WWE Notes - Matches for Armageddon,

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

See, I honestly don't mind O'Haire in the bodyguard role, just stand there, look wacked out of your ever loving mind and let the Kanyon's of the world do all the work. Long as O'Haire NEVER moves out of that role, NEVER wrestles outside of cheapshots and maybe an occasional tag match and eventually eats Flatliner when he pisses Kanyon off. Dammit.

 

But i once again restate my theory on Billy Gunn. Bigger push equals more matches equals more opportunity to receive Droz Driver 99. No more Billy Gunn. Its a pipe dream but one worth praying for.

[Guest AndrewTS]

MOTHERFUCKING BILLY GUNN?!?!??!

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

He's the one.

[Guest croweater]

Billy Gunn............... I mean really....... is Vince trying to piss people off. The US TITLE is coming back. It has to be built up instantly with a top, credible wrestler, otherwise it will just slowly go downhill. Benoit is a great choice because although he could (and should) be in a main event he is a legitimate upper card wrestler and will instantly make the title seem worth something.

 

Billy Gunn is not very over, is not a great wrestler and will do NOTHING for the title. Benoit should take it and have a fued with Hardy, building up Hardy as a legitimate Heavyweight wrestler through a series of good matches. As opposed to B.G. giving 5 minute crap with Hardy that couldn't build up a small lego tower.

 

If I wanted bells and whistles I would have attended a circus............ and if I wanted to watch a man flashing his arse at my TV screen I would pick up some Gay porn....... If I want to see some great wrestling matches and titles that mean things it looks like I'm gonna have to go to a bloody video shop for salvation because it's not what I'm getting on my TV!

 

-croweater (Eating crows is not a good gimick)

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I don't see why everybody is getting all bent out of shape over a worthless wrestler winning a formerly defunct, worthless belt. Seriously, the US Title has been nothing but crap ever since the Raven/Benoit/DDP feud died away in mid-98.

 

Really, why even bother venting about it since the WWE's just going to(and apparently will) fuck it up like always?

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

Billy Fucking Gunn? Are we all just stupid 12 year olds with collectively bad taste in wrestlers or am I missing something here?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Sweet Jesus... Benoit shouldn't even be in this tourney to begin with.

 

The US belt is an ugly piece of crap so it's fitting to go to a wrestler that reflects it.

 

BTW, 'Armageddon'? And 'wrist surgery'?

[Guest Space_Cowboy]

Thankfully i assumed Billy Gunn would be getting the US Title back when i found out both the belt and Gunn would be returning, so now i'm just numb to the whole thing.

 

They're going to fuck the belt up anyway, might as well screw things up right off the bat instead of giving us false hope that they'll use the belt right, only for them to give A-Train a 9 month reign or whatever.

[Adam 0]

For fucks sake, If they even THINK of mentioning the WCW lineage and then having Billy Gunn win the friggin thing, then there is just no point. I hate Billy Gunn. At least have Cena, or Hardy, or Benoit win it, to get it off to a good start. The belt will go nowhere with that talentless piece of garbage as its first champ.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

The post you've all been waiting for:

 

Truth is, what do you do with Big Show? It's a fair enough idea to put him in the main-event with Angle and Lesnar because they have all been intertwined in recent weeks/months. So it's hardly the outrage you are all making it out to be. If I was Show I would want to still have a chance in the main-event because I've been busting my ass and having good TV matches with Brock Lesnar. Kurt Angle is in the fucking main-event, get over it. It's not as if he's feuding with Hugh Morrus, which is what many of you are making it sound like. Would any of you really want Big Show vs Hogan on a PPV card? Think before you open your traps.

 

In relation to Benoit, he shouldn't be competing for the US title, but don't come out and make it sound as if Benoit has been in wrestling poverty since his return. He was in a mainevent in January, but in a feud that nobody cared for apart from the wrestling. To the person who said Gunn wasn't over, sorry, do you hear the crowds pop? I would like Hardy or Cena to win the US title, but if Gunn does win it, it's not as if he's going to go on a 12 month run with the thing. Rest assured, by the end of this year, Gunn will have put over Cena and Hardy and maybe a few others.

 

Sheesh.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

Sure the crowd pop for Gunn's entrance, and his body. Does it mean he's over a lick ? No.

[Adam 0]

Gunn is not over. Gunn will never be over, unless there is a guy with a DX shirt standing next to him saying 'Ladies and Gentlemen.....'. I hate Billy, give Cena or Hardy the title. They deserve it more than Billy. Billy has had two failed pushes that I can think of, one in 1999 (program with the Rock) and one in late 2000 (IC Title run). Both failed miserably, and do you know why? Because he ISNT OVER. I rest my case.

[Guest JDMattitudeV1]

Billy G the one smoking rockabilly bad ass Gunn is not over, he never will be over.

 

Putting Big show into the Angle/Lesner feud is an act of stupidity that only the WWE is capable of. The downward sprial continues.

[Guest bravesfan]

Putting Big show into the Angle/Lesner feud is an act of stupidity that only the WWE is capable of.

 

Considering this feud is barely 4-5 months old, and has already had a Wrestlemania blow-off, the idea of a Triple Threat only prolongs the feud even more. Don't tell me you want a Brock/Angle "Wrestlemania Rematch" at Vengeance, do you?

 

(For example, take how many times Austin and Rock met in singles bouts between Wrestlemania XV and X-7, and then again from X-7 to XIX. In a matter of FOUR YEARS, I can't recall more than two singles matches between them [backlash 1999, Rebellion 2001])

 

Anyway, the triple threat stipulation will mask all of Show's weaknesses, as it always does with the big men. Fans will buy into the ongoing feud with TBS/Brock, and with Angle inserted to liven up THAT feud, it'll make for a ***+ match, easily.

[Guest Goodear]

Look, if Benoit wins the US strap he's going to have to lose it to a US Title contender anyway and you'll have to hear complaints about how higher on the card he should be anyway. As soon as he drops the belt to Hardy or Cena, everyone will be bitching in moments.

 

Billy is about Rikishi levels of being over, which is nothing to be ashamed of for a midcarder. And since the US belt is supposed to be something to give midcarders direction, whats the beef with having Gunn win it sooner or later?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Because Gunn is not liked.

[J.B. Buzzkill 0]

And Torrie's the only reason people give a shit about him.

[Guest croweater]

I've always seen the US title as a much greater title than the Intercontinental.

In WCW wrestlers successfully went from the Heavyweight Championship to the US title, for example Sting, possibly the most over guy ever in WCW and had won Multiple heavyweight championships feuded with Bret Hart over the US title when Bret first arrived. Now A Bret vs. Sting match IS a main event quality match and i don't think the US title brought it down to mid card level at all (but then again I'm a MAJOR mark for both guys). That's why the US title was great, because it was never seen as a real step down such as the Intercontinental title IMO.

 

Therefore having Benoit with the US title .... if they play up the great former champions, would be a good thing. When he loses it, lets say to Matt Hardy, he doesn't have to lose it clean. Infact a run in loss from Angle or Lesner (after a few weeks of him braging about being the best and saying that the belt is worth more than the Heavyweight title because he is in posession of it, would only boost his long-term place on the roster.

 

Croweater- 100 posts and still HOUSE..EN..FUEGO~!

[Guest MideonMark]

So Billy Gunn goes over Matt Hardy in the Finals and Im guessing John Cena and Sean O'Haire in the Quarters and Semis.

 

John Cena-one of the most entertaining people on Smackdown and the guy who was built as a contender for the WWE Title a couple of months ago

 

Sean O'Haire-I dont really have a problem with Gunn going over here, cause I hate Sean O'Haire, but O'Haire has beaten Benoit and Eddy in recent weeks, only to put over Billy fucking Gunn.

 

Matt Hardy-Only weeks ago it was reported he had impressed management and was in line for a big push. But I guess impressing management and being Vinces bum chum(ie Billy Gunn) are completely different ways of being pushed

[Guest Zack Malibu]

Benoit's probably only in the tournament to have a good match with the winner and make them look credible. However, the last time Gunn and Benoit feuded over a singles title, Gunn nearly killed Benoit in the ring with his sloppiness. Get the VCR's ready, kids.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Sure the crowd pop for Gunn's entrance, and his body. Does it mean he's over a lick ? No.

So what DOES it mean wrestling guru? Also, Gunn's pops are as big as Benoit's in my opinion. Are you saying Benoit isn't over? And Billy Gunn was never over? Okay. Then Benoit, Guerrero, and Angle were never over either.

 

Benoit's character and image is muck now. Somehow he's made a name for himself where he still draws pops. But how long will it last? He's been on the losing edge to hotter commodities like John Cena. He doesn't have Team Anlge to toss around anymore. He's been in the midcard forever. How long before the fans stop giving a shit. He doesn't have the character that can wait out the midcard like Cena or Angle or hell even Big Show. They'd be putting the belt on a waning wrestler.

 

Gunn however IS over. Whenever a smark doesn't like somebody, they're not over. Ok. Sounds more like a mark to me. Anyway, Gunn is a semi-fresh face. The whole Billy/Chuck things is behind him and the crowd is hot for him. Why not strike now. Have him win the title have a hot feud with Hardy and Cena and have him drop the belt to one of them. Nothing offensive about that. Geez. Maybe the WWE is trying ONCE AGAIN to do something for Benoit. It's not like he spends his time in comedy skits and jobbing out on Velocity week after week. Since his pops are fading they're probably going to turn him heel, then you all can go, "OMG BENOIT KILLER HEEL~!"

[Guest Anglesault]

Truth is, what do you do with Big Show?

Push him off a cliff?

[Guest wildpegasus]

"Also, Gunn's pops are as big as Benoit's in my opinion."

 

I disagree. Benoit's already gotten a few standing ovations this year and has been considerably over. A lot of the pops for Gunn are coming from Torrie Wilson and notsgolia. Let's see how Gunn's pops hold up. Angle and Guerrero are more over too.

 

How long before the fans stop giving a s***?

 

Benoit's been booked very poorly for 8 years now (with a few arguable exceptions) and he still remains over.

 

"Whenever a smark doesn't like someone they're not over"

 

Personally I must say I'm not blind. I know who's over and not with the crowd.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Hmmmm, I have absolutely no problem with Big Show being in the Main Event. It seems like WWE is rewarding him for putting on good matches with Brock Lesnar and getting over as a top heel (something WWE is missing right now). If you take TBS from after his jump to Smackdown, his ring work and overness is a lot better than previously.

 

Also, wrestling 101: 3-way dances allow a competitor to win the belt without pinning the champion. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see Angle pin The Big Show for Lesnars title.

 

 

As for Mr. Ass, I'll believe he's winning it when I see it. But at least if he does, he might be feuding for it with Mattitude, and thats gotta be a good thing.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hmmmm, I have absolutely no problem with Big Show being in the Main Event. It seems like WWE is rewarding him for putting on good matches

and trying to kill Rey.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

Hmmmm, I have absolutely no problem with Big Show being in the Main Event. It seems like WWE is rewarding him for putting on good matches

and trying to kill Rey.

Agreed. Nathan Jones was/is a sloppy bastard, so they take him off TV, decrease his push, and now the guy is on the brink of quitting on his own. However, he's not locked under an overpriced extended contract like Big Slug, so despite countless botches, bad matches, and injuring opponents, they still have to validate signing Big Show for so much, so long ago, by shoving him at us in main events.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

After his match with Jamie Noble, I'd like to see how over Gunn would be without Torrie by his side. I heard that in his Velocity match that airs tonight his jobber opponent gets the chants instead.

[Guest Askewniverse]

 

Truth is, what do you do with Big Show?

Push him off a cliff?

Wouldn't that cause an earthquake?

[Guest Zack Malibu]

 

Truth is, what do you do with Big Show?

Push him off a cliff?

Wouldn't that cause an earthquake?

Somewhat related...I'd rather see Earthquake than Big Show.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

"Also, Gunn's pops are as big as Benoit's in my opinion."

 

I disagree. Benoit's already gotten a few standing ovations this year and has been considerably over. A lot of the pops for Gunn are coming from Torrie Wilson and notsgolia. Let's see how Gunn's pops hold up. Angle and Guerrero are more over too.

 

How long before the fans stop giving a s***?

 

Benoit's been booked very poorly for 8 years now (with a few arguable exceptions) and he still remains over.

The last time Gunn returned as "The One" Billy Gunn, his pops were HUGE, and they lasted awhile. Enough for one smark to cry "The pop is dead" when they diminished one night.

 

And Benoit has had a few periods of un-overness. Particulalry in mid 2000 right before his feud with the Rock started. The guy was drawing crickets. Another time would be right after the heel turn of 2002. People seem to like Benoit more as a face. However, this time he is doing nothing of note. In 2001, he was feuding with Austin and HHH. This time he is just.......there.