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Shouldn't Hogan/Shiek be on there.It is the start of the Hogan era.

When I made my top 100 lists for wwf and wcw I made sure to include that it was all my opinion.I think it lowers the arguing that way.

I meant which one everyone liked more.

This should be in poll form but I couldn't figure out how to start a poll.These were the top 2 angles of the monday night wars.Which did you think was better ?Please give some reasons for which one you liked more.

Remember a few years back where the lakers threw up a miracle shot with 0.4 left to beat the spurs and everyone complained that it was fixed.It wasn't.It was a miracle shot to end the game.THIS,however,was ridiculous since the refs ignored the timeout and ignored the intentional foul.

This is my pick as well.I wouldn't mind seeing the batb thread from that ppv either.There are a few other ppv threads I wouldn't mind seeing dug up like wm17,barely legal,survivor series 97 etc.

I agree that the opener shouldn't be the best match but you can't fault the guys if they steal the show.Lets break down some examples. Bret/Owen wm10- A good choice for the opener because the ladder match was still to come and bret winning the belt from yoko was the send the fans home happy main event they wanted. Pilman/Liger superbrawl 2- A good choice for an opener.It stole the show but other matches on the card could have topped it.Rude/Steamboat and Steiners/Eaton/Anderson could have been just as good of matches but turned out to be disapointing.You can't plan that.Sting/Luger was the send the fans home happy main event since sting won the belt. Rockers/Orient Express-Didn't matter what the opener was because it was still the early years for the rumble and nothing was going to take away from the rumble match. Rey/Psychosis Bash at the Beach-You can tell this was going to be match of the night.However,nothing was going to take away from the main event of that show. As far as some matches I thought were great openers.I'll go with rockers/barbarian/haku from wm7 or brainbusters/harts from summerslam 89.

I don't know if it would sell or not but how about the best of tag team wrestling 3 disc set.

I was going to do a top 50 most important moments in wwf/e list.I'm not sure if I'm going to do it because I would be stealing alot of the information from this article.This might be the best wrestling article I've ever read.I bumped it incase anyone wants to check it out who hasn't already.

I like it.I will make it my next project but it will take some time to put together.As far as leaving out official matches,I should,but something like the wm10 ladder match was pretty important for the wwf so I don't see how I can leave that off the list.While this will be just wwf/e,should I include outside promotion events on the list ?For example,nitro effected the wwf in a big way,same for the nwo and ecw.What do you think ?

top 50 most influential moments in wrestling history. That is a tough project to do.I would like to do the top 50 wwf/e moments like the one poster started.The tough part about that is the ground rules.Would a mmoment mean a match,a part of a match,a certain angle or a certain tv segment ?A moment could really be anything.Lmk what you think.

What list would everyone like to see next ?

CanadianChris-What choice do they have other than hogan/austin to fill the arena next year ?While it won't be a good match,it will be a pleasant waste of time like hogan/rock was.There is nobody they can build up for next year and draw a huge crowd.They have to go with hogan/austin.If nothing else,I would rather watch that than a john cena match. Btw,whoever said rock/hbk would be a good choice for next year had a good idea but I can't see vince putting two dream matches on the same show.

Obviously they will do hogan/austin at wm23 to fill the place and I think it will work.I almost get the feeling vince wrote this wrestlemania off because he knows the real money is in next years wm.

WOW,I can't believe I didn't think of flair/race.I was considering flair/bruno but didn't go with it.I also considered flair/steamboat but I thought hbk/steamboat was something that hadn't been done. I had many ideas for terry funk.The problem though was what to do with dory.That is why I put them in a tag match and I don't think funks/buldogs is too shabby of a matchup at all.Keep the ideas coming.

That is why it is fantasy.In the real world,neither man wanted to be the one to lay down which is why the match was scrapped. What other matches would everyone change ? Since I used everyone (I think),there were some obvious duds.Also,what were some good choices I made ?

I always thought valentine got the shaft from the iwc.Imo,he was a very good wrestler in his day. As for flair/rock,I think the rock from wm 17 vs flair from wm8 would make a great main event.Too many people are going to remember flair from the last few years when they should remember him from his awesome nwa run and his brief but great wwf run in 91-92.

NIGHT 7 SILVERDOME PONTIAC,MICHIGAN 1. STEINERS VS DOUG FURNAS/PHIL LAFON Winners: Steiners 28:39 2. RICK RUDE VS VAL VENIS Winner: Rick Rude 13:14 3. PAUL ORNDORFF VS RANDY ORTON Winner: Randy Orton 9:08 4: LA RESISTANCE VS KILLER BEES Winners: Killer Bees 5:44 5. VINCE MCMAHAN VS SHANE MCMAHAN Winner: Shane McMahan 14:27 INTERMISSION 6. BOB ORTON VS DON MURACO Winner: Don Muraco 7:30 7. ISLANDERS VS HEADSHRINKERS Winners: Islanders 6:34 8. RAVEN VS JAKE ROBERTS Winner: Jake Roberts 15:28 9. GIMMICK BATTLE ROYAL Winner: JIMMY SUPERFLY SNUKA 5:19 Participants included: Jimmy Snuka,The Goon,Giant Gonzalas,The Boogeyman,Doink,Duke Drose,Gobblede Gooker,Kimala,Tatanka,Skinner,George Steele,Koko B Ware,Adam Bomb,Uncle Elmer,Hillbilly Jim,Rhino,Red Rooster,Sika,Outlaw Ron Bass,Chyna (Chyna didn't belong in the gimmick battle royal but again I needed to fit her in somewhere.) 10. HULK HOGAN VS STEVE AUSTIN Winner: Steve Austin 21:57

NIGHT 6 SAFECO FIELD SEATTLE,WASHINGTON 1. CRUISERWEIGHT BATTLE ROYAL Last two left face each other in a singles match. Final two were Rey mysterio and X-Pac. Winner: REY MYSTERIO 20:35 Participants included : Rey Mysterio,X-Pac,Marty Jannetty,Chavo Guerrerro,Taka Michinoku,Funaki,Tom Zenk,Aguila,Grandmaster Sexay,Scotty 2 Hotty,Ultimo Dragon,Billy Kidman,Jamie noble,Nunzio,Tajiri,Shannon Moore,Akio,Mean Street Posse(msp were throw in as a joke and I needed 3 more to make 20 so there you go). 2. DEAN MALENKO VS GREG VALENTINE Winner: Greg Valentine 16:23 3. FAROOQ VS TONY ATLAS Winner: Farooq 3:04 4. HEADBANGERS VS THE HOLLYS Winners: The Hollys 7:46 5. RAZOR RAMON VS DEISEL Winner: Razor Ramon 16:12 INTERMISSION 6. ORIENT EXPRESS VS TENRYU/KITAO Winners: Tenryu/Kitao 3:22 7. HARLEY RACE VS KERRY VONERIC Winner: Kerry Voneric 10:47 8. DIAMOND DALLAS PAGE VS GOLDBERG Winner: Goldberg 8:13 9. MANAGER TAG MATCH BOBBY HEENAN,JIM CORNETTE,MICHAEL HAYES VS MR FUJI,KIMCHEE,BROTHER LOVE Winners: Heenan,Cornette,Hayes 3:56 10. RIC FLAIR VS THE ROCK Winner: The Rock 31:42

The reason toronto is the best is because I wanted all of the canadian wrestlers on the toronto card.Since some of the best wrestlers came from canada,it obviously has the best card from a workrate standpoint.

I will post the last 2 tomorrow.The idea was to use everyone who has competed at a wrestlemania.It is a lot tougher than it sounds.What does everyone think of the cards,what would you change and anyone else want to try this ?

NIGHT 5 ROSEMONT HORIZON CHICAGO,ILLINOIS 1. CARLITO/CHRIS MASTERS VS THE GODFATHER/DLO BROWN Winners: The Godfather/Dlo Brown 12:54 2. CRUSH VS AHMED JOHNSON Winner: Ahmed Johnson 5:43 3. ROCK N ROLL EXPRESS VS WORLD'S GREATEST TAG TEAM Winners: Wgtt 19:14 4. CELEBRITY FOOTBALL MATCH: LAWRENCE TAYLOR VS WILLIAM PERRY Winner: William Perry 5:36 5. VADER VS CACTUS JACK Winner: Cactus Jack 17:29 INTERMISSION 6. CHAINS,SKULL,EIGHT BALL VS MIGUEL,JOSE,JESUS Winners: DOA 7:02 7. JBL VS DAN SPIVEY Winner: Jbl 15:08 8. DEMOLITION VS LOD Winners: Lod 13:56 9. JOHN CENA VS RODDY PIPER Winner: Roddy Piper 13:20 10: ULTIMATE WARRIOR VS BROCK LESNAR Winner: Brock Lesnar 11:38

This has nothing to do with my best of lists.I did this because its wrestlemania time and I got the idea from the wrestlemania game thread.

NIGHT 4 HOOSIER DOME,INDIANAPOLIS,INDIANA 1. FIT FINLEY VS WILLIAM REGAL Winner: Fit Finley 15:26 2. POWERS OF PAIN VS TEST/ALBERT Winners: Powers of Pain 7:41 3. BAM BAM BIGELOW VS ROB VAN DAM Winner: Rob Van Dam 16:51 4. HARDY BOYS VS POWER AND GLORY Winners: Power and Glory 13:10 5: SID VS LEX LUGER Winner: Lex Luger 10:39 INTERMISSION 6. BIG JOHN STUDD/KING KONG BUNDY VS KANE/BIG SHOW Winners: Kane/Big Show 5:17 7. HONKY TONK MAN VS BRUTUS BEEFCAKE Winner: Honky Tonk Man 7:44 8. BIG BOSSMAN VS ONE MAN GANG Winner: Big Bossman 5:33 9. WOMAN'S BATTLE ROYAL Winner: SABLE 7:22 Participants included:Alundra Blayze,Lelani Kai,Velvet Mcentire,Fabulous Moolah,Saphire,Luna Vachon,Sable,Tori,Terri Runnels,Stacey Keibler,Torrie Wilson,Ivory,The Kat,Lita,Jazz,Victoria,Jackie Gayda,Molly Holly,Christy Hemme,Mickie James,Candice 10. HHH VS RANDY SAVAGE Winner: Randy Savage 32:17

NIGHT 3 MSG 1. BRAINBUSTERS VS BARRY WINDHAM/MIKE ROTUNDO Winners: Brainbusters 27:45 2. BOXING MATCH: MR. T VS BUTTERBEAN Special Ref MIKE TYSON Winner: Butterbean 1:10 Rd 2 3. JUNKYARD DOG VS BAD NEWS BROWN Winner: Bad News Brown 4:23 4. IRON SHIEK,BOLSHIVICKS VS SGT SLAUGHTER,HACKSAW DUGGAN,CPL KIRSCHNER Winners: Slaughter,Duggan,Kirschner 6:18 5. BRUNO SAMMARTINO VS BOB BACKLUND Winner: Bruno Sammartino 20:49 INTERMISSION 6. ADRIAN ADONIS VS PEDRO MORALAS Winner: Pedro Moralas 12:35 7. STRIKE FORCE VS QUEBECKERS Winners: Quebeckers 15:32 8. KEN SHAMROCK VS TAZ Winner: Taz 6:20 9. NASTY BOYS VS DUDLEY BOYS Winners: Dudley Boys 10. ANDRE THE GIANT VS THE UNDERTAKER Winner: Undertaker 12:16