Hunter's Torn Quad

Not really. Brock is the underdog here, but people shouldn't be so quick to assume he has no chance of winning.

What vegetable would you assign to represent the IQ's of his mother and (assumed) father?

Yea, Though I Walk Through The Valley Of The Shadow Of Suck – Part 3 Steve Austin v The Undertaker from Backlash 2002 This one starts off strangely, at least for these two, with an attempt at actual wrestling. Not sure why they do this, especially when the ‘wrestling’ consists of Undertaker constantly applying a side headlock, and Austin using a hip toss, an armdrag, and then going to a Fujiwara armbar. It doesn’t lead to anything at all, so I can only surmise they did this just to show that they could. It was a nice idea in theory, but it would have been better had it actually built to something. As it is, all it really did was kill time, and these two had plenty to kill seeing as this thing went 27 minutes. Other than some ‘wrestling’, the match consisted of some pretty basic brawling around ringside, which was executed at very slow place, obviously to kill time, and it didn’t have a lot fire behind it, which is surprising considering that this match was build as being for the number one contendership to the Undisputed Championship. Around the half way mark, Scott Hall and X-Pac wander to ringside to watch the match. This leads to, well, nothing at all. They don’t attack anyone, they don’t shout at anyone; they don’t even have a go at Ric Flair, who is the guest referee for the match. Quite what the point was of having them there isn’t obvious, so I can only surmise that it was done to kill time during the match and fill up some of the 27 minutes. Nothing really exciting or interesting happens until the final few minutes, when Austin accidentally whips Undertaker into Flair, who for some reason sells the bump like a normal referee, and drops like a stone. This isn’t really logical at all, because Flair is a wrestler, and should be hardier than a normal referee, but instead acts like he got hit with a sledgehammer. Austin hits a Stunner, but Flair is too groggy and only gets a close two count. Somewhere in here, Flair gets bumped again, and again he sells it like a normal referee, and a chair comes into play. Eventually, Austin has hold of it and charges into the corner where Undertaker is, only for Undertaker to kick the chair into Austin’s face, resulting in Austin falling to the mat. Undertaker makes the cover, and Flair, after looking to make sure Austin’s foot was on the ropes, which was a miscue on his part, counts the fall, as Undertaker pulls Austin’s foot off the ropes before Flair can officially see it. Flair walks off at this point, not happy at having counted the pin on Austin, leaving Austin and Undertaker in the ring. Undertaker mock Austin for losing, by making belt motions around his waist, and Austin responds by giving Undertaker a Stunner, so Austin can pose and have his music play. This match was ungodly dull and boring. Absolutely nothing of note or interest happened until the finishing sequence started to get set up. The only interesting thing to really happen during the match was Flair making the mistake of quite clearly seeing Austin’s foot on the ropes before making the three count, as the storyline was meant to be that he didn’t see the foot on the ropes, and had to have it pointed out to him in the back by Coach. Apart from that one instance, there is nothing in this match that is memorable or interesting in any way, and you’re left wondering two things: Why was this match given so much time when it would have best been served cut in half ? Why both men tried to wrestle, when it’s neither their forte, nor what makes for a good match between them ? For the first question, I can only assume they got given so much time due to their seniority, even though it made for a pretty bad match. As for the second question, I would put that down to both men wanting to prove a point, that being that they can wrestle, which is pure ego, because the crowd didn’t want to see them wrestle, and didn’t care if they could; they wanted to see a brawl. Sadly, they didn’t get what they wanted, and instead of what probably would have been an intense 15 minute slugfest, we got 27 minutes of sloppy wrestling, bad brawling, and a botched finish that was so screwed up, I don’t think Ross or Lawler even attempted to rescue it, as they simply acted as if Flair hadn’t seen the foot on the ropes, even though it was obvious he did. If you want a star rating, I’d go with *, but that's being generous

I think it climaxes with JR wearing his pants around his ankles and his dick in his hand as he watches the replay. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, that was a visual we all needed.

Well, I tried.

Actually, the director should get the blame, because he is the ony who calls for the shots. You'd think the director would know enough by know to go wide when a guy is likely to blade.

I don't think that was them.

How the hell can that be a serious question?

Yes, you are too optimistic. While it is true Vince has the final say, a portion of blame still has to go the self-serving individuals trying to sway Vince's opinion. Would Vince push Punk? Maybe. But with his son-in-law apparently burying Punk, the chances of that would be almost zero. Ah, to be wide-eyed and innocent again. Seriously, it would be nice to think that Hunter isn't that bad, but like I said, history shows he really is that bad when it comes to burying people. Flair likes to be liked, and he knows to play up to Hunter to get that. As for why Edge would only say nice things about Hunter in his book, it's just smart to praise the guy who is going to be running the company somewhere down the line and will have your career in the palm of his hand.

The Backseat Boyz were fake Dudley Boyz on Heat back in 2000.

Yes, but a lot of people don't want to accept it.

What if that's true? What if Triple H is a huge fan of CM Punk? You could look at it a few ways. It could be a true statement and THIS story is BS...or maybe Triple H is a fan of his because he saw his ROH work. I know it's UNHEARD OF to suggest this hear, but what if Triple H said all of this and still actually likes Punk? I wouldn't automatically pass judgment and assume that Triple H is out to bury Punk before he even makes TV. As much as it comes out that Triple H loves this business and the McMahon family and WWE I just can't believe that he'd be so petty, spiteful and conceeded. I think it's narrow-minded to believe otherwise. There's always SOMEONE that eats all the blame for things wrong in wrestling. Triple H is the scapegoat for this generation. I remember when people bitched non-stop about the Rock. Said he couldn't work. Said he was repetitive. Said he never lost. Then he got better in the ring, started laying down and left for Hollywood. Now a lot of people are clamoring for his return like he's some sort of savior. Fans are just fucking fickle. The IWC is no different. I mean, really, who gives a shit what HHH said about Punk backstage? It'll be Punks job to get over and whatnot on his own. Regardless of what other people say. People always talk. They always will. It's life. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem is that history has shown us that Triple H DOES bury and undercut people who he thinks are a threat to his spot. Given that Triple H has done it so many times, it's understandable to believe it can happen again. It might not be fair, but with Triple H's track record, you can't really blame people for believing it is happening again. You can't believe Hunter could be so petty? Why? Hasn't his record when it comes to burying talent shown you how petty he can really be? Rock was laying down, a lot, long before Hollywood had even heard of him. Unfortunately, history has shown is that when you get over on your own, the knives come out, and it's usually down hill from there. That's a great way to hide from news you can't accept could be true. And history shows us that it likely is true.

Because Lesnar makes his living in professional wrestling, and the contract means he can't make his living in his chosen profession anywhere in the world for the next nine years. See above.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Bret Hart blading Steve Austin at WM XIII.

He's good and can be very explosive, but his fight with Liddell showed he has a major weakness when it comes to the mental side of the game. If Ortiz doesn't go into a fight believing he'll win easily, then he seems to let that get to him, and it showed. Very charismatic, and UFC's best drawing card, Ortiz would draw for them again if Dana White would stop being such an idiot. Funny as fuck on the mic and very charismatic until he found God. Rampage is good, but he's not great. He can take great dives through the ropes. Just ask Wanderlei.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Ignore feature is great. Anyway, I think debuting Lesnar in such a match, if he is able to wrestle for New Japan, is a bad idea. He needs to debut against Nakamura, Nakamura to give him a good fight, but Lesnar to wind up overpowering Nakamura and laying him to waste with the F5.

Ah, the old *nudge nudge* friend of a friend deal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, you know, the old "let me introduce you to my friend xxxx" And then you all start hanging out some. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So you're the hanger-on that nobody really likes but they put up with just to keep the peace.

I'd like to see Hunter and Shawn work a 60:00 draw without the use of every shortcut in the book. Let's see how they do without the gimmickry they need to make them look good over that length of time.

As I said, he completely and totally stole the spotlight from Warrior. The focus was entirely on Hogan and how gracious he was in defeat. Remember the last image of WM 6 as a folorn Hogan rode off into the sunset? The people didn't think how great it was that Warrior was now champion. They were thinking how gracious and humble Hogan was after he lost. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean exactly like Benoit did after he lost to Orton. Except you'd say that was putting over the new guy but when it's Hogan he's trying to bury Warrior. The same as at WM X8. You can say the Rock got no rub if you want but at the end of the day he went into the biggest show of the year and beat his heel opponent clean. The crowd reaction made it neccessary for Hogan to turn face. It' s the fitting ending to a supposed 'dream match' to have the 2 men shake hands in the ring - it doesn't mean Hogan was trying to steal the Rock's spotlight. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Except the focus went right back on Orton, with his music blaring out and the announcers talking him up huge. Nice try, though. Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about. Hogan stole the spotlight and that is exactly what he wanted to do. It's all he ever wants to do.

Yes, but he wanted to beat Lesnar clean for the WWE title in return. When that didn't happen, he refused to come out and play.

It seems to be, yes. It's getting the main event style push, and is usually the stuff that ends Raw. I think we'll break the record for most obscenities in a single thread.

Uhh...I think it died when they realized that wrestling wasn't as hot as it was during 1999-2001 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was never going to happen to begin with. That story was completely made up.

Hogan can draw, but only as a nostalgia act. He rarely puts people over, and even when actually doing a job it's rare that it is the kind of job that puts the other guy over. He did steal the spotlight from both Rock and Warrior, and if you can't see that then that's your problem. If you'd like to actually add something to this debate at some point, feel free to.

The move to TNN had nothing to do with the ratings going down. WWE like to use that as an excuse, but it's a total cop-out.

Chavo Sr. ate Chyna out too?