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So for the guys that know more about UFC, how often does a guy, say Diego, end up fighting on PPV? Have there been any talks who some people are he might face? And how do they decide who gets title shots in UFC? I have to say Bonnar for this next fight, but it's going to be close.

I figured the fact that they just signed Franklin to an 8 year deal meant that he was expected to win.

Anyone want to make Shamrock/Franklin and Bonnar/Griffin predictions? I don't know much about Franklin, but is he expected to beat Shamrock?

That was fucking dominant.

Well does ANYONE think Florian is winning? He has to be a huge underdog. I say Diego by submission in round one.

How long is this show going? Just get to the fights already!

This should be good...I hope the undercard matches that air (if they do) are good ones.

Shawn mouthed off to Bret one time too many, and Bret took him down and yanked out a couple of large chunks of hair and gave Shawn a few good bruises as well. It got broken up pretty quickly, but not as fast as it could have been, if you know what I mean. So he just refused to wrestle? Any idea what plans (if any) they had with the HBK/Austin tag team, or was Michaels walking out not that big a deal for them creatively at the time? As far as Survivor Series, if I was Vince I would have had a no contest finish at Survivor Series, put the title on Taker at the MSG show six days later, and tape that match to air on the RAW eight days after Survivor Series. Then HBK could win the title either at the DX PPV or in the casket match with Kane's help at the Rumble. Seems to make sense to me and be easier than the risk he took in screwing Bret over.

Somehwat related question: What's the story behind HBK walking out after getting into a backstage fight with Bret when he was tag champ, forcing them to vacate his half of the belt and do the whole tournament thing that ended with Dude Love as a tag champ?

When did Shawn supposedly find religion and change his life and all that jazz?

IWA Mid-South Wrestling, in association with NWA Midwest, presented "Spring Heat 2005" at the Park District Rec Center in Midlothian, IL on Friday night, 4/8. Here are quick results... 1. "Wonderkid" JONNY STORM def. TRIK DAVIS in the opening contest following a half nelson pumphandle driver. 2. "Human Rulebook" CHANDLER McCLURE def. "The Tremendous" EMIL SITOCI after the Touchdown. 3. "Sweet & Sour" LARRY SWEENEY def. "Classic" COLT CABANA with a rollup while holding the tights. Before the match, Sweeney announced he is now under the management of JADE CHUNG. 4. EL GENERICO def. JIGSAW after a brainbuster. 5. DAIZEE HAZE def. MICKIE KNUCKLES (Finishers Match) to retain the NWA Midwest/IWA Mid-South Women's Title after the Yakuza kick. Just before the pinfall, Mickie sustained an injury to her left arm, which leaves her questionable for the next few weeks. 6. SAMOA JOE wrestled IAN ROTTEN to a double countout. After the match Rotten agreed to a rematch the next time Joe is in IWA-MS. 7. BRAD BRADLEY & RYAN BOZ def. "Iron Saints" VITO & SAL THOMASELLI and ERIC PRIEST & SILAS YOUNG to retain the IWA World Tag Team Titles after giving Sal the swinging faceplant. 8. DELIRIOUS def. BRANDON THOMASELLI & JOSH ABERCROMBIE to retain the IWA Light Heavyweight Title after hitting Shadows Over Hell on Thomaselli as he was about to give Abercrombie the Air Raid Crash. 9. CHRIS HERO def. "King of Diamonds" EDDIE KINGSTON & CHRIS CANDIDO & "Anarchist" ARIK CANNON & DANNY DANIELS & "Double C" CLAUDIO CASTAGNOLI in a Six-Way contest after pinning Kingston following two Hero's Welcomes to earn the title shot on Saturday in Highland. 10. JIMMY JACOBS def. CM PUNK to retain the IWA World Heavyweight Title. The pinfall took place after referee BRYCE REMSBURG was down, and Jacobs hit a back senton off the top rope with the title belt on his back, and a second referee then counted the fall. The event was filmed with two cameras by Smart Mark Video for home video release, with commentary by Dave Prazak, CM Punk, Jim Fannin, and Trik Davis. Some images from the show are currently on the web for viewing... http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex...2&a=31714355&f= IWA-MS returns to action TONIGHT, Saturday, 4/9, at the Lincoln Center (2450 Lincoln Street) in Highland, IN. Bell time is 6pm. Tickets are $35, $30, $25, and $15 general admission, and will be available at the door. ***IWA World Heavyweight Title Match*** [Champion] JIMMY JACOBS vs. CHRIS HERO ***Tables & Ladders & Chairs Tag Team Match*** BRANDON THOMASELLI & TRIK DAVIS vs. "Iron Saints" VITO & SAL THOMASELLI ***Rematch from 2/4*** SAMOA JOE vs. BRAD BRADLEY ***Special Attraction*** DELIRIOUS vs. CM PUNK ***Junior Tournament/First Round Match*** MATT SYDAL vs. EL GENERICO ***Junior Tournament/First Round Match*** SONJAY DUTT vs. JAY FURY ***Junior Tournament/First Round Match*** JONNY STORM vs. JOSH ABERCROMBIE ***Junior Tournament/First Round Match*** JIGSAW vs. M-DOGG 20 Winners of the four first round matches will meet later in the night in a Four-Way contest! "Anarchist" ARIK CANNON vs. DANNY DANIELS RYAN BOZ vs. TANK "Sweet & Sour" LARRY SWEENEY has issued yet another open challenge! Plus: CHRIS CANDIDO, "Underwear Model" ERIC PRIEST, SILAS YOUNG, "The Tremendous" EMIL SITOCI, "Double C" CLAUDIO CASTAGNOLI, "King of Diamonds" EDDIE KINGSTON, "Human Rulebook" CHANDLER McCLURE, and more IWA-MS stars in action. Additionally, as part of the "Simply The Best 6" festivities, we will be honoring a Chicago area legend with a special in-ring ceremony! DRIVING DIRECTIONS TO THE LINCOLN CENTER 2450 Lincoln Street - Highland, Indiana Coming from the south (Louisville)... Merge onto I-65 N. Merge onto I-465 W via exit number 106. Merge onto I-65 N via exit number 20- on the left- toward CHICAGO. Merge onto US-30 W via exit number 253B toward MERRILLVILLE. Turn RIGHT onto INDIANAPOLIS BLVD/ US-41. Turn RIGHT onto LINCOLN ST. Coming from the north (Chicago)... Merge onto I-94 E toward INDIANA. Merge onto CALUMET AVE. SOUTH (exit number 1, on the right) Turn LEFT onto RIDGE RD. Turn RIGHT onto INDIANAPOLIS BLVD/ US-41. Turn LEFT onto LINCOLN ST. IWA MID-SOUTH LIVE EVENT SCHEDULE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (Event dates and locations subject to change) 04.08.05 Midlothian, IL @ Park District Rec Center "Spring Heat 2005" 04.09.05 Highland, IN @ Lincoln Center "Simply The Best 6" 04.22.05 Burlington, IA @ National Guard Armory "No Limits Anniversary" 04.23.05 Muscatine, IA @ National Guard Armory "No Limits Anniversary" 04.29.05 Valparaiso, IN @ National Guard Armory 04.30.05 Herrin, IL @ Civic Center 05.06.05 Midlothian, IL @ Park District Rec Center 05.20.05 Salem, IN @ National Guard Armory 05.21.05 Vincennes, IN @ National Guard Armory 05.27.05 Valparaiso, IN @ National Guard Armory 05.28.05 Highland, IN @ Lincoln Center "No Blood, No Guts, No Glory 2005" 06.11.05 Philadelphia, PA @ Viking Hall ---------------------------- Call the IWA Mid-South Hardcore Hotlines (502) 569-1701 Louisville (630) 585-3958 Chicago (317) 579-3230 Indianapolis ---------------------------- Visit us on the web at http://www.iwamidsouthwrestling.com/ ----------------------------

I believe they were getting a tryout at the time, weren't they? Vince was in his nostalgia kick at the time, and so they put them out there to see how they did. And they weren't brought back.

They look happy, good stuff. And if she ever treats him bad, he'll just bring the CANADIAN VIOLENCE or something like that.

Taken from the IWA boards: "I didn't like the finish either (of Joe vs. Ian) but it was done to build towards a rematch where Ian will lose. Ian does not have a problem putting people over, he does it all the time to the point where it doesn't even mean anything anymore. All of that being said, Ian does seem to have some sort of chip on his shoulder when it comes to ROH. He always says stuff about ow they only come to town every three months & IWA is here all of the time. Tonight he told Joe to go back & tell his buddies in ROH that he's more than just a guy with a bunch of scars & that he can go hold for hold. I don't even know why he mentions them at all, it's not like there rivals or something. The show overall was decent, nothing great. I'd guess the crowd was around 175. The crowd was kinda dead though, except for the two drunk guys that are at every show being idiots. It's great to be into it but these guys are just being obnoxious. Quick results Storm d. Davis McClure d. Sitoci Sweeney d. Cabana Generico d. Jigsaw Good stuff Haze d. Mickie Joe & Ian DCOR Bradley & Boz retained Delirious retained pretty good Hero pinned Kingston to whin the six way. These was alright but it could've been so much better. Jacobs d. Punk when Jacobs gave Punk a senton off the top with the belt strapped on him while the ref was out. Hero came don after the match, Jacobs slapped him & ran away. Back in Midlo on May 6 with everyones favorite wrestler Billy Gunn."

My favorite is still at this past year's IWA-MS King of the Deathmatch tournament, in a fans bring the weapons match when Madman Pondo takes a plastic He-Man toy castle, climbs to the top rope, and yells "BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!" before jumping off and bashing JC Bailey in the head with it.

Yeah, if it wasn't for the crazy travel I'd give it a serious thought. If you're single and 20-something, it's not a bad option. It's not like you go into creative suddenly doing all this main event stuff. You just work on little stuff, like making promos better, coming up with things for lower card guys, etc. I think that would be way better than thinking up stuff for HHH anyways.

Now, I've always wondered who those two were. Jim Ross is one of them by process of elimination, and considering he's put Bret over huge since the incident and he was the one to call Foley after it happened...Ross wasn't enjoying this experience. If Cornette was the one who planned out the spot, then my guess is Patterson is the other one. He always had a great relationship with Bret and he probably didn't want much to do with it. That's my guess. Yeah, I was thinking Cornette too. It has to be someone close to Meltzer for him not to reveal until after he dies. It's weird though, since I'm sure Bret knows Cornette was involved, so why would he care if Bret knew he was the one who came up with the sharpshooter spot? It's just shocking to me that Vince didn't go along with having the Montreal match end in a DQ like planned and have Bret lose the title soon after to somebody like Shamrock or Undertaker, who could then drop the title to HBK in the four way match at the DX PPV. You think that would be a lot easier option than screwing over Bret and taking the risk that he did. But luckily for Vince, doing it paid off. Another interesting thing to me is the fact that this clearly wasn't Bret's last WWF match, as Wrestling With Shadows makes you believe. Reading over Cawthon's site, you might want to change your description of the Survivor Series match: "WWF European Champion Shawn Michaels defeated WWF World Champion Bret Hart to win the title at 12:18 when referee Earl Hebner called for the bell as Michaels had Hart in his own version of the Sharpshooter, however there was no submission from Hart; the original ending for the bout called for the Hart Foundation to interfere, causing a disqualification and involving DX in a post-match brawl, however Vince McMahon had secretly planned this alternative ending since Bret was unwavering in his refusal to lose the heavyweight title in Canada to Michaels in his final match in the WWF; only the world title was on the line" Cawthon's site also has this interesting card: WWF @ Barrie, Ontario - Barrie Molson Centre - November 12, 1997 Henry & Phinneas Godwinn defeated the Headbangers Glenn Kulka defeated Miguel Perez Jr. The Rock defeated Ahmed Johnson Max Mini, Nova, & Mosaic defeated El Torito, Piratita Morgan, & Tarantula Ken Shamrock defeated Savio Vega Kama & D-Lo Brown defeated Crush & Chainz Kane defeated Vader WWF IC Champion Steve Austin & Dude Love defeated Owen Hart & Jim Neidhart Did Owen really do a house show right after Survivor Series, or is that a typo? And if he did...why?

Just wondering if anyone here has ever applied to work there, or even wanted to. I have talked to one guy who was on the creative team for about three months back in early 2004 before, and that's it. Oh, and I know a guy who works on the production team currently as well. But has anyone here ever wanted to work there for a living?

Some interesting tidbits from Meltzer, from the Wrestling Classics board, in a thread talking about Survivor Series 1997. On whether HHH knew and was in on it: "Of course he knew. He was the catalyst when he told Shawn, after Vince asked Shawn to lose in Montreal, and in return, Bret would put Shawn over in the four-way in Springfield on his last night, that Shawn should never put Bret over." On making Shawn look like he wasn't in on it: "They ordered Michaels to act super pissed off in the ring, because he was going to be their new champion, and they recognized the distinct possibility that it wouldn't look good for their new champion to get his ass kicked on a live PPV in front of the world and then have the ex-champion quit on the spot knowing he'd be screwed. That was the reason that Vince, when he suggested the Moolah-Richter cinching on a small package, was told in no uncertain terms that would be a disaster. Hart would know Michaels was in on it, and knowing the situation, there is little doubt Hart would break Michaels in two immediately before he could get out of the ring. The fake submission spot set up by Patterson (although it was not Patterson's idea, and when the person who was the real architect passes away I'm allowed to give the rest of the story) gave Shawn the plausible deniability. While Bret didn't believe him in the dressing room when he asked him, it wasn't until Undertaker (who didn't know ahead of time) told him a few weeks later that he knew for sure Shawn and HHH both knew in advance." Why Doug Furnas told Meltzer he was pissed off about it: "He wasn't mad for Bret Hart, well, he was pretty mad about that, but it was Blade, Bret's 12-year-old son, that he was a lot madder about. He talked about how he was crying hysterically because of what they did, for real, to his father. He said you'd have to see it to understand how miserable certain people really were as human beings, to allow the son to be in the show (Vince allowed it, I'd guess it was Bret's idea but he also thought he was winning for Canada via DQ, Blade carried the Canadian flag) knowing what they were planning on doing. At that point, I think it's more than Julie Hart's business. Even without that story, it still is." On Bret getting buried in WCW: "Regarding Bret not doing the "real world champion" gimmick in WCW, you have to remember that people who manipulated Eric weren't wanting him to get over, and certainly not get over in the manner Vince handed to them. That was the original idea, and it was dropped because Eric was talked out of it, and not by Bret Hart. Remember, he was put in a program with Flair, who they thought at the time was damaged goods. They did a shockingly high buy rate with a rushed three week program, and then the program was ended after one match. Then they were made a team, and before they had their first match as a team, both were taken off television. Eric Bischoff spent too much money to want the Hart experiment to fail. Obviously, other people did and they were those who were able to influence him to make poor booking choices, Why else, when "Wrestling with Shadows" aired on television, did the company then take Hart off TV for a month?" On some misconceptions about the incident: "How was Vince protecting his company? Bret Hart had already agreed to lose the title four weeks later in Springfield, Massachusetts on PPV. It would be in a four-way match. It would be to Shawn Michaels, with Ken Shamrock and Undertaker as the other two. If Michaels would put Hart over, Hart was willing to put Michaels over. If Michaels wouldn't agree to put Hart over, and he didn't, then Hart would lose to shamrock or Taker (didn't matter which, he liked them both) in an elimination match and Michaels would pin that person to win the match and the title. It had all been agreed to. Even Bischoff was aware of it. Michaels walked out on doing the job for Hart at Mania that year, and several times before Montreal had flat out said he would never put Hart over, and this was when Hart was champion, and not leaving the company. Michaels also refused to put Davey Boy Smith over in England in September, which was a huge deal at the time. I remember being told ahead of time because Shawn wasn't doing jobs and bragging abuot it , how they were going to force the issue in England to show Shawn was a professional. Davey even dedicated the match to his sister who was dying of cancer. Then, Shawn refused to do the job and they came to Davey and asked him to drop the title or else Shawn would walk, for the good of the company. While a lot of people have portrayed Davey qutting WWF at the time as loyalty to Bret, and at the time, that was definitely part of it, he was a lot madder at being made a fool out of in his home country when he was promised the opposite. The story about Bret Hart going to Nitro and throwing the belt in the garbage can was made up by Vince, after the fact, because the guys were on the verge of a revolt and he needed to come up with a story they would be sympathetic to. I think one of the myths, and the movie "Wrestling with Shadows," in attempting to be a dramatic movie gave the impression, is that Montreal was Bret's last match in WWF. If that was the case, he should have lost and there is no argument in favor of anything else. The fact is, he was booked at house shows for another month with the company. It turned out to be his last match because he punched the owner of the company in the dressing room and at that point, couldn't very well come back. If Bret hart was going to go to Nitro the next day, then why, when the next day came, was he not at Nitro? Nothing WCW could have done at the time could have been more dramatic then him showing up the next night. Because he was never going. His WWF contract didn't run out for another month. WWF had already filed an unfair practices suit against WCW. Vince had not breached Hart's contract beforehand, so if Hart showed up on Nitro, he and WCW would have been sued and no way would Hart have put himself in that position. Plus, and most importantly, for a guy who cared more than most about his image with the wrestlers, he'd have never left unprofessionally unless forced to. Once Vince breached in Montreal, why he didn't go to Nitro then, is because Vince still owed him $30,000 and he didn't want to give him the excuse not to pay it. He was going to Raw in Cornwall, Ontario and was booked to do an interview that would turn him babyface, which is a key part of the story. One of the deals in him agreeing to go heel earlier in the year was that he would eventually turn back. One of the deals when Vince opened the door for him to leave was that he would get to leave as a babyface. While he was the babyface in the match with Michaels, he never turned and was only a face in Canada, where he never turned in the first place." On Vince supposedly being worried that Bischoff would reneg on his promise to not announce signing Bret until after he lost the title: "The funny thing about that story is that when Bret asked Vince if he should ask Eric to postpone the announcement of him coming on Nitro, that it was Vince who told Bret it wasn't necessary. Bret told Vince it would be no problem to do so. Eric had Bret the week before and didn't make an announcement when he could have because Bret asked him to wait. He was a lame duck champion in Montreal. Vince's people told the wrestlers on the Tuesday before Montreal about it. Keep in mind, the whole idea of screwing Bret didn't come until Wednesday night when Shawn told Vince he wasn't doing the job for Bret, and Vince blew his cork about this main event where both guys were refusing to lose to each other, and Shawn realized he had Vince by the balls because Vince couldn't do anything to him (karma took care of that) with Bret leaving. The WWE wrestlers then told the WCW wrestlers and everyone knew. So Vince, by revealing it early, was the one who actually got the word out while Bret and Bischoff both kept their mouths shut publicly as per the three-way agreement. Not to say I didn't know because anyone could read the Observer the week before Montreal and it's all there. Hart could have lost it at the house show in Madison Square Garden a week later if they didn't want to wait until Springfield, MA." On the possibility of vacating the title: "I agree completely. There is no way Vince McMahon should have allowed Bret Hart to vacate the title when he was leaving. That has nothing to do with this story other than saying nobody is an angel and it's wrong to portray them as such. Bret's suggestion to vacate the title (hardly a demand, very low voice after Vince asked, what do you want to do and Bret said everyone knows, why don't we end on a high note tomorrow, blah blah blah and Vince agreed, of course with no intention of it happening) came on Sunday afternoon when he was in Montreal in the dressing room. The voice did not sound the slighest bit unreasonable. If Vince had said, I just can't have that, it would have been no problem. During the conversation, both talked as if the plan for him to lose it in the ring in Springfield was what both had agreed to do and nobody said or did anything to indicate that wouldn't happen until Vince agreed Bret could vacate it. VINCE NEVER ONCE ASKED OR BROUGHT UP BRET LOSING THAT NIGHT. He never said, you know what, we've got to do it this way (although Bret would not have agreed to do it for Shawn, whether he would have agreed to do it for shamrock or Austin that night I don't know and I don't want to guess but I could see that one going either way as he liked both of them and was very willing to lose to either--in fact, at one point, he specifically asked to lose to Austin). Of course, at that point, Vince is agreeing to everything Bret said to get him to lower his guard after several wrestlers told him not to go on his back for a two count (nobody warned him of the fake submission finish, which he fell into, which was, if something can be said for this, was the brilliance of why it almost worked) and the ref swore on the life of his kids that he wouldn't double-cross him. The screw job decision came the prior Wednesday when Michaels called up Vince at home and told him he would not do the job in Montreal in exchange to Bret losing to him directly in Springfield. Gerald Brisco was in Shawn Michaels' hotel room the night before trying to give him a crash course on blocking punches and escaping submissions to avert what they were really scared to death of, and that is their new champion getting his ass kicked for real on a live PPV by the guy they screwed who would then leave after being screwed. In the company's mind, that was the thing they were scared of, which is why Shawn had to pretend to be even madder than Bret when the finish came. If Bret Hart would have demanded on the prior Wednesday that he vacate the title, refused any other suggestion, I would back Vince 100%. He did no such thing. I would also back Vince 100% if it was not a common practice among his wrestlers at the time, Shawn, HHH, Austin, to get out of doing jobs that were both scripted and important to get new talent over. A practice that has continued on PPV main events to this day. If they wanted it on PPV, he had already agreed to the PPV. If they wanted it on live TV, he'd have agreed to live TV. He even suggested MSG and Fayetteville (a live Raw) as potential venues, and even said he'd lose to Steve Lombardi, if asked." --Really interesting stuff...anyone want to guess who it is that Meltzer says came up with the sharpshooter spot but he can't reveal it until that person dies?

Some interesting/funny stuff from Meltzer on the WC board: Original post: "What was the deal with Hogan burning the sheets at the opening of the first World War 3 pay per view in 1995? Who wrote it and what did it say that made him so mad?" Meltzer's reply: "Brian Pillman called me up from the show the moment after it happened and we couldn't stop laughing about it. He said how the dirtsheet said The Giant would win the Battle Royal and it wasn't going to happen. Two weeks earlier in the Observer, it said Giant would win because that was the plan. The problem was, when they changed it to Savage winning, we had that in the week of the show. He said Savage had been working the boys about a torn tricep and he was fine. The funny thing was one arm at the time was half the size of the other, and the injury was legit, but he was working on it. Pillman called saying Hogan & Sting (it was Hogan's idea but Sting was with him on it) had lost their mind because Savage was going to lose to an armbar on the arm half the size of the other and Hogan killed the match storyline of his selling the arm. Plus,he told everyone Show wasn't winning. He said, "Observe this" and through it in a fire."

Thank you for the answers!

"Nunzio, Chuck Palumbo, & Johnny Stamboli defeated Sho Funaki, Eddie, & Chavo Guerrero Jr." Wow does that match result look weird now looking back at it.

If you think that's bad, what about THIS show? "WWF IC Champion Rocky Miavia defeated the Sultan Aldo Montoya defeated TL Hopper Flash Funk defeated Salvatore Sincere Doug Furnas & Phil LaFon defeated the New Blackjacks Jesse Jammes defeated D-Lo Brown Ahmed Johnson defeated Savio Vega Hunter Hearst Helmsley defeated Goldust WWF World Champion the Undertaker defeated Crush"

Didn't they also use that video and song before the match with Yokozuna at WM10?