The Old School questions thread

[Guest JesusJuiced]

Was Shamrock leaving WWF in '99, a mutual decision or had WWF just given up on the guy?

[cawthon777 0]

I don't really know what you mean by "given up on the guy". He was one of the more over midcard babyfaces at the time.

[MDH257 0]

Was Shamrock leaving WWF in '99, a mutual decision or had WWF just given up on the guy?

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Shamrock wanted one last MMA run as he was pushing 40 and felt he needed to do it then. Meltzer said Ken figured he give his MMA comback 2 years or so, then go back to WWF/E. But, he's still at it.

[Guest J0bber]

Was Shamrock leaving WWF in '99, a mutual decision or had WWF just given up on the guy?

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Speaking of this, I remember the WWF coming up with some bullshit excuse for him leaving in their magazine like "he thought the product was unsuitable for children".

[Guest Greg Valentine]

I was watching Summerslam 94 last night and got to wondering why Captain Lou was brought back to manage the Headshrinkers. And what is he doing nowdays? And did he really manage 20 tag team champions? And what was the reason for the Samu/Seone switch? Any help?

[snuffbox 0]

Iirc, it happened on Raw in the summer of '94. Lou Albano returned and wanted to win another tag team title to end the Quebeccers long heel reign at the time. Headshrinkers turned face and won the belts.

 

Lou did manage alot of tag champs in the 70s/80s, as a heel. Off the top of my head there was the Yukon Lumberjacks, Moondogs, Samoans, Fuji/Someone Else, and at least 5 others. Almost every heel tag champs of that period was with Capt Lou. He managed a couple of faces after the Lauper turn as well. I think he was tag champ himself with Tony Altimore.

[cawthon777 0]

The Valiants

The Moondogs

Fuji & Saito

The Bulldogs

The Lumberjacks

The Wild Samoans

The Headshrinkers

Baron Mikel Scicluna & Curtis Iaukea

The Blackjacks

 

He was also managing Ivan Koloff when Koloff took the belt from Bruno.

 

It's possible he managed Tarzan Tyler & Luke Graham, the Executioners, Tanaka & Fuji, and the Mongols during their title runs as well. Albano was the default heel tag team manager for 15 years.

 

As far as his return in 94, here's a little info:

 

WWF @ Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center - February 21, 1994

Monday Night Raw: taping

Road to WrestleMania X - 3/13/94: WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars defeated Tony DeVito & PJ Walker following the Boston Crab / legdrop off the top combo; during the bout, Capt. Lou Albano appeared at ringside to watch the match

 

WWF @ Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center - March 21, 1994

Monday Night Raw taping:

3/21/94:

WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars (w/ Johnny Polo) defeated the Bushwhackers in a non-title match at 8:44 after Pierre connected with a knee to Butch's back; after the bout, Capt. Lou Albano came out and challenged the champions to face a team of his choosing

3/28/94 - Jim Cornette did guest commentary for the show; included Cornette conducting an in-ring interview with WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars and Johnny Polo in which Capt. Lou Albano came out to interrupt; moments later, Albano went backstage and returned with the Headshrinkers and Afa

 

WWF @ Utica, NY - Memorial Auditorium - April 11, 1994

Monday Night Raw taping:

4/25/94 - featured a closing segment in which Johnny Polo came ringside to confront Capt. Lou Albano

 

WWF @ Burlington, VT - Green Mountain State - April 26, 1994 (2,500; sell out)

Monday Night Raw taping:

5/2/94:

The Headshrinkers (w/ Afa & Capt. Lou Albano) defeated WWF Tag Team Champions the Quebecars (w/ Johnny Polo) to win the titles when Fatu pinned Jacques with the splash off the top at 9:01

[Guest fanofcoils]

Why wasn't Monsoon announcing with Heenan at Summerslam and Survivor Series 92? Health problems?

[Guest Greg Valentine]

Thanks for the Capt. Lou/Headshrinkers info, I actually remember watching that all on tv now. Speaking of old tv, when did Wrestling Challenge begin and end? I vaguely remember it becoming a recap show in its final weeks with Dok Hendrix in some sort of tricked out WWF style rec room with all sorts of PPV posters and a leather couch introducing clips of stuff, does that sound familiar to anyone?

[The Decemberists 0]

Does anyone know how close Vader was to joining ECW when he left the WWF and what Paul E's plans were for him, if he had any?

 

I was watching his RF Shoot the other day and at the end they all seem to be hinting very strongely that he'd be coming aboard.

[Guest jm29195]

Does anyone know how close Vader was to joining ECW when he left the WWF and what Paul E's plans were for him, if he had any?

 

I was watching his RF Shoot the other day and at the end they all seem to be hinting very strongely that he'd be coming aboard.

 

 

I heard he was supposed to be coming in at November to Remember 98 either as an opponent for Taz or as part of the match with Dreamer/Credible- either he balked at jobbing to Taz or the deal didn't go through and they used Roberts instead...

[Guest Edgehead]

Im thinking this Willie the the Worker was Bill Goldberg. Bill Banks works on 1wrestling.com and he is friends with Goldberg. Goldberg's critisism on WWE is also well documented.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Willie was prior to WrestleMania XIX though.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

It was RVD.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Couple ECW Questions:

 

- At Heatwave 1999, what did Taz use that was so heinous to choke Tajiri out? The camera angle was very wide but it appeared that it was a piece of fencing from the entrance but that couldn't have been it . . . seeing as how whatever he used got the crowd to chant "Holy Shit!"

 

- Just finished watching Guilty as Charged 2000. Did Mike Awesome really knock that girl's teeth out w/ a clothesline? They showed the clip and it looked like it could have been a blood capsule at first, but the promo w/ Spike and his girlfriend showed her looking like Bushwhacker Luke. Maybe she was wearing false teeth before. Either way, the clothesline was pretty brutal.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Tazz was using barbed wire, though it might have been rubber. The long shot was because TNN people were there, and they didn't want anything that graphic, and ECW were wanting to play safe as they were finalizing the deal to go to TNN.

 

No, Awesome didn't actually knock her teeth out. They were false teeth, and it was a blood capsule. Still a great angle, though.

[Guest *KNK*]

The original plan for WMX8 was Hogan Vs Austin; correct? If so, when did they find out Austin wouldn't do it? Before or after Hogan re-signed?

 

So what was the plan for The Rock?

 

I would assume Kurt Angle since he was the next heel in line behind Jericho(in theory) and Hogan. The Kane program seemed rather rushed as most of the card was.

 

Along with the fact those two worked good together and it would been a top flight program for both men.

 

Austin/Hogan

Jericho/Triple H

Rock/Angle

Undertaker/Flair

 

That would have an almost unbeatable quadruple main event.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Speaking of old tv, when did Wrestling Challenge begin and end? I vaguely remember it becoming a recap show in its final weeks with Dok Hendrix in some sort of tricked out WWF style rec room with all sorts of PPV posters and a leather couch introducing clips of stuff, does that sound familiar to anyone?

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Challenge and SuperStars both started in September of 1986. Challenge indeed turned into a recap show and was put to sleep in 1995. By 1993 or so, nothing of any significance whatsoever took place on the show. But I was always a Challenge mark since I enjoyed listening to Monsoon/Heenan way more than McMahon/anyone else, even Ventura.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The original plan for WMX8 was Hogan Vs Austin; correct? If so, when did they find out Austin wouldn't do it? Before or after Hogan re-signed?

 

So what was the plan for The Rock?

 

I would assume Kurt Angle since he was the next heel in line behind Jericho(in theory) and Hogan. The Kane program seemed rather rushed as most of the card was. 

 

Along with the fact those two worked good together and it would been a top flight program for both men.

 

Austin/Hogan

Jericho/Triple H

Rock/Angle

Undertaker/Flair

 

That would have an almost unbeatable quadruple main event.

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They knew at least before Hogan returned, as they began the build to Rock v Hogan the next night. I would think Austin told them at least a month or so before, seeing as Austin v Hogan was the match they were wanting to go for, and it would have been bandied about before signing Hogan.

 

I don't know what the plan for Rock was. I know Austin wanted to work with Angle, because he liked and trusted Angle and knew the two would have a good to great match. That got turned down because it was felt they had done the match too much at the time.

[Just John 0]

Sorry if this was already asked, but I don't want to look through 62 pages.

 

What was the date of the Steiners vs. Bret/Owen match that gets lots of praise?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

January 11th, 1994.

[Guest jm29195]

I've just got hold of a comp full of random nitro stuff from 1999...one of the segments has Hak coming out with a cigarette and getting into an argument with Eric Bischoff in the ring, I seem to remember Kidman and maybe Brian Knobs also get involved...can anyone help me out as to why they did this and what the aftermath was?

[Jericholic82 0]

I remember that but also am drawing a blank as to the aftermath. I know bischoff screamed at him for smoking on-air (despite the fact that The Giant used to smoke a cigareete while entering the ring in 1998)

[Fökai 0]

Was there an explanation or offical match/angle that led to Bret Hart being named No. 1 contender for Taker's title at Summerslam 1997?

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Bret Hart came out on Raw the night after Canadian Stampede in an interview segment that announced 3 matches for Summerslam. Bret mentioned that "in the SummerSlam" (as was his way of speaking), he would take the title from Undertaker and that was pretty much it. I don't think it was ever really explained but heaivly implied that the Hart Foundation's victory the night before allowed this title match.

[Jericholic82 0]

I guess he knew Taker would accept cuz of his pride.

[ryankeast 0]

Where The Tonga Kid and King Tonga the same person - i.e Haku and Meng??

 

Thanks

[MDH257 0]

King Tonga was Haku.

The Tonga Kid was Tama, Haku's partner in The Islanders.

[Betty Houle 0]

The Tonga Kid was Tama, Haku's partner in The Islanders.

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Also known as "The Samoan Savage" in the NWA. Pretty creative.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Islanders/Headshrinkers/Samoan Swat Team/the Samoans...all basically the same four or five guys.