Hunter's Torn Quad

Ratings are not the best way to judge if someone is a draw or not. Money drawn is.

And have Iggy and co fill the forum with idiotic crap? I don't think so. You're not leaving. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> RRR doesn't even need to bother watching the product because nothing is changing. RRR can go on automatic and wouldn't miss a beat. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It used to be that not watching wrestling left you behind the times. Now, it doesn't matter if you watch or not, because things will stay exactly how you left them.

And have Iggy and co fill the forum with idiotic crap? I don't think so. You're not leaving.

Do you even think about what you post, or do you just bash the keyboard blindly?

Do you even bother reading to see if something hasn't already been posted?

It doesn't. He's just trying to find a way to avoid having the huge flaws in his arguments pointed out.

Like you said, some people don't want to put in the effort. They want to remain within the safety of their own little world where WWE is the only wrestling that matters, and anything else isn't worth bothering with.

It takes an open mind to get into a new product, especially a foreign one. So you can see why certain people around here would have trouble getting into it, even if it was feature Benoit and Guerrero.

Even if Lesnar signed it, his legal can team can still argue that forcing Brock to be unable to earn a living in wrestling or MMA in the entire world for the next nine years is unfair and restrictive, especially when they show that Brock was willing to come back under his old contract. If they can convince the judge that Brock is willing to come back to work for WWE under his old deal, then the judge might take one look at that insane no-complete clause and tell WWE to hire him back under his old deal or let him work elsewhere because the clause, even though it's in the contract, is unenforceable. The point is that WWE had no problems with Dragon working in Japan while under contract. Dragon was under contract to WWE yet they let him work for a promotion in Japan. Lesnar's legal team could argue that if WWE allowed Dragon to work in Japan while under contract, that they should Lesnar work in Japan because he isn't under contract. Do you even know how the legal system works?

The original plan was to keep WCW as a totally separate entity, and build to inter-promotional matches somewhere down the line.

Ah, the old *nudge nudge* friend of a friend deal.

How else do you expect certain people around here to keep living in denial? They've got to have some plausible excuse to avoid facing up to what they deep down already know.

I don't buy that. Maybe it's true for some people. But I'd say the idiots who make statements like "So-and-So is CLEARLY one of the top 10 workers in the past 15 years" don't want that to mean "only in the WWE". <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's right. When you've got people saying HBK is one of the best workers of all time, they clearly mean in all of wrestling. When they've never seen anything outside of WWE such a statement only looks more foolish than it already does.

Paul London London is a really good worker, who is one of many smaller wrestlers that WWE have reduced to wrestling the same heavyweight style and isn’t allowed to cut loose. This was really made evident when Vince banned almost all top rope moves, which begs the question of why even bother with hiring smaller wrestlers if they won’t let them wrestle how smaller wrestlers should. Billy Kidman Kidman used to be a great worker with a lot of charisma. Since coming to WWE he’s bulked up because of the WWE size obsession which has only served to make him a worse wrestler. And he cut his hair, again because WWE have this thing about long hair, and when he did that he cut off all of his charisma too. His getting release was a surprise, if only because it was felt that as long as the company was using Torrie Wilson that Kidman’s job was safe. the "Raven @ home" skits in WCW They were different, and I actually enjoyed them because I was interested in seeing where it would lead. It was meant to lead to something involving Roddy Piper, but as WCW always did with something that was getting a non-main event over, the skits were dropped for no reason, and nothing that happened in them was referred to again. WWE's "1 size fits all" style of wrestling Exactly the kind of blinkered and nonsensical mindset you’d expect from a company with the attitude that only their way is any good, and nothing anybody else ever did could be of any value. Vince telling London "maybe you should learn how to work" comment Exactly the kind of nonsensical comment you’d expect from a man with the attitude that only his view is the right view, and any other mindset can’t possibly be of value or meaning. the last 6-12 months of WCW - what you thought they did right & wrong, stuff you enjoyed (angles, gimmicks, wrestlers, particular moments or matches) WCW from March 2000 until the end of the year was just a disjointed mess. For March we had the Kevin Sullivan régime which produced some terrible PPV’s and television. However, they were putting out Shakespeare level drama compared to the total and utter mess that we got under the eye of that monumental incompetent Vince Russo, along with Eric Bischoff. Thanks to Russo we got television, PPV’s and angles that set new heights for idiocy, stupidity, and nonsensicalness. From April 2000 until near the end of the year WCW was virtually bereft of value, meaning and of anything that mattered. Russo completely and totally killed off the WCW title between putting it on David Arquette and changing it almost every other week. From January 2001, while WCW was still a complete mess, started putting out decent PPV’s and actually had some really good matches. Sadly, the overall booking was still focused almost entirely around the old guys, but at that point WCW was past the point of no return, and it was just a waiting game to see how long WCW would splutter along before flatlining. Jim Neidhart Niedhart was lucky enough to marry into the Hart family; otherwise he’d have sunk like a stone. Neidhart is just a total waste of space. Star Wars trilogy A really fun series of films, the trilogy might not have won Oscars, but they were great entertainment.

There is that clause, but the wording of the clause and the way WWE is trying to enforce it, as well as WWE not caring about Ultimo Dragon working in Japan while under contract, mean it's not quite as unbreakable as a lot of people think.

From the Observer site.

From the Observer site

Deon He seems a decent enough poster, but I don’t really pay him a lot of attention. Wildpegasus Wildpegasus is another quality poster, who brings the good content whenever he posts. He should post more often, but given the type of poster we’ve had lately, I can see why he doesn’t post more often. Czech Republic I usually skip over whatever he says. Downhome A fine poster, Downhome brings a nice mix of ‘smart’ and ‘casual’ to the wrestling forums. *KNK* *KNK* is really good poster, and a great addition to the wrestling forums. He brings quality content, and we really need more posters like him to offset the idiots that have been dragging the forums down lately. Zack Malibu Zack seems to know what he’s talking about, can articulate his points well, and he’s a fan of OVW. He’s another poster who should post more often here. Kahran Ramsus Kahran is a great poster on the forums. He knows how to get his points across, and it is fun watching him shoot down the twerps we’ve had around here of late. Scott Steiner Before he really got into the juice, Scott was a hard worker, and was a great talent. Once he heavily started gassing up, Steiner become a giant and immobile lump of muscle, and became virtually useless. Coincidentally, it was at this time that Steiners temper became the stuff of legend as he started ranting, raving and losing his cool on an almost weekly basis. Paul Roma Devoid of charisma and personality, all Roma did was take up space and sully the Horseman name. Mark and Jay Briscoe Mark and Jay are great workers for their age, but they still have a long way to go to become legitimate good workers. They always worked hard, and did some really crazy stuff, and if they put their minds to a career in wrestling I think they had the potential to become legitimate really good workers. Jack and Gerald Brisco I’ve only really seen Jack in action, and he seemed like he really knew his stuff. A very good old-school style scientific wrestler, Jack made a great NWA champion. I’ve only ever seen Gerald wrestle at Starrcade in 1983, and he came across as a less talented version of his brother. Shinjiro Ohtani I love watching Shinjiro work. As a junior, his facial expressions were off-the-charts great and he played the underdog role to absolute perfection. After bulking up, Ohtani stopped playing the underdog, but he is still really good in the ring, and still has those great facial expressions. Dutch Mantell Mantell has a great booking mind, as shown by his incredible success in Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, Mantell has fallen into same trap that other bookers of his era keep succumbing to and that’s an inability or unwillingness to move with the times. Junkyard Dog Great charisma in Mid-South, but after leaving his career just sunk like a stone as his drug problems spiraled completely out of control.

The Night The Line Was Crossed Mikey and Cactus beating Public Enemy Shane Douglas throwing down the NWA belt Terry Funk coming out of the box Bill Alfonso finally getting chokeslammed by 911.

Yea, Though I Walk Through The Valley Of The Shadow Of Suck – Part 2 Triple H v Kevin Nash – Judgement Day 2003 The match is prefaced by a video highlighting their walk and brawl from Raw the week or two before, and, smartly, they show it without crowd audio, because when it happened, nobody in the arena gave a damn about it, and I believe it also saw a ratings drop for that quarter hour as well. Naturally, the fans got the blame for the segment being a total disaster, because we all know that Hunter and Nash are wrestling gods. First off, I should point out that each person in this match, Nash, Shawn, Flair and Hunter all got their own entrance. Nash is out first, and then Shawn Michaels follows, and Shawn gets a million times the reaction that Nash did. Ric Flair is out next, and after him, his Triple H. Nash attacks Triple H in the aisle way, which sees Flair attack Nash, who is then saved by Shawn. You can see the overbooking is beginning early. Shawn and Flair brawl to the back, and don’t play any further part in the match itself, which makes no real sense, because Triple H and Nash can’t have anything close to a passable contest without as much camouflage as possible, and this match will prove that. Not only that, but JD is being held in North Carolina, which is Flair country, and without Flair, they’re not going to react to a damn thing in this match. And they don’t. The match itself is mainly a one-man show by Triple H, who flatbacks almost non-stop, while Nash does almost nothing except stand there with his foot held out so Triple H can run into it. Nash does no running at all during this match, because to do so might literally see him fall apart at the seams. A DQ is teased midway through the match, with the referee ‘stopping himself’ from actually disqualifying Triple H, which telegraphs the finish, not only because it’s obvious they’re going to have a rematch the next month, but because they did the exact same thing in Triple H’s first match with Scott Steiner just four months previously. Where Triple H v Nash differs from Triple H v Steiner, is that at least the Steiner match saw the crowd react, even if it was to boo the babyface Steiner out of the building. In this match, there is almost no heat whatsoever, which makes it patently obvious that nobody cares about this match in the slightest, and also makes the decision to not have Flair at ringside even more baffling, because at least then there would have been some reaction that could have been claimed to be interest in the match. In the end, Triple H pulls out a sledgehammer from under the ring and winds up slugging the referee with it. This is beyond stupid, because the referee is still moving, albeit groggily, from the blow, when all logic tells you that the referee should be out cold. Not only, but the bell rings here, presumable for a DQ, yet the referee never motioned for the bell, because he was too busy clutching his chest. Another slow motion brawl occurs, this time moving towards the announce position, which is near the entranceway, and Ric Flair makes his return to attack Nash, only to be sent reeling with one lame punch from Big Lazy. The whole mess, and it is a mess, ends, at last, with Nash powerbombing Triple H through the announce table, all the while with Jim Ross screaming at the top of his lungs about how Nash is going to break Triple H’s back. This ‘match’ only went just over 7 minutes, but it was still a mind numbingly dull and beyond pointless 7 minutes. 99% of the match saw Hunter bumping around like a pinball in a vain attempt to get a good match out of Nash, with the other 1% consisted of Hunter hitting a low blow on Nash right before the decision, which was about the only offensive move he pulled off during the whole sorry affair. While not as bad as the previously reviewed Undertaker/Kane v Kronik tag match, this was still incredibly boring, dull as dishwater, and without any redeeming features at all. If you want a rating, you’d best page Sucky McSuckerson.

Rob Conway Conway is a really good worker and he can talk very well, but you would never know it given how badly he has been misused in WWE. Conway deserves a lot better than being a member of the New Village People. Doug Basham Basham is a great worker, and he can talk, but like so many OVW alumni you would never know what he can do. Basham seems like he’s getting a jobber push, so his job seems safe, if not his career. HWA I’ve never actually seen anything from HWA, but I’ve seen a few HWA wrestlers on OVW or ROH, and if they were trained by Les Thatcher then Les seems to know his stuff.

Kazushi Sakuraba Sakuraba was a really good fighter when he wasn’t getting cocky and getting KO’d by errant knees. After getting beaten up so much over the years without being able or willing to take time off to heal, Sakuraba has become a shell of his former self a lot quicker than he should have. He’s very charismatic too. Alexander Otsuka Otsuka wasn’t that bad of a fighter, but he got a lot of mileage out of beating Marco Ruas many years ago, and had a fight career that he probably shouldn’t have had. I’ve seen him wrestle a few times too, and he’s a better wrestler than he is a fighter. Akira Shoji Shoji is pretty much a jobber in PRIDE, but I still like seeing him fight, because he knows he’s cannon fodder, and so he tends let it all hang out.

There was some action taking place during the break. Even if there wasn't, taking anything out of a match ruins the flow.

The video was pretty good, though it seems to cut off just before the end. What was the music you used?

I never understood why they only showed the television version of the Owen Hart Memorial match. I can only surmise that they didn't realise they had the uncut version.