The Old School questions thread

[Guest fanofcoils]

Would Hogan/Warrior II be better if in Warrior's debut in WCW he tells Hogan that he beat Hogan at Wrestlemania 6, Hogan cannot beat him, and that he is better than Hogan. Then the nWo turn on Hogan and join the Warrior and the One Warrior Nation is formed. Hogan turns back to red and yellow and faces heel Warrior with the One Warrior Nation at Halloween Havoc and he beats Warrior clean in a classic match like the 1st one. What do you think?

[MDH257 0]

No

[Lil' Bitch 0]

You know I always felt the rematch with Warrior should have been booked with Warrior beating Hogan again and helping him revert back to wearing red and yellow and toppling the nWo so that they can reform as the Ultimate Powers once again. At least that would have been a better story than what actually happened.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Alright, Kevin Nash being in the hospital led to discussion of his heart attack that kept him from jobbing to The Giant at Starrcade and made me think of this: Could Nash take the chokeslam? If not, how was he supposed to lose? Botched nWo interference? The legendary Giant Moonsault?

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It wasn't a heart attack. It 'turned out' to be just heartburns, but nobody bought that Nash was ill to begin with, and it was just his way of getting out of doing a job. And the finish was meant to be a clean job to Giant.

[MDH257 0]

Yeah, I heard it was "bad intigestion". Nash was able to get sympathy backstage because Meltzer said he has a legit history of heart disease in his family, but his "heart scare" put the "boy who cried wolf" tag on him (at least in my mind since Starrcade was what came to mind when I heard about what happened to him over the weekend).

[Si82 0]

I just watched "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" DVD this morning and during the part on his second WWF run it features a still of poster. The poster is advertising an event on which Warrior was supposed to face Vader. However, above the Warriors name it says "Federation Championship Match" and indicates Warrior as being champion.

 

My question is, were there any plans to make Warrior WWF back in 1996? If not, then what's going on with that poster?

[cawthon777 0]

My question is, were there any plans to make Warrior WWF back in 1996? If not, then what's going on with that poster?

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It's a fake, plain and simple. Shawn Michaels was too hot in 1996 to lose the belt that quickly to a fellow babyface.

 

If you go to this page and scroll down to the July 25th poster, you can see the original ad. All they did was take Shawn out and put Warrior in - http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/96a.htm

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I noticed on some of the Wrestlemania The Legacy tapes, there's stuff that's not on the CHV tapes. Savage and Steamboat pre-match interviews from WM 3 for example. Are these available on the Wrestlemania Collection edition tapes also or Legacy only? It makes me want to get all 3 sets just to see what's there and not.

 

Or are the Legacy tapes the same as the Collection ones except with the WWF stratch logo replacing the classic logo?

[MillenniumMan831 0]

As far as I can tell, The Collection (I-XIII) are the full ppv broadcasts w/ intermissions cut out. XI is Encore Plus w/ Roddy Piper for some reason. And there are no scratch logos on the Collection. Only the logos done from X-XIII.

[Si82 0]

My question is, were there any plans to make Warrior WWF back in 1996? If not, then what's going on with that poster?

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It's a fake, plain and simple. Shawn Michaels was too hot in 1996 to lose the belt that quickly to a fellow babyface.

 

If you go to this page and scroll down to the July 25th poster, you can see the original ad. All they did was take Shawn out and put Warrior in - http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/96a.htm

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I didn't think they would have given the title to Warrior, thanks cawthon.

 

I wonder why they just didn't find an actual poster with Warriors name on it.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Just to add confirmation, yes, the Collection (1-13) are full PPV broadcasts. If something was a CHV exclusive, it's not on. Likewise, if something was cut from CHV, it's there. This is why WrestleMania V is almost 4 hours long (the longest WM until 2004) and actually is probably over 4 hours since intermission is removed from the tape, yet for years most people thought it was WM IV that was the longest. I had heard from someone on IRC (I think) way back in the day that The Legacy (WM 1 - XIV, scratch logo box) was the cut versions but I do not know if this is true or not.

 

Anyway, here's something that I found odd: I started watching wrestling in 1991 and the Orient Express was Tanaka and Kato. When I watched PPVs from the 90s, I saw it was Saito and Tanaka. I thought Kato replaced Saito (or Sato) in 1991 or so and that was it. However, upon watching the SummerSlam Spectacular from 1991, I was surprised to see Steamboat/Tornado/Bulldog face all 3 members of the OE. Where the heck was Saito between Survivor Series 90 and that broadcast, and was he ever seen after that?

 

I just read on OWW that Sato was Shinja (Hakushi's manager) as well. Didn't know that.

[Boner Kawanger 0]

Alright, Kevin Nash being in the hospital led to discussion of his heart attack that kept him from jobbing to The Giant at Starrcade and made me think of this: Could Nash take the chokeslam? If not, how was he supposed to lose? Botched nWo interference? The legendary Giant Moonsault?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It wasn't a heart attack. It 'turned out' to be just heartburns, but nobody bought that Nash was ill to begin with, and it was just his way of getting out of doing a job. And the finish was meant to be a clean job to Giant.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Okay, I know it wasn't a real heart attack, I should have made that clear. What I'm asking is, could Nash take the Chokeslam or would they have had to find another way for The Giant to beat him clean?

[pochorenella 0]

Alright, Kevin Nash being in the hospital led to discussion of his heart attack that kept him from jobbing to The Giant at Starrcade and made me think of this: Could Nash take the chokeslam? If not, how was he supposed to lose? Botched nWo interference? The legendary Giant Moonsault?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It wasn't a heart attack. It 'turned out' to be just heartburns, but nobody bought that Nash was ill to begin with, and it was just his way of getting out of doing a job. And the finish was meant to be a clean job to Giant.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Okay, I know it wasn't a real heart attack, I should have made that clear. What I'm asking is, could Nash take the Chokeslam or would they have had to find another way for The Giant to beat him clean?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

He took a Chokeslam from Undertaker back in WMXII so I guess he should be able to take another no prob.

[Boner Kawanger 0]

Okay, thanks. I was thinking that he didn't take one at WM and couldn't remember him ever doing it in WCW.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Just to add confirmation, yes, the Collection (1-13) are full PPV broadcasts. If something was a CHV exclusive, it's not on. Likewise, if something was cut from CHV, it's there. This is why WrestleMania V is almost 4 hours long (the longest WM until 2004) and actually is probably over 4 hours since intermission is removed from the tape, yet for years most people thought it was WM IV that was the longest. I had heard from someone on IRC (I think) way back in the day that The Legacy (WM 1 - XIV, scratch logo box) was the cut versions but I do not know if this is true or not.

 

Anyway, here's something that I found odd: I started watching wrestling in 1991 and the Orient Express was Tanaka and Kato. When I watched PPVs from the 90s, I saw it was Saito and Tanaka. I thought Kato replaced Saito (or Sato) in 1991 or so and that was it. However, upon watching the SummerSlam Spectacular from 1991, I was surprised to see Steamboat/Tornado/Bulldog face all 3 members of the OE. Where the heck was Saito between Survivor Series 90 and that broadcast, and was he ever seen after that?

 

I just read on OWW that Sato was Shinja (Hakushi's manager) as well. Didn't know that.

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You are right that Sato started with Tanaka as the Orient Express. As far as I remember, when Kato came in, he replaced Sato, who I believe left the WWF. I believe he was only brought back for that one SS match, because they wanted a heel trio for the three popular babyfaces to go over, and that was it.

 

Checking Obsessed with Wrestling, Akio Sato actually had a long career before even coming to the WWF, as his debut was in 1970. I wonder if maybe he left due to health/age reasons?

[Si82 0]

Does anyone know why the hell Masahiro Chono burst in during a Vampiro interview at WCW Souled Out 2000? Did it lead to an angle or match between the two?

[Guest jm29195]

Does anyone know why the hell Masahiro Chono burst in during a Vampiro interview at WCW Souled Out 2000? Did it lead to an angle or match between the two?

 

 

As far as I can recall the only televised WCW Chono had was on the Nitro after Souled Out- Chono/Super J beat Rick Steiner/Mike Rotunda when J reversed a cradle on Steiner...

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Heres a question - how fucking stupid was the New Blood Rising PPV?

 

I downloaded it this week, and its just terrible. First they run a terribly obvious worked shoot "pregnancy in danger" angle with Kiebler, then in the Golberg vs Steiner vs Nash match they have Goldberg walk out shortly after escaping a Jacknife Powerbomb and Schiavone actually says something along the lines of:

 

"What are they going to do here, if that Jacknife was planned? Improvise a finish?"

 

I know this was Russo era stuff, but why the hell did even he think blatantly exposing matches as works was a good idea?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Heres a question - how fucking stupid was the New Blood Rising PPV?

 

I know this was Russo era stuff, but why the hell did even he think blatantly exposing matches as works was a good idea?

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I know this was Russo era stuff,

There is your answer. Russo was a complete idiot. He wanted wrestling exposed so people would know there were writers like him, and so Russo could be seen as meaning something, because he was in need, and still is in need, of adulation, to feed his huge ego.

[King Kamala 0]

I was reading the Wikipedia entry on Bret Hart and I know this is probably one of those dumb mistakes that Wikipedia usually has, but it said that Bret Hart was being considered to play Batman for the Batman movie after Batman and Robin in the late 90s (The movie would eventually become Batman Begins). I just don't see this as being anything more than a BUTT stupid rumor.

 

Is there any vague truth to this rumor? Cause I just can't buy someone seriously thinking The Hitman could play The Caped Crusader.

[cawthon777 0]

I never heard anything regarding that and considering Bret's health, I don't think he could physically do it.

 

Nevermind the fact he's an unknown in Hollywood.

[King Kamala 0]

Well this is an old rumor (according to the article) circa 98-99 (From after Batman and Robin came out). Still, I don't even think Bret at his prime, as much as I like him, could pull of the role of the caped crusader very well.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Well, he did have his semi-regular role on that one TV show, Lonesome Dove. So I wouldn't say he was a "complete unknown." But yeah, him playing Batman probably would've been a huge stretch.

[alfdogg 0]

I've been watching the Royal Rumble matches over the last week or so, and I had a few questions.

 

1) When/why was the decision made to vacate the WWF title and put it on Flair via the Royal Rumble, if that wasn't always a plan? Would Flair have won the Rumble anyway?

 

2) Why was Owen just sent out to be fed to Diesel in '94 right after the big heel turn? Even as an 11 year old when it happened, I felt that he should have been given a big run in the match. Only thing I can think of is they wanted to keep him and Bret away from each other until the actual match.

 

3) Why were there only 60-second intervals in '95? (I'm actually watching this one right now)

[cawthon777 0]

1) When/why was the decision made to vacate the WWF title and put it on Flair via the Royal Rumble, if that wasn't always a plan?  Would Flair have won the Rumble anyway?

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I'm sure it was probably decided upon in the late fall. The standard is to have a heel world champion going into WrestleMania and they were obviously testing Hogan / Flair beginning in October.

 

So the Hogan / Taker matches gave them a way to get the belt off Hulk without him actually doing a clean job. Then he can chase Flair.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Did Bret Hart ever wrestle Rick Rude?

 

Bret Hart's final match was against Kevin Nash in WCW, but weren't they in the nWo together? What was up with that?

 

What started these feuds:

 

Roberts / Honky Tonk Man (What was the blow-off?)

 

Savage / Rhodes

 

3) Why were there only 60-second intervals in '95? (I'm actually watching this one right now)

 

I'm guessing either because they made the IC and WWF Championship matches so long (combined, they almost took up an hour!) or probably Shawn wasn't physically fit enough to endure an entire hour since he was the first guy. Or both.

[cawthon777 0]

Did Bret Hart ever wrestle Rick Rude?

 

Bret Hart's final match was against Kevin Nash in WCW, but weren't they in the nWo together?  What was up with that?

 

What started these feuds:

 

Roberts / Honky Tonk Man (What was the blow-off?)

 

Savage / Rhodes

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

1) To the best of my knowledge, no.

 

2) Terry Funk was "booking" the show and wanted to kill the nWo by making Bret and Nash face one another.

 

3) It started from Honky hitting Jake with his guitar on the Snake Pit. Don't believe there was a blow off. Jake missed a bunch of dates because he was in no condition to work.

 

4) Best of my knowledge, Savage / Rhodes started at the Rumble 90 and ended at the Oct 90 SNME. It basically ended at Summer Slam though.

[alfdogg 0]

How did the Bulldogs get eliminated at the first Survivor Series? I have the Coliseum version of the show, and their elimination is completely clipped out.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

IIRC, Dynamite tried a 2nd rope headbutt on Haku and it backfired as Haku is from the islands of course. Haku then finished him off w/ a thrust kick.

[Guest Ransome]

I hear that Men on a Mission got an unplanned title reign in 1994 when their opponents couldn't kick out of Mabel's pin, is that true? Are there any other examples of wrestlers going against the planned script and winning titles they weren't supposed to?

 

I ask because I just watched a Best of WWE 2002 tape, including the Undertaker vs Jeff Hardy ladder match. When Hardy is reaching for the title, I've always wondered what the repercussions would have been if Hardy had thought "Screw it" and unhooked the title to win the match, forcing the commentators (and WWE) to acknowledge it.