Eminem talent or not?

[Guest Stennick]

I haven't been here to see it, nor have I noticed anyone really speaking on it. So theres the question is Eminem just big because he's white? Here's my take on it.

 

Lyrics - I believe he is ONE OF the best, he may be the best, he may not be. The things I like about him are the things I look for in ALL my music from Rock, Rap, Country, whatever it may be, I look for Lyrics first and foremost. This is something Em has done. He talks about his life, he doesn't talk about smok'n blunts, riding on dubs, pimp'n hoes. He talks about shit he does in his life. Thats what makes me appealing to me. I don't have to go find his auto biography I can just listen to his music and learn about his life.

 

Beat- With Dre producing most of his beats his shit sounds good. If you listen to the fifty cent CD I think he own producing talent really comes out. I don't think his beats are THE BEST but I certainly have heard a lot worse. Another thing I like is some of the songs he's taken as a beat. Dido for Marshall Mathers LP, and Aerosmith for Eminem Show.

 

Him being white - Yes I believe half of his success and media coverage is because he's white, although he doesn't cater to just a white audiance, he kills his wife in two songs, one song is so bad that I can't even always listen to it. So him being white is part of some of his success, I also believe if he wasn't white he'd still be famous, just not MEGA Famous.

 

Overall- He's one of the top ten overall rappers in hip hop, hell I'd go as far as to say he's on of the top five!

[Mole 0]

This is going to be fun.

 

Yes, Em is talented. He will be around until he dies, he is that good.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Overall- He's one of the top ten overall rappers in hip hop, hell I'd go as far as to say he's on of the top five!

I wouldn't go that far, but he's got flow, an eye for controversy and an eye for a good tune. He's not the saviour of rap, but he's not bad at all.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

I'd say he became popular because he was a white rapper that had credibility with black rappers. He stayed popular by being that damn good. Eminem was given the ball, and he ran with it.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

Since I don't really love rap like i did 6 years ago or so(before I became a disjointed bastard full of hate and stuff). i haven't really concentrated TOO closely on his stuff. But he has an amazing delivery if nothing else. The was he says his stuff is just awesome.

[Guest Choken One]

I personally consider Eminem one of the best Lyricst PERIOD. in all music.

 

His Flow, Delivery are nearly untouchable...

 

The Beats are hot

 

The Only downside really to Eminem is his NEED to be constroversial...

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

He's pretty darn good. As stated, his delivery is great, and he's superb at wordplay--his rhymes fold back on themselves, pick up in different places--a lot of his songs are just a joy to hear. I don't think it's over-stretching to call him one of the top 10 MCs recording right now. Granted, the furthest underground I get are the guys on Def Jux, but I still listen to a lot. I think his last album was a step down, but the tracks on the 8 Mile soundtrack were all steps up.

[The Kid 0]

His lyrics are amazing and the delivery is great. It's awesome how he can rap is own life and get listeners, where other rappers always rap about gang violence, drugs and such. Eminem's lyrics connect with the everyday listeners life in one way or another and that is why he is popular.

[Guest Choken One]

Exactly...

 

I'm tired of hearing rappers talk about Bling Bling and Chicks and Guns...

 

Eminem is rapping about things that are actually releveant...He puts himself on there...he says what's BOTHERING him and offers, sometimes a message of hope...The non-Rap crowd admires that...

 

Which is Why "Lose Yourself" was so insanely popular....You felt the desperation in his voice...

[Steviekick 0]

Eminem is OK but I think at times people seem to overrate him. He's still relatively new and his material hasn't proven itself to be timeless or inspiring to the future. I do think that Dre's production definitely makes his music better.

[Cran Da Maniac 0]

Don't take this the wrong way, because I like Em, but he is overrated. First of all his flows are not his own. If you listen to his earlier rap battles, he had a really fast flow. After awhile he got with a group called The Outsiders. The Outsiders used to be helmed by another rapper (and even better then Em) named Masta Ace. After The Outsiders, Em was more laid back in his flow, sounding just like Ace.

 

Now you look at 50 Cent. If you listen to any of his old mixtapes and his new album, he sounds different, mainly because Em stole his flow.

 

With Em's production, while for the most part it's good, I still can't get over the fact that every song has the same drum loop. "Boom Boom Chi" on every song. Tho he is talented to make you somewhat not notice it, it's still there.

 

His lyrics are something strange. You notice in his first couple of LP's that he talked about how his music isn't positive, or he's not a role model. But listen to Loose Yourself, listen to Sing for the Moment. He's telling us something entirely different now.

 

Plus if you think about his lyrics, he's really shown that he's nothing that special. Sure he talks about killing his wife, but everybody has had that one relationship where they hated the girl. The whole deal with his mom. Come on, who hasn't gotten punished by a parent and said "I Hate you!" He's just doing it on a bigger level. And the fights he picks on his songs, who doesn't bash boy bands and the like? Seriously, his lyrics are nothing more the the writings of baby and a bully.

[Chuck Woolery 0]

He's saying, to me, that he shouldn't be a role model, but because of his status he is. He doesn't want it - he just is.

[Guest Fire and Knives]

Now he wants to be taken seriously as an artist, which probably isn't going to work out for him in the long run. Outside of 'Stan', I've never heard tell a story as clearly and vividly as I've heard people like El-P, Andre 3000, or GZA do it. Benzino's "five shades darker, motherfucker, you'd be Canibus" line is fitting -- Eminem is a sick-ass battle rapper who's matured a lot since his career began, but he's always going to rely on the skills that got his foot in the door, and that'll limit him in the long run.

 

K.

[Guest two_tuff_toddy]

I guess that he would be considered so but that doesn't really matter to me because I can't fucking stand him at all.

[Ripper 0]

Don't take this the wrong way, because I like Em, but he is overrated. First of all his flows are not his own. If you listen to his earlier rap battles, he had a really fast flow. After awhile he got with a group called The Outsiders. The Outsiders used to be helmed by another rapper (and even better then Em) named Masta Ace. After The Outsiders, Em was more laid back in his flow, sounding just like Ace.

 

Now you look at 50 Cent. If you listen to any of his old mixtapes and his new album, he sounds different, mainly because Em stole his flow.

 

With Em's production, while for the most part it's good, I still can't get over the fact that every song has the same drum loop. "Boom Boom Chi" on every song. Tho he is talented to make you somewhat not notice it, it's still there.

 

His lyrics are something strange. You notice in his first couple of LP's that he talked about how his music isn't positive, or he's not a role model. But listen to Loose Yourself, listen to Sing for the Moment. He's telling us something entirely different now.

 

Plus if you think about his lyrics, he's really shown that he's nothing that special. Sure he talks about killing his wife, but everybody has had that one relationship where they hated the girl. The whole deal with his mom. Come on, who hasn't gotten punished by a parent and said "I Hate you!" He's just doing it on a bigger level. And the fights he picks on his songs, who doesn't bash boy bands and the like? Seriously, his lyrics are nothing more the the writings of baby and a bully.

Well, in a rare weekend appearance, I feel I must respond.

 

If you ACTUALLY listen to why eminem's flow changed, it has nothing to do with Ace and DEFINATELY has nothing to do with 50. Eminem learned to do something that other artist just seem not to care about anymore. FOLLOW A BEAT. His flow sounds so perfect now because he is riding the beat, and not setting his own cadence. Ace rolled with a beat alright, but nothing spectacular. 50 raps like he doesn't even know there is a beat going. Em's flow is nothing like either of theirs honestly. In battle rap, you are almost required to rhyme faster. You want to see flow stealing, look at someone like Roc and his Jay-Z rip off. Or most of the southern rappers coming out that rip off Juvenille or BG's flow. Eminem has his own flow now that is not like any other rapper...just as Biggie, Tupac and Nas all eventually created their own.

 

The worse critism I hear about em is when people say shit like "all he talks about is killing his wife or mom and boy bands" and they automatically make me ignore anything else they have to say, because the are either unimformed or just not wanting to give credit where it is due.

 

From the Infinite to the Eminem Show, the majority of his songs have been sick word play and emotion. Out of the 4 albums, maybe 5 songs have been dedicated to his wife/mother. Only the His third album (his worse, but highest selling I believe) makes constant references to boy bands and such. Songs like Rock Bottom, and 313 are all over his resume of great songs with nothing but lyrics. He has proven himself to be a special lyricist outside of the battling realm. If you can't see that, you obviously aren't listening.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Eminem's great. I respect him as an artist and most of his materia, but l I miss the "old" Eminem when he would just flow about stupid shit back on the Slim Shady LP, but he would make it hilarious and enjoyable to listen to. Nowadays, he's just too serious. And he's buried himself so deep within the gangster lifestyle, we get nothing but disses (although I did love the Hail Mary remix). I'm not too fond of the gangster war shit, but that's just part of the rap game...

 

*starts bumping the Infinite album

[shlidgn90 0]

masta ace never lead the outsiders. young zee was the leader and eminem never mimicked his or ace's flow.

 

eminem is an great artist. he's one of the few rappers who view their music as art. unlike most of the current ones out that only looking out for making money. benzino's whole beef with eminem is just based off pure jealousy. the line about being five shades darker, he would be canibus maybe true, but for eminem, he should have taken that as a compliment.