The Old School questions thread

[JoeDirt 0]

Why did Warrior take time off between Summerslam 1991 and Wrestlemania 8?

 

Was anyone else ever considered to be the guy who got to beat Hogan and WM6?

[MDH257 0]

Why did Warrior take time off between Summerslam 1991 and Wrestlemania 8?

I think it was a contract dispute. He wanted more money.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

This thread has been around for almost 2 years... I hope someone documents all the info for future historians...

[Jericholic82 0]

Why was the LOD on RAW in 03 against RVD/Kane?

Because Hawk and Animal showed up at TNA like two weeks prior.

That was so great yet so sucky at the same time. Great because I thought the LOD were back again. Sucky because I thought the LOD were back again.

Yea and Hawk no sold the frogsplash too lmao

[JJ Johnson 0]

Which makes your listen for today something that Triple H would say if he did a five-star frogsplash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No-sell the Five-star and DIE

[Guest jm29195]

Which makes your listen for today something that Triple H would say if he did a five-star frogsplash.

 

 

 

 

No-sell the Five-star and DIE

 

 

 

 

To be fair the man did once take a fivestar frogsplash to the throat (EC SS02), sustained a crushed Larnyx but carried on wrestling for a further 30 minutes, that was RVD's last ppv main-event by the way......

[JJ Johnson 0]

I was talking about if HHH's finisher was the 5*, because his attitude towards the Pedigree is pretty much "no-sell the Pedigree and die"

[Guest jm29195]

Yeah HHH no sold having a crushed throat and RVD never main evented again!

[JoeDirt 0]

I know this has been answered before, but what was the exact date of the first ever Royal Rumble? (I believe it was a house show in St. Louis?)

[BHK 0]

WWF @ St. Louis, MO - Arena - October 4, 1987

Nikolai Volkoff pinned Hillbilly Jim

Don Muraco pinned Bob Orton Jr.

The One Man Gang pinned the Junkyard Dog

Davey Boy Smith & Billy Jack Haynes defeated Demolition via disqualification

Billy Jack Haynes defeated King Kong Bundy via count-out

Paul Orndorff defeated Rick Rude via count-out

WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri pinned Velvet McIntyre by using the tights for leverage after a crossbody from the challenger resulted in Sherri rolling on top for the win

The One Man Gang won a Royal Rumble when both he and the Junkyard Dog went over the top at the same time after 12 minutes; pre-match stipulations stated the winner would earn a world title shot for the next show in St. Louis on 11/7 but OMG's title shot was announced during intermission, angering fans

 

Credit: theHistoryofwwe.com

[JoeDirt 0]

Thanks BHK.

 

Another question...was there ever a plan to do a Diesel/HBK rematch at Wrestlemania 12? Was putting the title on Bret at Survivor Series a late decision, or was the plan always to do HBK/Bret at Wrestlemania?

[Guest jm29195]

Another question...was there ever a plan to do a Diesel/HBK rematch at Wrestlemania 12? Was putting the title on Bret at Survivor Series a late decision, or was the plan always to do HBK/Bret at Wrestlemania?

 

 

 

I think it was always the plan to job Bret to Shawn at WM12- I remember hearing at the time that Bret was upset to be used as a transitional champion to Shawn, this may have been the start of the Bret/Shawn troubles even....

[JoeDirt 0]

Looking through this week's wrestling quiz on the Wrestling Observer webpage, I was wondering what the answers to these to questions are:

 

8. Larry Zbysko got some heat when someone he was feuding with suddenly passed away from a drug overdose. Larry went on Nitro thereafter and said that he had some comments on that person, but in respect for his family, he wouldn't say them. Some took it as Larry not dropping a feud for storyline reasons, which shouldn't have mattered because jeez, the guy just died. What WCW mid-carder was Larry feuding with at the time?

 

10. In 1995, America was deeply engulfed in the case and trial of OJ Simpson. What wrestler tastelessly went on WCW television with a black glove and threatened everyone that we all know what people in black gloves are capable of?

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8. Larry Zbysko got some heat when someone he was feuding with suddenly passed away from a drug overdose. Larry went on Nitro thereafter and said that he had some comments on that person, but in respect for his family, he wouldn't say them. Some took it as Larry not dropping a feud for storyline reasons, which shouldn't have mattered because jeez, the guy just died. What WCW mid-carder was Larry feuding with at the time?

That was Louie Spicoli who passed away while he was fueding with Zybsko alongside Scott Hall.

[cawthon777 0]

I know this has been answered before, but what was the exact date of the first ever Royal Rumble? (I believe it was a house show in St. Louis?)

There may have been one earlier than the 87 card. A lot of people out there (perhaps even Meltzer) claim JYD won the first, so there may have been another Rumble held in St. Louis maybe in 86.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

#10 is Hulk Hogan, right before World War 3 1995 on Nitro.

[JHawk 0]

Looking through this week's wrestling quiz on the Wrestling Observer webpage, I was wondering what the answers to these to questions are:

 

8. Larry Zbysko got some heat when someone he was feuding with suddenly passed away from a drug overdose. Larry went on Nitro thereafter and said that he had some comments on that person, but in respect for his family, he wouldn't say them. Some took it as Larry not dropping a feud for storyline reasons, which shouldn't have mattered because jeez, the guy just died. What WCW mid-carder was Larry feuding with at the time?

 

10. In 1995, America was deeply engulfed in the case and trial of OJ Simpson. What wrestler tastelessly went on WCW television with a black glove and threatened everyone that we all know what people in black gloves are capable of?

Maybe Zbyszko really didn't like the guy and wanted to be nice. Only Larry knows for sure, and as far as I know, nobody's ever confronted him on it.

[MDH257 0]

I think WCW, on televison, wasn't sure how they wanted to deal with Spicoli's death and told Zbysko not to break character.

 

Aside from the graphic at the begining and Zbysko's comment, Spicoli's death wasn't disscussed at any other time on the show. He was a member of the nWo at the time and none of them mentioned it.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

1. What was the deal with Barry Windham in 1989? I have a collector's card that portrayed him as the "Widowmaker," and I remember seeing him wrestling on a couple episodes of Superstars, but I don't remember him being pushed, or even in any kind of high-profile match at all. As I recall, he was originally booked as the 4th member of the Kings Court at Survivor Series '89, but was replaced by (Canadian) Earthquake. Why was his run in '89 so short, and why didn't he get any sort of push?

 

 

 

2. Why did Dusty Rhodes allow himself to be degraded with that whole polka dot thing during his second (?) WWF run? I mean, I can kind of see allowing yourself to be humiliated if you'd negotiated a title reign, but not only do I not remember Rhodes ever holding any title in the WWF, but I don't remember him ever even rising above the upper midcard; did Rhodes ever main event a televised show?

 

 

 

3. Somewhat related question for Ronnie Garvin. He went from being a former NWA Champion (transtional champ, but still) to being pretty much midcard for the length of his brief WWF run; what was the point? And what was the story behind the "Hammer Jammer?"

 

 

 

4. Why did the Rougeaus break up? Did Raymond want to retire, or was he fired? Was RR '90 their last televised match? And what was Jacques doing between the time that the Rougeaus broke up and when become the Mountie?

 

4a. Were the Rougeaus ever considered to get a run with the Tag belts? And, if so, why didn't it happen?

 

 

 

5. Why did Warrior use to carry jobbers backstage after he beat them?

 

 

 

6. I recently acquired an "unedited" copy of WM5 (thanks Wrestleholic) and two things stood out to me: #1 - they cut out a shitload from a lot of matches in the edit I saw back in the early '90s (Harts vs. Honky/Hammer being perhaps the biggest violation), and #2 - They had a promo with Sensational Sherri just before the above-mentioned match, where she clowned on Rockin' Robin singing America the Beautiful (and she was really bad), and talking about how she was going to regain the Women's Title. As far as I know, whatever was left of the Women's Division promptly went into the mothballs right afterwards, so what ever happened between Sherri and Robin?

[MDH257 0]

3. Somewhat related question for Ronnie Garvin. He went from being a former NWA Champion (transtional champ, but still) to being pretty much midcard for the length of his brief WWF run; what was the point? And what was the story behind the "Hammer Jammer?"

 

4. Why did the Rougeaus break up? Did Raymond want to retire, or was he fired?

 

5. Why did Warrior use to carry jobbers backstage after he beat them?

3.) Garvin was a midcarder, though a popular one, in the NWA. He got the title because he was the only one they were willing to job to Flair at Starrcade '87.

The fans rejected Garvin as champion. When he lost the title he got booed on his way to the ring and they cheered when Flair won.

 

In '89 Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine started wearing a shin guard, he gave it a name but I don't remember what it was.

He said it was to rehab an injury, but the jobbers he faced all sold the figure four as if the shin guard made it even more painful. Valentine was fueding with Garvin. Garvin started to wear his own shin guard and called it 'The Hammer Jammer'. When they wrestled each other at RR '90, Valentine put Garvin in the figure four but it had no effect because Garvin was wearing 'The Hammer Jammer'. Later in the match Valentine had another chance to apply the figure four and that time he made sure to take the shin guard off of Garvin.

 

4.) I think RR'90 was there last WWF match. Not sure if they quit or were fired, but Raymond decided to retire eiter way.

 

5.) I think it was leading to the angle before SS'89 where Heenen distracted Warrior in the aisle so Andre could attack him.

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1. What was the deal with Barry Windham in 1989? I have a collector's card that portrayed him as the "Widowmaker," and I remember seeing him wrestling on a couple episodes of Superstars, but I don't remember him being pushed, or even in any kind of high-profile match at all. As I recall, he was originally booked as the 4th member of the Kings Court at Survivor Series '89, but was replaced by (Canadian) Earthquake. Why was his run in '89 so short, and why didn't he get any sort of push?

 

Pretty sure he was injured just before Survivor Series. He was supposed to be in the Rumble but pulled out and left the WWF because his dad, Blackjack Mulligan, and brother, Kendall Windham, got into some trouble with counterfieting and Barry didn't want to get Vince mixed up in it by being Barry's employer. So for that reason he left.

 

2. Why did Dusty Rhodes allow himself to be degraded with that whole polka dot thing during his second (?) WWF run? I mean, I can kind of see allowing yourself to be humiliated if you'd negotiated a title reign, but not only do I not remember Rhodes ever holding any title in the WWF, but I don't remember him ever even rising above the upper midcard; did Rhodes ever main event a televised show?

 

The story I always heard was that Dusty bet Vince he could get over no matter what gimmick he was saddled with. By then, Dusty was pretty much done with full time wrestling. From Vince's standpoint, what's the point in putting Dusty over the top guys like Savage, Dibiase, etc when they are in their prime and Dusty's far past his?

 

4. Why did the Rougeaus break up? Did Raymond want to retire, or was he fired? Was RR '90 their last televised match? And what was Jacques doing between the time that the Rougeaus broke up and when become the Mountie?

 

Raymond did retire and the 90 Rumble was their last match because of that. Don't know the rest of the answers.

 

4a. Were the Rougeaus ever considered to get a run with the Tag belts? And, if so, why didn't it happen?

 

In that era, I doubt it. The Rougeaus were largely just a comedy team. I don't mean that to sound bad but they were the 80s equivalent to what Christian is today. Very talented, very over, but in the era of Demolition, the Powers of Pain, the Colossal Connection, etc - they weren't going to be the top team.

 

6. I recently acquired an "unedited" copy of WM5 (thanks Wrestleholic) and two things stood out to me: #1 - they cut out a shitload from a lot of matches in the edit I saw back in the early '90s (Harts vs. Honky/Hammer being perhaps the biggest violation), and #2 - They had a promo with Sensational Sherri just before the above-mentioned match, where she clowned on Rockin' Robin singing America the Beautiful (and she was really bad), and talking about how she was going to regain the Women's Title. As far as I know, whatever was left of the Women's Division promptly went into the mothballs right afterwards, so what ever happened between Sherri and Robin?

 

The women's title died during the summer of 89. Nothing happened between the two. By the time of WrestleMania V, Sherri had already debuted as Savage's new manager (to air after the PPV).

[Betty Houle 0]

If Wrestlemania 13 was originally supposed to be Hart-Michaels, who would Austin's match been with? Any facts? Any speculation? Anyone?

[JoeDirt 0]

If Wrestlemania 13 was originally supposed to be Hart-Michaels, who would Austin's match been with? Any facts? Any speculation? Anyone?

He was feuding late 1996 and in early 1997 with Bulldog, so I always thought that might have been his match. The way I see it:

 

HBK vs. Hart

Undertaker vs. Sid

Austin vs. Bulldog

6-man streetfight

Rock vs. Owen

Goldust vs. HHH

Vader/Mankind vs. Furnas/Lafon

 

Something like that.

[deancoles 0]

If Wrestlemania 13 was originally supposed to be Hart-Michaels, who would Austin's match been with? Any facts? Any speculation? Anyone?

He was feuding late 1996 and in early 1997 with Bulldog, so I always thought that might have been his match. The way I see it:

 

HBK vs. Hart

Undertaker vs. Sid

Austin vs. Bulldog

6-man streetfight

Rock vs. Owen

Goldust vs. HHH

Vader/Mankind vs. Furnas/Lafon

 

Something like that.

Marc Mero was originally going to get the IC Title match before his injury.

[JoeDirt 0]

1) Was there a bigger push ever planned for Tatanka? Going undefeated for almost 2 years is crazy, even at the time period. Did they lose faith in him in 1993, causing them to have him get beaten by Borga? Or did they never really ever have any big plans for him? And if not, why have him go so long without losing?

 

2) May be a stupid question, but were there ever talks of having Team WWF lose at Survivor Series 2001, just for shock value? Maybe run an angle leading to Mania where the WWF got to return?

 

3) Was the Invasion angle originally planned to go on much longer, and they just cut their losses by ending it at Survivor Series?

 

4) Is there anywhere that lists how many buys old WWF and WCW PPVs got?

[cawthon777 0]

2) May be a stupid question, but were there ever talks of having Team WWF lose at Survivor Series 2001, just for shock value? Maybe run an angle leading to Mania where the WWF got to return?

If there weren't talks, there should have been talks.

 

I kinda expected the Alliance to win that match for that sole reason.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

If the point of Demolition was, originally, to make fun of the Road Warriors, then what was the point of bringing in the Powers of Pain? They looked more like Hawk and Animal than Ax and Smash did, so what were they going for?

 

What was the kayfabe reason for breaking the PoP up, and when was their last match as a team? I ask mostly because I don't remember when LoD made their WWF debut, and was a little curious as to whether or not they ever faced each other in the WWF?

[JHawk 0]

If the point of Demolition was, originally, to make fun of the Road Warriors, then what was the point of bringing in the Powers of Pain? They looked more like Hawk and Animal than Ax and Smash did, so what were they going for?

 

What was the kayfabe reason for breaking the PoP up, and when was their last match as a team? I ask mostly because I don't remember when LoD made their WWF debut, and was a little curious as to whether or not they ever faced each other in the WWF?

The PoP were brought in for two reasons.

 

1. To feud with Demolition since the gimmicks were similar.

2. To fuck with Jim Crockett.

 

As for the reason they broke up, it was before WrestleMania VI when Mr. Fuji sold their contracts. Warlord went to Slick. The Barbarian went to Bobby Heenan. The LOD made their debut at a TV taping three months later, so they never faced each other in the WWF...but they were feuding in the NWA/Jim Crockett Promotions when the POP signed with the WWF.

 

The interesting thing is people who watched both WWF and JCP in 1988 labeled the POP cowards for leaving in the middle of the feud with the Road Warriors. And it's just my opinion, but I think that's one of the reasons the POP never got over as faces, the other reason being, obviously, that Demolition was already getting face pops and were considered the originals by WWF fans.

[JoeDirt 0]

Was Earthquake ever pinned by anybody on a televised WWF event? I can't think of any PPV or TV match where he was, though I know Warrior pinned him in a match that ended up on the Wrestlefest 1991 tape.

[Jericholic82 0]

I think WCW, on televison, wasn't sure how they wanted to deal with Spicoli's death and told Zbysko not to break character.

 

Aside from the graphic at the begining and Zbysko's comment, Spicoli's death wasn't disscussed at any other time on the show. He was a member of the nWo at the time and none of them mentioned it.

Yea that was akward. Actually Louie wasn't an official nWo member. He was helping out Hall and wore an nWo shirt, but they never said he was in the group (Although I can't see why, considering theyw ere letting all kidns of jobbers into the group at the time)