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I'm looking for any RAW or Nitro from 1997 or 1998 that I don't have. It'd be cool to get a collection of 3-4 on each tape, so I don't get cluttered with too many tapes. Or if you know anywhere that puts them on DVD, that would be cool too. Let me know what you have, since I have some stuff from 1997 and a little from 1998, but still want a lot more. I'm also looking for a good deal on a WCW Great American Bash 1997 pay per view. I might add more here as I think of more stuff I want. Thanks!

Well...at least they've been elevated since then, I guess... But the workrate difference between them and Cena/Carlito is just mind boggling.

Nobody is allowed to work a different style, so the in-ring action just isn't much fun anymore. I like watching hard hitting stuff where each guy has his own in-ring style, instead of everyone wrestling the "WWE main event" style.

After watching a lot of indy stuff (ROH, IWA-MS, more) I just don't care about the WWE in-ring stuff anymore. For the most part it just sucks. It's just the characters and angles I really care about now, because great matches don't come along too often, especially on TV.

Wade Keller gave the main event **1/2 and said it was a good match.

That'd be a cool idea, we'll have to figure out a way to do something like that. Old School Theater, we'll call it.

He has his own blog at www.livejournal.com/~rspwfaq and that's all I know.

I love this thread.

Yep, Malibu didn't make it sound mandatory. Your fault, Zack!

I just love the randomness of these. For example: ECW Tag Titles Dean Malenko and Joe Malenko d. Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn when Dean made Dan tap to a cross-armbreaker, ***1/2 (9:20) Pitbulls 1 and 2 sat at ringside. But why were the Pitbulls sitting at ringside? TUNE IN TO NITRO TO FIND OUT!

Uh oh, CM Funk.... "Randy Orton must captain one team and must be eliminated, but cannot be eliminated by the captain on the opposing team." Great team names though.

1) Randy Orton, Brian Lawler, Dustin Rhodes, and Harry Smith (2nd Generation) d. Johnny B. Badd, Rico, Billy Gunn, and Chuck Palumbo (We're Here, We're Queer), with Dustin Rhodes as the lone survivor. -Randy Orton pinned Chuck Palumbo with an RKO at 4:13. (4-3) -Billy Gunn pinned Orton with a fameasser and a pin using the ropes at 6:46. (3-3) -Johnny B. Badd pinned Harry Smith after shooting his Badd Blaster in Smith's face behind the referee's back, and then rolling him up for the pin at 7:43. (2-3) -Billy Gunn pinned Brian Lawler with a fameasser after Lawler missed a guillotine leg drop at 10:41 (1-3) -Dustin Rhodes pinned Gunn with the Curtain Call at 10:58. (1-2) -Rico was disqualified after Jackie interfered at 12:20. (1-1) -Dustin Rhodes pinned Johnny B. Badd after hitting a bulldog off the ropes at 15:35. 2) Diamond Dallas Page, Nick Gage, Chris Cage and Robbie Rage (Rhyme Time) d. Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle, Lex Luger, the Patriot (The Americanimaniacs) with DDP as the sole survivor. -Hogan pinned Rage with the big leg drop of doom at 4:41. (3-4) -Angle got Chris Cage (making his TV debut) to tap to the ankle lock at 5:56. (2-4) -Nick Gage pinned The Patriot after DDP hit a Diamond Cutter and rolled Gage on top after Patiot had hit Gage with the Uncle Slame at 7:55. (2-3) -Lex Luger put Gage in the torture rack for the submission at 8:35. (1-3) -DDP pinned Luger at 10:41 with the Diamond Cutter and reversing out of the Torture Rack. (1-2) -DDP pinned Hulk Hogan at 11:15 after Lex Luger came back to the ring and accidentally knocked out Hogan with the UNPADDED FOREARM OF DOOM. (1-1) -DDP pinned Kurt Angle at 18:10 after reversing an Angle Slam to the Diamond Cutter. After the match, Hulk Hogan confronted Lex Luger backstage, and the two men brawled out of the arena. 3) Wild card match: Chris Jericho, New Jack, Abdullah the Butcher, and Brian Pillman (Blood and Blondes) d. The Ultimate Warrior, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn and Marc Mero (Ulitmate Fighters) with all of the Blood and Blondes team surviving. -Abby pinned Dan Severn with a running elbow drop at 2:53. -Brian Pillan pinned Marc Mero with a rolling cradle after reversing out of the TKO at 5:51. -Ken Shamrock was DQ-ed at 8:45 after not releasing the ankle lock when Chris Jericho got to the ropes. -Ultimate Warrior was counted out at 10:10 after Jericho hit a spring board dropkick sending him to the floor, and Randy Savage ran down and knocked out Warrior with his scepter. -After the match, New Jack hit a balcony dive on the Warrior. -Backstage, someone hit Zeus with a car and drove off! Zeus needed a replacement for his match, so Hulk Hogan got Randy Savage to agree to bring the Mega Powers back for one night only! 4) Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Hawk and Animal (The Legion of Mega Powers) d. Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Chris Benoit, and Dean Malenko (Team Horsemen) when Hogan and Savage were the survivors. -Hawk pinned Malenko after LOD hit the Doomsday Device at 6:15. -Arn Anderson pinned Hawk after hitting a spinebuster at 8:55. -Chris Benoit tapped Animal at 14:31, using the Crippler Crossface -Randy Savage pinned Tully Blanchard with the big elbow drop at 17:50. -Hulk Hogan pinned Arn Anderson with the big leg drop at 19:41. -Hulk Hogan pinned Chris Benoit at 20:35 with the big leg drop. Benoit had Savage in the crossface, but Hogan has blind tagged in with Benoit knowing, and Hogan hit the leg drop. 5) The Ulitimate Survivor match: Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Dustin Rhodes, and Diamond Dallas Page d. Chris Jericho, New Jack, Abdullah the Butcher, and Brian Pillman with Savage as the lone survivor. -Abdullah the Butcher was DQ-ed for excessive use of a fork on Dustin Rhodes at 5:10. -Chris Jericho easily pinned Rhodes with the lionsault at 5:35. -Chris Jericho rolled up DDP for the pin at 7:46 after DDP collided with Hogan on the apron. DDP then gave Hogan a diamond cutter, but Hogan started to Hulk Up on Jericho! -Hogan pinned New Jack at 8:41 with the big leg drop after Jericho quickly tagged out to New Jack so Hogan wouldn't pin him. -Brian Pillman was counted out at 9:35 after saying he respected Hulk Hogan, the booker man and walking out on the match! -Hogan was disqualified at 12:13 after getting caught with a chair in his hands that Jericho had originally tried to use on him. Hogan threw a big tantrum after the match, before getting attacked by Lex Luger and Sid. Sid powerbomed Hogan through the stage! -Randy Savage pinned Chris Jericho at 17:24 with the big elbow to be the ultimate survivor.

Thanks for the votes (and the awesomely creative booking ideas, lol), so keep 'em coming.

When did Nitro go from 2 to 3 hours?

This is a pay per view I've seen once, but it was several years ago and to be honest I can't remember anything about it. I've always thought that the old school Survivor Series shows are fun to watch or good for a rent or something to check out, though I can see why they started moving away from the "team" formats since the matches were pretty "meaningless". I guess, though, that they've kept the old school elimination matches in most of the Survivor Series shows, but after the 1990 show started to add title matches.

Here are the first round matchups...vote for who you think should win! 1) Norman Smiley and Vader vs. Sabu and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin 2) Funaki and Johnny Stamboli vs. Scott Hall and Road Warrior Animal 3) Steve Armstrong and Taka Michinoku vs. "Lord" Steven Regal and Dean Malenko 4) Big Stevie Cool and Dunn vs. Jamie Knoble and Tommy Dreamer 5) Rey Misterio Jr. and The Rock vs. Hakushi and Mick Foley 6) Kanyon and EdOMac vs. James Tighe and Sting 7) Brock Lesnar and Jim Neidhart vs Chris Benoit and Tokyo Magnum 8) Low Ki and Dusty Rhodes vs. Shelton Benjamin and La Parka 9) Kane and Chuck Palumbo vs. Eddie Guerrero and Abdullah the Butcher 10) Raven and Bret Hart vs. 911 and Diamond Dallas Page

We know have enough for the battle bowl! I am about to post the first round matches. The format of this thing will be as follows: Night one: Ten first round lethal lottery matches Night two: Five second round lethal lottery matches, and a ten man battle royal to determine a winner. You people will vote for all the winners. Back with the matchups in just a moment!

Hey, you can always put TNA as your wild card.

I actually liked the Bret/Diesel Rumble 1995 match a LOT, about as much as the Survivor Series one.

I never saw the first one, but heard great things about it.

Suspense/Horror 1 hr. 40 min. A young man named Adam (LEIGH WHANNELL) wakes to find himself chained to a rusty pipe inside a decrepit subterranean chamber. Chained to the opposite side of the room is another bewildered captive, Dr. Lawrence Gordon (CARY ELWES). Between them is a dead man lying in a pool of blood, holding a .38 in his hand. Neither man knows why he has been abducted; but instructions left on a microcassette order Dr. Gordon to kill Adam within eight hours. If he fails to do so, then both men will die, and Dr. Gordon's wife, Alison (MONICA POTTER), and his daughter will be killed. Recalling a recent murder investigation by a police detective named Tapp (DANNY GLOVER), Dr. Gordon realizes he and Adam are the next victims of a psychopathic genius known only as "Jigsaw." With only a few hours left to spare, they must unravel the elaborate puzzle of their fate in the midst of mounting terror. The killer has provided them with only a few clues and two handsaws - too weak to break their steel shackles, but strong enough to cut through flesh and bone. Release Date: October 29, 2004 (wide). MPAA Rating: R for strong grisly violence and language. Distributor: Lions Gate Films http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808579789&cf=info Check out the trailer for this shit and see what you think.

It'd be weird to have JBL/Booker, since Booker just lost in a US title feud. But I suppose they could go there.

Post your thoughts about this show here. Have you seen it? What do you think of it? What are the best and worst matches? Any other thoughts? The show for today is Survivor Series 1989...now post! Survivor Series 1989 November 23, 1989 in Rosemont, IL The Horizon drawing 15,294 (239,917) Shown live on PPV (3.3) 1. Dusty Rhodes, Brutus Beefcake, Red Rooster, & Tito Santana (The Dream Team) beat Big Boss Man, Bad News Brown, Rick Martel, & Honkytonk Man (The Enforcers) (22:02) in an "elimination" match. Rhodes & Beefcake were the survivors. * Martel pinned Santana (9:15). * Brown was counted out (15:26). * Beefcake pinned HTM (17:24). * Beefcake pinned Martel (20:13). * Boss Man pinned Rooster (21:00). * Rhodes pinned Boss Man (22:02). 2. Randy Savage, Canadian Earthquake, Dino Bravo, & Greg Valentine (The King's Court) beat Jim Duggan, Bret Hart, Ronnie Garvin, & Hercules (The 4x4s) (23:25) in an "elimination" match. Savage, Earthquake, & Bravo were the survivors. * Earthquake pinned Hercules (3:57). * Duggan pinned Valentine (7:32). * Bravo pinned Garvin (11:17). * Savage pinned Hart (19:06). * Duggan was counted out (23:25). 3. Hulk Hogan, Jake Roberts, & Demolition Ax & Smash (The Hulkamaniacs) beat Ted DiBiase, Zeus, & The Powers of Pain (The Million Dollar Team) (27:32) in an elimination" match. Hogan was the survivor. * Zeus was DQed (3:21). * Warlord pinned Ax (9:50). * Barbarian pinned Smash (13:42). * Powers of Pain were DQed (19:51). * DiBiase pinned Roberts (23:51). * Hogan pinned DiBiase (27:32). 4. Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect, Jacques & Raymond Rougeau (The Rude Brood) beat Roddy Piper, Jimmy Snuka, & The Bushwhackers (Roddy's Rowdies) (21:27) in an "elimination" match. Perfect was the survivor. * Snuka pinned Jacques (4:01). * Piper pinned Raymond (7:30). * Perfect pinned Miller (10:46). * Rude pinned Williams (12:14). * Rude DCO Piper (18:35). * Perfect pinned Snuka (21:27). 5. Ultimate Warrior, Jim Neidhart, & The Rockers (Ultimate Warriors) beat Bobby Heenan, Andre the Giant, Haku, & Arn Anderson (The Heenan Family) (20:28) in an "elimination" match. Warrior was the survivor. * Andre was counted out (0:27). * Haku pinned Neidhart (3:32). * Heenan pinned Jannetty (8:53). * Michaels pinned Haku (12:54). * Anderson pinned Michaels (15:47). * Warrior pinned Anderson (18:19). * Warrior pinned Heenan (20:28).

BATTLE BOWL #1 Okay, here's how it works: You, the reader, will select the participants in this lethal lottery battle bowl competition (except for the first five, which I will select). One we have enough participants, I will randomly draw tag team partners and matches. You guys will then vote on the winners to see who moves through to the battle royal. You then vote on who wins the battle royal, and voila, we have a winner. The people have spoken to determine the participants, and here are the randomly drawn first round matches: 1) Norman Smiley and Vader vs. Sabu and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin 2) Funaki and Johnny Stamboli vs. Scott Hall and Road Warrior Animal 3) Steve Armstrong and Taka Michinoku vs. "Lord" Steven Regal and Dean Malenko 4) Big Stevie Cool and Dunn vs. Jamie Knoble and Tommy Dreamer 5) Rey Misterio Jr. and The Rock vs. Hakushi and Mick Foley 6) Kanyon and EdOMac vs. James Tighe and Sting 7) Brock Lesnar and Jim Neidhart vs Chris Benoit and Tokyo Magnum 8) Low Ki and Dusty Rhodes vs. Shelton Benjamin and La Parka 9) Kane and Chuck Palumbo vs. Eddie Guerrero and Abdullah the Butcher 10) Raven and Bret Hart vs. 911 and Diamond Dallas Page I need you to vote for each match...vote for who you think should win. Post your votes here or PM them to me if you don't want anyone else to see. Vote now!

What will happen? They won't actually put Snitsky over...WILL THEY?