Guest nestor Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I don't understand all this bashing of HHH. I am a huge fan of HHH, he is the game, and very talented in the ring. Leave him alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted June 5, 2003 *pulls up a chair and waits for the pile-on* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Here's a question... not that I should be talking, but is it just me, or does it always seem like threads like this are started by people with less than 5 posts? If you're a respectable member (100 + posts AT LEAST), then thats okay. But 1 post? C'mon, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nestor Report post Posted June 5, 2003 A friend just told me about this place 2 days ago. He told me that this message board does not like HHH, and i don't believe him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Look, a couple years ago I was a HUGE HHH mark, and in all honesty, I still held on to being a fan of his until about May 2002 when I realized that he's no longer good. He isn't the same guy who had great matches against Foley, Jericho, Rock, Austin, and Benoit in 2000-01. He's an average at best wrestler, his character is pretty damn stale, and it is JUST PLAIN BORING seeing him win every month over people like Booker T who should be the champ! I'm not going to get into backstage stuff, but character-wise, HHH is the equivalent of a coma to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Here's a question... not that I should be talking, but is it just me, or does it always seem like threads like this are started by people with less than 5 posts? If you're a respectable member (100 + posts AT LEAST), then thats okay. But 1 post? C'mon, man. Well alot of times the person is a gimmick poster, and is banned after about 5 posts. Not sure if this the case here, but just saying HHH doesn't suck isn't going to go over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted June 5, 2003 go and watch HHH's work from 2003, come back, re-evaluate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I'm still waiting for him to tell us why HHH doesn't suck [other than in his own personal opinion, of course]. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I wanted reasons as to why HHH does not suck. "he is the game, and very talented in the ring" do not count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I've got a question, nestor. Why is this topic called "Why HHH does not suck". It doesn't sound like a question....so we expect a statement. Yet, we get no statements on the subject AND that just sounds sillier when you add the subtitle "wrestling" to it. If you can't contribute to this board in an intelligent manner (I don't care if you like HHH, but at least explain yourself), then you won't be received very well and may find yourself on the way out soon enough. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Hey, cool. Me and the Damester on the same wavelength. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted June 5, 2003 ah fuck it, I'll go against my morals and try and defend Hunter seeing as the other guy can't be bothered He's marketable to roid freaks and encourages sponsorship from tan bed manufacturers and in all seriousness when he's not being a political dickhead he can still work, witness the Flair match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KingOfOldSchool Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I don't understand all this bashing of HHH. I am a huge fan of HHH, he is the game, and very talented in the ring. Leave him alone. All very concise and well-thought out points there. You've changed my mind! In my mind, Triple H was in the right place at the right time. He always had the benefit of being a draw because of constantly working with the Rock, Foley and Austin; and Undertaker, less so. And he had the benefit of looking like God because of Rock, Foley and Austin, in addition to Jericho, Benoit and Angle. Especially since his quad tear, he's every bit of average in the ring. And especially these days, he seems to delight in hiding his weaknesses in tags and over-booked affairs. With the exception of his match v. Flair recently. Not to mention his LONG, drawn out promos in which he reiterates that he'll kick your ass in five different ways. He practically never loses his feuds... always has the last laugh. And he's pretty much beaten every credible face on Raw. This does nothing for the title scene and helps no one EXCEPT for Triple H. As Dames said... explain yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slingshot Suplex Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Has HHH lost some of his size? He doesn't seem as massive as he did 6 months or so ago. I think his in-ring stuff has improved lately and I figured that had something to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nathan_Avara Report post Posted June 5, 2003 HHH was easily the top pro wrestler in the WWF/E in 2000. That match on Raw with Austin versus Jericho and Benoit was the last we would see of the HHH who would put his heart into his matches. From the time he got back from his injury, he has put on boring matches. His Hell in a Cell match with Chris Jericho was barely watchable, and what was watchable was a carry-job by Jericho. And, like Matt Dittaliano said in 'They Fell in the Cell' Nick Patrick was the only one who took a major bump. Let's get more recent shall we? Monday Night Raw, Rob Van Dam pins Triple H in a tag team match. RVD secured his number one contender spot, and was billed as a viable contender. HHH would win the match, but did RVD continue to wrestle in high profile matches? Hell no, the HHH effect went in to play, and RVD was back down, and even missed out on the Armaggedon PPV. Okay, Necrophollia anyone? HHH buries Kane, and forever hurts his career. HHH has so much backstage pull that Kane and RVD have been put in the tag team division. His backstage pull is irritating, and his matches are lackluster at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Has HHH lost some of his size? He doesn't seem as massive as he did 6 months or so ago. I think his in-ring stuff has improved lately and I figured that had something to do with it. I think he has... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I'm perfectly ok with HHH in the ring and everything and have been for most of this year. Unlike others, I at least try to keep backstage politics from getting in the way of what I think of him in terms of on-screen character. I especially love Evolution, heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted June 5, 2003 HHH was easily the top pro wrestler in the WWF/E in 2000. benoit & jericho both outdid trips in 2000, & even only their matches against each other would've outdone anything in triple h's 2000, were it not for his feud with foley & the last man standing match (both of which relied on gimmicks a lot more heavily than the jericho/benoit series). oh, and this thread gets a .6 gamecop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snuffbox Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Give it up Hunter fanboys....HHH is the Tony Mandarich of the wwe, burnt out on juice. And only retaining an undeserved spot due to politics. Hes to the wwe what Hollywood Hogan was to wcw, massively unoverrelative to his run and push. Maybe one day he'll do the right thing for the business but its doubtful. Give it up, he sucks like a pornstar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Give it up Hunter fanboys....HHH is the Tony Mandarich of the wwe, burnt out on juice. And only retaining an undeserved spot due to politics. Hes to the wwe what Hollywood Hogan was to wcw, massively unoverrelative to his run and push. Maybe one day he'll do the right thing for the business but its doubtful. Give it up, he sucks like a pornstar. What would YOU do with him, to keep 1) HHH, and therefore Steph 2) The fans happy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted June 5, 2003 ah fuck it, I'll go against my morals and try and defend Hunter seeing as the other guy can't be bothered He's marketable to roid freaks and encourages sponsorship from tan bed manufacturers and in all seriousness when he's not being a political dickhead he can still work, witness the Flair match I know you're just playing Devil's advocate, but that Flair match was only good cause of Flair, and even then it was a *** (sorry to bring out the snowflakes on ya) match at best. The fact is that the man cannot perform without a gimmick match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snuffbox Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Give it up Hunter fanboys....HHH is the Tony Mandarich of the wwe, burnt out on juice. And only retaining an undeserved spot due to politics. Hes to the wwe what Hollywood Hogan was to wcw, massively unoverrelative to his run and push. Maybe one day he'll do the right thing for the business but its doubtful. Give it up, he sucks like a pornstar. What would YOU do with him, to keep 1) HHH, and therefore Steph 2) The fans happy? For the run hes had the last few years Hunter should be happy the rest of his life. No other HEEL champion has been allowed to have a streak like this, even monsters like Yokozuna and Vader had a few clean jobs. He should drop the title to booker T. The use HHH in upper midcard fueds with Jericho and RVD, posibly involving the title and make him actually put a few guys over while keeping him fresh and somewhat over. That should be a good year or so. Then a switch to Smackdown for new, fresh fueds with jobs and wins. Thats how the biz works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted June 5, 2003 He should drop the title to booker T. The use HHH in upper midcard fueds with Jericho and RVD, posibly involving the title and make him actually put a few guys over while keeping him fresh and somewhat over. You think for one second that HHH would drop to the upper midcard? Or losing quite a bit? After the run he's had, losing even twice in succession would make him look so weak. FWIW, I agree with what you are saying, but I'm playing Devil's Advocate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest two_tuff_toddy Report post Posted June 5, 2003 "The fact is that the man cannot perform without a gimmick match. " HHH use to be able to work a gimmick match but this statement isn't true anymore. Did you see Armageddon? That match was horrible and way overbooked. Michaels is my all time favorite wrestler and I still couldn't enjoy it at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Right, ready for the actual Triple H defense? Okay, here it comes... After a lengthy recovery stage from the quad injury, Triple H has actually gotten himself to the point where he is only a minute amount slower than he was before the injury. But considering that he was never really a speedster to begin with it doesn't much matter anyway. What's more important is that Triple H can now actually bump again and does so on a fairly routine basis for just about anyone on the roster. You aren't seeing him really squash anyone anymore as far as the actual match is concerned. Everything else he does in a ring is fine as far as I'm concerned, as he commonly hits everything flush (with one major exception which I'll get to) and actually does pull off some nice long term selling considering what company we're talking about. So as far as I can see, the meat of a Triple H match is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. It's the dessert that's a problem. The pedigree has basically become the only way one of his matches ends anymore and everyone has keyed in on that. Tell me you didn't visably groan the moment he kicked Ric in the belly and grabbed the arms. Even though Helmsly and Flair worked a good match, everyone knows what the pedigree means and its never really good. Triple H more than anyone else in the company needs to find alternative methods to escape with a win that doesn't entail him knocking the other guy unconscious. Plus it wouldn't hurt if he executed the move well again. That would be nice. There you go... defense and attack all rolled into one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Plus it wouldn't hurt if he executed the move well again. That would be nice. 100% agree. It takes a better than good sell job to make it look good the way he is doing it nowadays. He gets people up there and just kind falls away from them rather than slamming them down (kinda) the way he used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I think a major problem is that he's wrestling "hunter's match" again and again and again. In 2000 it was pretty fresh cause he mixed it up with a bunch of gimmick matches and he was on top of his workrate game (I do think HHH's epic 2000 run is overrated, though) - today it's a played card and everyone knows it. Right now it's a case of "Hunter is only as good as his opponents" because he is limited and he can't carry anyone with his formula - and he isn't doing himself any favours by burying all those who are talented around him either. He still thinks the smoke-and-mirrors can help him out so we get things like him vs. Nash in a cell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I've got a question, nestor. Why is this topic called "Why HHH does not suck". It doesn't sound like a question....so we expect a statement. Yet, we get no statements on the subject AND that just sounds sillier when you add the subtitle "wrestling" to it. If you can't contribute to this board in an intelligent manner (I don't care if you like HHH, but at least explain yourself), then you won't be received very well and may find yourself on the way out soon enough. Dames Just ban him now. We all know where this is going to lead to, another one of those "Smarks are stupid and mean and evil because they bash HHH and hate wrestling and wah wah wah" type of threads. We don't need morons like this polluting the boards. Just pull the plug on him now and save time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Plus it wouldn't hurt if he executed the move well again. That would be nice. 100% agree. It takes a better than good sell job to make it look good the way he is doing it nowadays. He gets people up there and just kind falls away from them rather than slamming them down (kinda) the way he used to. Actually, isn't the reason why Triple H's move is totally brutal (not in the good sense) now because he injuried someone doing it the proper way and thusly he was told to make it the sloppy way? I might be wrong with that, but I'm quite certain that we were talking about that back when he started to change it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted June 5, 2003 awwww, fucks sake. Why is there one of these topics every so often. Lets put it simply: Does HHH consistently have good matches? No Does HHH cut good promos? No Does HHH draw? No Does HHH help elevate other talent? No Does he put anyone over who isn't his friend? No All "Smart mark" political bullshit aside, HHH is still shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
