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Hogan and Austin could get away with doing 5 wrestling moves a piece for 15 minutes and the rest could be punching and posing and the crowd would splooge all over it. Both guys were limited wrestlers during their respective peaks and the crowd still loved it. *After 6 minutes of entrances* *first 3 minutes* (Atmosphere Minutes) - Hogan standing there looking at Austin - Austin standing there looking at Hogan - Hogan looking at the crowd - Austin looking at the crowd - Hogan posing - Austin posing *next 3 minutes* (Establishing Story Minutes) - Austin gives Hogan the finger - Hogan goes to punch Austin - Austin blocks and punches Hogan - Hogan blocks and punches Austin - Block/Punch/Block/Punch - Stalemate - Hogan looks at Austin - Austin looks at Hogan - Both look at the crowd *next 3 minutes* (The wrestling portion - Hogan) - Collar and Elbow tie up - Hogan overpowers Austin - Another Collar and Elbow - Hogan overpowers Austin - One more CandE - Austin cheapshots Hogan and grabs a headlock. - Hogan throws Austin off the ropes and shoulder blocks him down - Hogan on offense - back rake, clubs, bodyslams, etc. - Hogan works on Austin in the corner, Austin reverses and takes controle. *next 3 minutes* (Wrestling portion - Austin) - Austin works kicks and punches, maybe a backdrop. - They go outside, Austin following Hogan. Ringpost spot. Hogan starts to bleed. - Brawl in crowd for a minute, Austin ends up bleeding *last 3 minutes* - Austin hooks on Million Dollar dream, Hogan backdrops out of it. - Double KO spot - Both men get up at the same time and exchange punches - Hogan gets the upper hand, Austin gets a quick stunner - 1...2...kickout - Hogan hulks up - Hogan throws Austin against the ropes... big boot, leg drop. - 1...2...kickout - Hogan tries again, Austin against the ropes... - Big boot caught by Austin, Austin gives Hogan the middle finger and Stunners him for the 1,2,3. *4 minutes of post match posing* - In total, 25 minutes dedicated to the match.

Debating the merits of an WON MMA HOF is pretty easy - there shouldn't be one because MMA is still in its infancy. But there is one, so that discussion is irrelevant. I'd like to see a Gordy List on someone who isn't nominated - a Marco Ruas, Gary Goodridge, Oleg Taktarov or a Mario Sperry (anyone who is under the radar). If Sperry comes close, we should call it the Sperry List.

Sakuraba is next to Royce Gracie in terms of "DUH!" picks. He has an incredible body of work, is very influencial, and drew huge box offices.

A NO for Sakuraba? A BUH??!!

Sakuraba definitely beat Royce Gracie.

Oh... Most DEFINITELY. Ric Flair would make for a good Wesley.

Technically, Harold Howard beat Royce Gracie when his corner threw in the towel before the two fought because Gracie couldn't go on after his fight with Kimo. Gracie drew Shamrock the second time they fought, but that's because it reached a time limit and they didn't have judges back then. Shamrock claimed victory mainly do to busting Royce up with a punch and Gracie being unable to sub him. Gracie wouldn't fight again until 2000 when he lost to Sakuraba after 90 minutes of fighting when his corner threw the towel in. He "lost" to Hidehiko Yoshida in another PRIDE show, when the ref essentially pulled a SS97 and stopped the fight when Yoshida said Gracie was out from a choke - when Gracie wasn't.

I was thinking it was either Tank or Ken using the gloves.

They should have made Antonio into Dalton from Roadhouse. Bring in Terry Funk to get beat up by him and have him do Tai Chi with the sun glistening off his sexy body. Jake Roberts could easily play Sam Elliots character.

An updated Boiling Point card. Official Fight Card Light Heavweight Championship Chuck Liddell vs. Jeremy Horn Light Heavyweight Bout Randy Couture vs. Mike Van Arsdale Welterweight Bout Diego Sanchez vs. Brian Gassaway Welterweight Bout Frank Trigg vs. Georges St. Pierre Heavyweight Bout Tim Sylvia vs. Tra Telligman Middleweight Bout Matt Lindland vs. Joe Doerksen Travis Lutter vs. Trevor Prangley Light Heavyweight Bout James Irvin vs. Terry Martin

Ken Shamrock 1. Was he ever regarded as the greatest fighter in the world? Was he ever regarded as the top fighter at his weight class? Was he ever regarded as the greatest fighter in his respective organization? Hard to say if he was the greatest fighter in the world. I haven't seen enough stuff outside the UFC to properly guage 1993-1996, which were Shamrocks fighting years. Given his loss to Gracie in 1993, I'd say Gracie was a the top UFC fighter for the early years. In 1994 and 1995 Shamrock was very successful with "wins" over Rutten and Funaki and drew Royce Gracie. The biggest win of his career came in 1995 over Dan Severn for the Superfight Title. He was the UFC's best fighter in 1995. 2. How many years did he have as a top fighter? Some would say from 1993-1996, the early years especially considering the lack of talent. The early UFC's were basically him and Gracie as the 1 and 2 men, but it was only presented that way - Shamrock didn't really earn the right to be called second to Gracie from his performances. It's not like he won a UFC tournament. It was more like he was second by default. 1995 was a strong year though, given the Severn win and the Gracie draw. At best, I'd say 2 years as a proven top fighter. 3. Did his career decline or suffer over the years? Yes. After he returned from the WWF he has been fighting under .500 with his wins being over guys with atrocious records. However, he did lose to top competition in Fujita, Frye (well, not "top"), Ortiz and Franklin so there is something to be said about his competitiveness (or money-wantingness). 4. Was he known for being an exciting fighter? His second fights against Gracie and Severn are seen as two of the most boring fights in MMA history. For this alone, I'll say "no". To be fair, the majority of his fights ended with a submission, so the case could be made that he was an exciting fighter and people have looked forward to him fighting, but those two matches can't be ignored. In many cases I have heard people shun the UFC off the basis of watching those two fights. 5. How many good fights or top quality fights has he been involved in? His fights against Ortiz and Frye were said by many to be exciting fights, the Ortiz one I'd agree with even though it was very one-sided, but the Frye fight wasn't all that great. I wouldn't exactly call the Ortiz fight "top quality", though. I sorta recall the Taktarov fight being pretty darn good, I should watch it again as I have it on tape somewhere round here. 6. How many memorable rivalries has he been involved? His rivalry with Royce Gracie and Tito Ortiz are two of the most memorable feuds in MMA history with two of the most anticipated matches in MMA history. 7. What types of titles or tournaments has he won? He was the first UFC Superfight/Heavyweight champion. First King of Pancrase, I believe. However this was during a sketchy time in the promotion. 8. Does the fighter’s win-loss record reflect a hall of fame caliber fighter? What was his record against top competition? No. In the UFC, his only win of significance was against Dan Severn, and he lost the rematch. His career is filled with sketchy fights and lacklustre opponents. 9. How did the fighter respond to losses? With excuses He came back strong after his loss against Gracie, but that is countered by his loss against Fujita. Tough to say considering he has two different time periods in his career as a fighter. 10. Was he innovative or influential? Did he make an impact on the evolution of fighting and fighting styles? Did his career lead to any rule changes? The Gracie fight started the ball rolling on time limits and such. Shamrocks Lions Den was one of the first known fight clubs in MMA and his fighters were all over the UFC during the first half of the companies history. Shamrock had the "look" of a fighter - was he the first one to wear the 5 ounce gloves? A very influencial fighter, in the end. 11. Did this fighter evolve? Did he incorporate different styles and techniques? Did those techniques result in wins? He became more of a stand-up fighter in the tail-end of his career. He evolved in that way, but it wasn't to much success. He has won with various submissions - chokes, heel hooks, leg bars, armbars, but all of that is under the "submission fighting" banner, it's not like he used his guard or anything for them. He won with his style, and didn't go outside it. 12. Did the fighter uphold the standard of sportsmanship? It's hard to say. I've been annoyed at Shamrock claiming a "win" over Gracie because of one punch and a whole lot of stalling. Shamrocks "I don't have to beat them, they have to beat me" mentality is shit. He wasn't unsportsmanlike though, and after his recent losses he has shown a great deal of class. Since he isn't a top fighter any more and he knows that, he can afford to be humble. 13. Was he the most popular in his promotion? Did he ever anchor a promotion? Was he ever the star? Shamrock was the star of the UFC after Royce Gracie left, along with Dan Severn. 1995 and 1996, if he wasn't the top star or most popular, he was one of them. It's hard to say if he was the anchor, simply because Dan Severn was fighting more during this period and was putting more time in. Tank Abbott and Oleg Taktarov were establishing a following as well. When Shamrock came back against Tito, his fight was the biggest drawing fight to date for Zuffa. His fight with Franklin was seen by millions. 14. Was he able to transcend the sport? Did he gain mainstream recognition? Yes. The whole "Worlds Most Dangerous Man" thing with ABC, being in the WWF, doing press and whatnot. Is he a household name? No. Is he more of a name than 99% of MMA fighters? Yes.

- RRR previewing TUF They should keep feeding Swick guys he can KO in under a minute. Have his gimmick be "He's spent a total of 43 seconds in the octagon... 67 seconds.... 90 seconds... etc."

One of my biggest problems, and this is something that even the WWE doesn't do, was the commercials. My god the commercials. Those COQ ROQ commercials lasted longer than the majority of the matches. I know it's only their second live show on cable, but goddamn, they need better production. They just weren't ready for it. However, I have to say, I was impressed that they got as many sponsors as they did - US Army, Toyota, BK, Four Brothers (A movie choosing to advertise on UFC, that's huge IMO). Sponsorship is the one of the most (Thee most) important things in television, hopefully it is sustained. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the show, hopefully the UFC PPV (St Pierre/Trigg!!!) will wash it out. Plus the Unleashed shows and TUF II. There's nothing worse than a bad match and bad calls, and this show had both of em. That's it, I'm never doing a preview of a show ever again. Clearly, I am bad luck. Sorry, it's all my fault.

Too many commercials, bad main event, the rest was aight. It's funny, cause Curry and I were scared for the fight between Quarry/Sell because Peoples was reffing. When I say funny, its more sad funny than haha funny, because it should be obvious to the UFC that the guy is one of the worst refs ever. If the back of sells head hit the canvas, then I could almost see it justified, but it didn't. I don't even want to talk about Salaverry. Ok, his name should be Salaverry Boring.

Just wait until "Ariel" "Trash" "Out Of Gas" "War Stories" and "Objects in Space". You will shit yourself. The Train Job, after a few viewings, becomes pretty much the worst episode of the bunch. You can really hear the exposition in the lines and it gets kindof annoying. Brian: "He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor, he stood up to the man and he gave him what for. Our love for him now, ain't hard to explain, the hero of canton the man they call Jayne" Just wait...

Well there IS a correlation between TSM content and WWE content. Unfortunately for us, it's only a one way street.

What's funny about the poster is that Angles expression is pretty much exactly the same as Coutures.

Though it was posted way too early, I like that poster. It seems like a poster you'd see in...well..an actual fight (Boxing, UFC or something like that). Almost gives it a big match feel. OK, I could be exagurating on that, but still. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I got that same vibe too. Reminded me of...

Is it the pilot? Because, to me, "Serenity" (the pilot) is essential to enjoying the whole series.

They better have sat him down in a booth and had him go over some of his matches. Bret Hart audio commentary would be the shit. The guy has a great memory and a great mind for wrestling, and as long as the don't Grisham him, it'd be great.

Curry and I are the biggest Tomkoholics out there. WE give a shit.

Well, Bret thinks Shawn being "changed" is complete bullshit, for one.

Maybe Shawn will induct Bret into the HOF and half way through the ceremony Earl Hebner inducts Shawn instead.

A lot of shit in there, and no Taker/Angle... still, his long WWE career profiled on disc should provide for some mighty nostalgia.

Well SOMEBODY has to, no one else can understand yall.