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So Taker makes JBL look like a bitch, but we get some interference and JBL wins. That's what I'm guessing, at least.

How's the main event so far?

I don't get why they didn't have a cage match or SOMETHING to make the last match a little more interesting.

Yeah, I've never figured out the whole bit torrent thing, but everyone says you can get tons of stuff using it, like even old RAW and Nitro episodes, which I'd be very interested in getting.

What's Limewire? I want to download matches too. Filesharing program similar to Kazaa but minus the pop-up ads. I mainly use it to download wrestling matches. I have tons. I've been wondering why there's so little wrestling stuff now on Kazaa Lite. Maybe I should download Limewire instead? Never used Kazaa Lite before, but Limewire is worth a try. You can usually find alot of matches, although sometimes none come up for reasons unclear to me. I'm downloading some NJPW junior stuff and Taz vs. Tajiri from Heatwave 99 right now. For some reason for me at least, on Kazaa Lite there haven't been any of the recent WWE PPV matches on there. I have tons of stuff I got last year, but I'm finding less and less now.

What's Limewire? I want to download matches too. Filesharing program similar to Kazaa but minus the pop-up ads. I mainly use it to download wrestling matches. I have tons. I've been wondering why there's so little wrestling stuff now on Kazaa Lite. Maybe I should download Limewire instead?

What's Limewire? I want to download matches too.

Meltzer: "Billy Kidman vs. Paul London is next. Kidman won with a shooting star press after once walking out before doing it. London bit a condom or something because he had blood like crazy coming out of his mouth while on a stretcher. Kidman gave him a second shooting star press while strapped to a stretcher. Really good." Keller: "3 -- BILLY KIDMAN vs. PAUL LONDON In the pre-match video package, they showed clips of Jamie Noble giving Kidman a hard time for what he did to Chavo Guerrero Jr. There was a time during the Nitro era that Kidman was having the best matches in the country regularly, but the wear and tear along with WWE's obligatory muscle-gain slowed him down considerably since then. London opened up the match with the type of crisp suddeness that Kidman had at one point - and probably a notch or two more spetacular. London hit a nice moonsault onto Kidman at ringside. Kidman, though, soon took over control at 2:30. He stomped Lond's gut several times, then applied an armbar. Kidman then shifted to a surfboard. Kidman escaped, but Kidman quickly shifted into a gutbuster out of a fireman's carry. At 5:30 went back an armbar. He really wrenched it on to keep it realistic. London yelled in pain and kept struggling to get out. Kidman went back to stomps once London managed to escape. London fired back with a desperation elbow to the face. He followed with a string of elbows followed by a drop wheel kick. When Kidman attempted to reverse momentum, London hit an enzuigiri. Kidman countered London's powerbomb attempt into a BK Bomb for a near fall. The crowd seemed to get more and more into the match as it progressed, reacting to the moves. London sold the idea that his ribs were in great pain from the stomps by Kidman earlier. Kidman scored a very near convincing fall with a huracanrana roll-up. Kidman fired back with a strong dropkick out of nowhere. Kidman then set up the Shhooting Star Press, but he stopped before climbing to the top and began walking away. Tazz reminded viewers that he'd be fired if he didn't return to the ring. He rolled back into the ring and gave London a back suplex. London flipped onto his feet and hit a sidekick. London then went to the top rope and went for a Shooting Star Press of his own. Kidman lifted his knees. London was knocked out. Kidman then went to the top rope and hit his Shooting Star Press for the win. London was bleeding from the mouth. With medics working on London and strapping him to a backboard, Kidman hit another Shooting Star Press. Tazz and Cole both reacted with outrage. WINNER: Kidman at 10:33. STAR RATING: **3/4 -- Borderline three stars. I'd love to see these two in a longer feature PPV match. Their work was a level above what you usually see in a WWE match in some intangible ways and other more obvious ways. The post-match angle sets up a long-term feud between these two, which is good news."

Well yeah...it sure worked for RVD, right?

Meltzer: "Eddie Guerrero vs. Luther Reigns is opening the PPV. Reigns is being accompanied by Jindrak. Guerrero used the Big Bossman tribute finish, although his name was never mentioned. He used a baton from a police officer at ringside for a foreign object followed by a frog splash. Below average." Keller: "WWE UNFORGIVEN PPV REPORT OCTOBER 3, 2004 EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. Michael Cole and Tazz introduced and previewed the event. 1 -- EDDIE GUERRERO vs. LUTHER REIGNS (w/Mark Jindrak) It can't thrill the fragile psyche of Guerrero to be working an opening PPV match. After a fast-paced opening minute or two of back and forth action, Reigns began working over Guerrero's back. He bent Guerrero backwards over his knee. Guerrero kneed out of it and bailed out to ringside. Back in the ring Reigns gave Guerrero another backbreaker and bent his back over his knee. Guerrero blocked a move by Reigns and countered by pushing his feet off the top rope and slammed Reigns backward. Cole called it an "inverted DDT," which is code for Cole saying, "I have no idea what to call it but it involved someone wrapping their arms around their opponent's head. At 10:00 Guerrero went for his Three Amigos vertical suplex series. On the third suplex attempt, Reigns blocked it and dropped Guerrero face-first onto the mat. Guerrero bailed out to ringside. He yanked an object away from a security cop standing in the front row. He then hid it in his boot, reentered the ring, and dropkicked a chair-wielding Reigns into Jindrak, who was standing on the ring apron. Guerrero then went for a Frog Splash, but Reigns moved. Guerrero then yanked the stolen object (an "extension baton") out of his boot and hit Reigns with it, then landed his Frog Splash for the win. WINNER: Guerrero at 13:13. STAR RATING: *3/4 -- Okay match. Nothing wrong with it at all. It played into Guerrero's gimmick of "lying, cheating, and stealing" while giving Reigns an out for losing. -Josh Matthews asked Dawn about her comments about Haas on Smackdown, saying that she was having an affair with Haas even though Haas and Jackie had just goten engaged. Dawn barged into Jackie's locker room with a camera and told her the engagement wouldn't last long. Dawn said: "You're not even a challenge. And by the look of things, you can't even measure up." Dawn's a good, nasty heel character."

If anyone here is actually watching (or even listening to the scramble vision, I suppose), make sure to let us know what's going on.

Ok, Jindrak won with a PUNCH? WTF?

Good music video...probably the best thing of the night.

No more Narcissist Jindrak. He's back to being normal boring Mark Jindrak who will get wins now because he's in Kurt Angle's group. So is anyone here ordering this tonight?

It wasn't THAT horribly done. Cornette and company got mad at Yokozuna for losing some matches and turned on him when they brought Vader in. I guess they were just trying to think of something for Yoko to do. Kevin Nash turned all the time in WCW. I remember him justifying his heel turn once in 2000 or so by saying that was the real him, and he turned good guy every now and then so people would buy his merchandise.

Wasn't that Japanese company proven to be something that Court Bauer just made up, or am I just imagining things?

Another big problem are their feuds. The best feuds come, like characters, from an extension of something real or at the very least something realistic. In 1997 Bret Hart really WAS somewhat upset that the fans had started to boo him, and really felt the American fans and started to turn on him. That's why that angle worked better than any other "Boo, America sucks!" heel group angle in history. In 1998 it was realistic to assume that the "Mr. McMahon" character wouldn't want someone like Steve Austin representing the company. Of course it wasn't true in actuality, but with the way they built things up with Austin in 1997, and the way Vince was played off as the "heel" in the things with Bret, it was very logical to believe that he could "screw" Steve Austin out of the title. HHH and Orton COULD have been a great feud if built up properly. It is realistic for HHH to get jealous of Orton winning the title from Benoit when he couldn't get the job done. But that turn happened way too quickly. But what about the other feuds? The Big Show/Angle feud isn't realistic at all. Big Show tried to kill Angle, and now we're supposed to boo Angle for shaving Show's hair? I'm supposed to cheer Kane on now because he lost the baby from the woman he basically raped? I'm supposed to boo GENE SNITSKY? Think about it if you look back: If you were asked what the WWF in 1997 was about, you'd probably talk about the formation of the Hart Foundation, the formation of DX, and the rise of Steve Austin. If asked about the WWF in 1998, you'd talk about the Austin/McMahon feud. But what was the WWF "about" in 2002? 2003? What about 2004? There's no overlying story, it's all feuds that last a month or two before people move on to the next one.

Bingo. That's what is missing IMO. Characters that fans care about and want to see win. Actually, I think he was talking about having better angles, not just stars. It's both, really. You have to have guys who can do the job and bring a charisma to the table that guys like Austin or Rock did. Did anyone think in early 1997 when Rocky Maivia was getting booed like hell as a babyface that he'd turn into a huge movie star? Of course not. I'm sure there are people on the roster who could do great if given a chance to succeed. Probably not at the levels of the Rock, but they wouldn't have to. Just give some people the ball and let them run with it, and don't bog them down with horrible gimmicks or storylines. I remember watching the Monday Night Wars DVD and Jim Cornette saying that with guys like Austin and Rock, the best stars' characters are just exaggerations of their true personalities. But now we're getting forced shitty gimmicks like Eugene and Simon Dean, we have too many cliched "America haters" like Dupree, Kenzo, La Resistance, these new Arab guys coming in, the cliched gay guy Rico, who has nothing done to get his character over in a way that Goldust ever did, Mordecai getting dumped as a character because Fertig was nowhere near being ready for the WWE, Carlito Caribbean Cool, and so much more. There is no edge to the product...there is no realism to it. Why should I care who wins the Guerrero/Reigns match on No Mercy tonight? Hell, why should I cheer the Big Show over Kurt Angle, when Big Show tried to KILL Angle just a few months ago? It's non-sensical. Like Rudo said, it feels like you're being force fed shilled crap.

The funny thing is that the actual wrestling content is FAR better now than it was when wrestling was "hot", like in 1999 when you had horrible old men in WCW and Russo booking tons of 1-2 minutes matches in the WWF. I think this just goes to show that the most important thing for shows like RAW and Smackdown is finding a way to make the fans, whether casual or smarks, care about the characters they are watching. There just isn't the connection now with 99% of the characters. Do you think Austin would have gotten over as much if he just came out and wrestled every week and never talked on the mic, beat up everyone in his path, did that segment with Vince where he came out in the suit and tie, etc? There has to be SOME creativity in making good storylines, feuds, and creating interesting characters. That's what makes people buy the pay per views, not the anticipation of seeing Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle wrestle a mat classic.

Court Bauer is a weird guy who pulled all sorts of weird shit with H2 and then bailed before the first show could ever happen. Bauer might be one of the worst promoters of all time, as he ran MLW into the ground twice before hyping H2 and never being able to put on one show.

Whoops, it wasn't WCW at the time. I'm an idiot. My bad.

Starrcade 1989 "Future Shock/Night of the Iron Men" December 13, 1989 in Atlanta, GA The Omni drawing 6,000 ($70,000) Shown live on PPV (1.3) 1. Rick & Scott Steiner beat Doom (12:24) via countout. 2. Lex Luger pinned Sting (11:31). 3. The Road Warriors beat Doom (8:31) when Animal pinned Reed. 4. Ric Flair pinned The Great Muta (1:55). 5. Rick & Scott Steiner beat The Road Warriors (7:27) when Scott pinned Animal. 6. Sting pinned The Great Muta (8:41). 7. Samoan Savage & Fatu beat Doom (8:22) when Fatu pinned Reed. 8. Lex Luger drew Ric Flair (17:15). 9. Samoan Savage & Fatu beat Rick & Scott Steiner (14:05) via DQ. 10. Lex Luger beat The Great Muta (11:08) via DQ. 11. The Road Warriors beat Samoan Savage & Fatu (5:18) to win the Iron Team Tournament when Hawk pinned Fatu. 12. Sting pinned Ric Flair (14:30) to win the Iron Man Tournament.

Nope, this is my first IWS show. The only other IWS stuff I had seen was clips from TOD3 and I just saw the IWS 4-way from CZW's 9/11 show the other night. (Oh, and I watched the August and September Bloodstreams.) It definitely wasn't as good as the west coast 4-way on the day show (not as polished or smooth, some awkward moments), but they made up for it with lots of head dropping craziness. Anyways, the first match was decent and after I read the results that 2.0 wanted to win via countout I understood the finish. I just couldn't hear the mic work on the tape, which kinda sucks. Crusher/Frank was decent. It had some really nice spots and some really sloppy spots. They went pretty long (15-16 minutes) and it was a mixed bag. Beef/Paysan was comedy mixed with some thumbtacks at the end. But yeah, I'm going to watch the end of the show here pretty soon, and I'll post a full review sometime later. I'm interested in seeing IWS's next show, but with money going to ROH, IWA-MS, CZW, and occasionally Chikara, I'm glad they're only doing one show a month.

I got the show from SMV. I've seen the first four matches. The only one that was any good was Lauderdale/Ninja, which was a fun spotfest/deathmatch type thing with some nice spots with the barbed wire boards, chairs, etc. The rest hasn't been very good, though Beef Wellington using Sausage link nunchucks was funny.