I respect Tom's opinion on the CE folder people, as I wouldn't call for their banning either, even Mike, whom I have had problems in the past (though we've made up now...I think). However, I do think that it is somewhat preposterous to perceive that the CE folder regulars reside on some plateau above us "lower-halfs" just because they're really good... well, they're really persistent in arguing how much Bush is good/bad, or how much the war in Iraq is good/bad, or how much (random political issue of the day) is good/bad. Also, superfluously verbose posts flexing one's vocabulary tend to turn me off more than anything else, which is why I adopted KKK's policy towards the CE folder, (i.e. get in, make smartass remark and get out)
At the end of the day, the posts in CE folder amount to the same pile of textual shit as the posts in HD declaring people ghey.