world ended because people did the wave during a match.

He was implying about the reactions to the wrestlers as not being sheep-not the way they reacted during the matches themselves

What is your point exactly? The fans didn't care for the match and wanted to have fun. So they did

Because it's SUMMERSLAM. It's a once in a life opportunity to see one of the biggest shows of the year. I wouldn't pass up the chance. Just like how people blow their load over WM tickets regardless of how the product is

Royal Rumble usually is #2 in terms of buyrates so I consider that the second biggest show of the year.

There's a BIG difference in 1996 Austin and John Bradshaw Layfield I'm just using the comparison because Austin was a midcarder/tag team wrestler in WCW and then when he got to the WWE was basically a lower midcarder as The Ringmaster, but people gave him a chance. No they didn't. No one gave shit about him until he started ragging on Bret which was long after the Ringmaster gimmick

There's a BIG difference in 1996 Austin and John Bradshaw Layfield

Agreed- People enjoy ragging on Hebner, he enjoys playing it up. That's why people play it up. We're over it. WWE is the ones who aren't.

They went to WWE Summerslam to have fun- and since they didn't feel like they were getting it- they decided to have fun themselves. Because they didn't want to see the match to begin with. And the start of the match gave them nothing to cheer for. They obviously didn't like the idea of the match and exercised their opinion to not give a shit. Because it's fun to go along with other people and chant and have fun. If WWE gave them a better product and a better title match- maybe they'd cheer for something.

Wrong wrong wrong. The heels going over in the main events probably would be a bigger deterrent. I still don't understand what you want- should the crowds be going crazy at every PPV? The Toronto fans didn't like what they saw and reacted accordingly. If they put together a bad card for Unforgiven- people will not order the show. Not because people in Toronto were vocal for a different person.

So, with all the hate for the crowd tonight flowing in the SS thread, I figured let's analyze the situation on its own They've done it before- I remember in Montreal they were talking about how the crowd was bizzare. The fans didn't care about the feud or the match. So should they sit there silently and not have any fun? Or should they try to have some fun anyway since they paid a lot for their ticket? If it's me I'd rather have fun doing something then sit there silently doing nothing. Maybe it'e extremely disrespectful of WWE to book a career midcarder as the WWE champion. Yea- the booing of Eugene was a bit weird. But they also booed Gowan too. Doing Regal v. HHH probably would've gotten a better reaction. . You would think they would learn to not send Hebner out there. How is a **** match solid? Isn't **** excellent or something? I'm glad wrestling shows dictate your opinion of cities.

a.k.a SHEEP Aren't all wrestling fans sheep if they cheer or boo someone just because they're supposed to? Toronto decided to cheer for what they wanted and boo what they wanted. I don't see why that's a bad thing

You're a fucking retard. Why would someone stop ordering WWE PPVs because the people in Toronto were mean to them? That makes absolutely no sense. If WWE puts on a good product- they will buy it. If WWE has the heels go over in the big 4 matches- they probably won't buy it. Should a WWE PPV crowd be required to go crazy and cheer for everything? You said the show was awful, now you say it was good?

1) They cared in a different way. They told Vince McMahon that they're not feeling the product. 2) What? 3) You do realise Air Canada Centre was sold out right? So how are they bad for business if they SELL OUT THE ARENA From what I'm reading, it seems like the only way the crowd could have been more hostile would be if they were throwing beer cups, beer bottles, soda cups, and other assorted stuff into the ring, ala WCW: nWo Era. It made the show fun to watch. I admitted it got annoying in the Evolution matches but it was fun watching them shit on a show.

1) They cared in a different way. They told Vince McMahon that they're not feeling the product. 2) What? 3) You do realise Air Canada Centre was sold out right? So how are they bad for business if they SELL OUT THE ARENA

They shat all over it because they probably don't buy the midcarder who is the champion and probably didnt' care for the challenger either. Should the fans go: Ohhh- this is for the WWE Title. I can't wait! if they don't care for the two combatants?

Not really. The main event delivered and nothing really sucked. Just poor booking. Considering Toronto's always been one of WWE's top drawing towns and has had three huge shows (Big Event, WM VI and X-8) they hardly count as a shitty wrestling town. That's your problem. Not their problem.