Respect Women Wrestling

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Lance Storm Commentary

 

I had a rather unique experience last week. Goldust hurt his elbow and did not make the house shows, which left me in an odd spot. We were scheduled to take part in a 3-team tag team match, but with Goldust out of the picture, I was without a match. I’m sort of in the process of turning face, and don’t have any steam left as a heel, so there was no other match or story line I could be fit into. With no match option for me, I suggested I be allowed to referee the Divas match. When there has been an odd man out in the past Val Venis has done it so I figured why not me. The agents said, okay, so I officiated the three way title match between, Trish, Jazz, and Molly Holly, and things couldn’t’ have worked out better, I had a ball and I hope the girls would say the same.

 

As you may or may not know, I’ve got a good working relationship with the girls. Apart from Fit Finlay (The primary agent for Diva matches) I’ve probably spent more time than anyone working with the girls in the ring. Fit and I have similar views on wrestling so he allows me to lend a hand when ever possible. I love teaching wrestling and the girls are the most eager to learn members of our lockers room so we have a lot of fun together.

 

The match itself was quite good, the girls fine-tuned it each night and the match constantly improved through out the weekend. Molly Holly won each match retaining the title, and in an effort to give the crowd a “feel good” moment at the end we did a little post-match aftermath where Trish and I ended up bumping the heels, which then leads to Trish surprising me with a rather overwhelming kiss. (Yes it sucks to be me. (LOL) It’s days like this that help make up for all of the house shows matches with Big Show (LOL)) When the weekend was over I decided to check on-line for match feedback and see what the reactions were to the matches and I was dumbfounded by what I found.

 

The first arena report that I read just listed match results and listed every match except the girls. The next ones weren’t any better, saying things like, “Can’t remember the finish…” and then going on in length describing the amazing kiss Trish planted on me, “, “…don’t remember the match, but man is Jazz short in person.” The arena reports continued in this fashion, going on in depth with all the guys matched and all but ignoring the girls. As if this wasn’t bad enough when I was eating at a restaurant I over heard some fans talking about going to the show and when a girl asked which girls would be wrestling, one guy replied, “Does it matter?” Now I realize that women’s wrestling isn’t for everyone, and the chances of the Divas ever putting out a match like Angle and Benoit are slim to none, but come on they deserve more respect than this.

 

These girls bust their butts out there and work damn hard. It’s obvious to me now that people don’t appreciate the effort these girls put forth. I’ve seen them all black and blue with bruises, working through injuries and not even contemplating taking the night off. I remember one night when Trish broke her nose (fortunately it wasn’t displaced) and she wouldn’t even consider not working the next night. It wasn’t that long ago when the girls were only expected to provide T and A for the show, (On Smack Down, that’s still pretty much the case), but our RAW girls have set their sites higher than that and have continued to push the bar higher. They’ve gone from just looking good, to having good matches “for a girls match”, to just plain having good matches. I guess this is why I enjoy helping them in the ring so much. They have a love for this business, much like my own. I guess what’s I find so disappointing is that these girls have so much respect for this business, yet get so little respect from it.

 

Till next week, why don’t you try actually watching one of the Diva matches and giving it a chance. It’s not just about the puppies, anymore.

 

Lance

 

I have to say, I don't disagree with that.

[Guest Coffey]

Lance Storm is wrong. We do respect what they are trying to do. We do respect the bumps and bruises that they take in an attempt to entertain us.

 

The problem is they just aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly. At least not in the WWE...which is supposed to be the big leagues.

 

There is a reason why people don't bother to mention the matches. It's because they are always mediocre. The WWE women's match is never anything special. An occasion decent match. A decent WWE women's match just means no blown spots and a clean finish though.

 

It seems to me like they all move in slow motion. All of their offense is too obvious. It's like a bad actor reading his lines from cue card.

 

Yes, the are getting better. They are improving. They have potential. I, as a wrestling fan however, don't want to watch them progress on live TV. That's what the developmental territories are supposed to be there for. It's not just about sex either. I say the same thing about anyone who shouldn't be wrestling weekly on live TV...like Maven.

 

Just look at Gail Kim. There is no way that she was ready to be on Raw.

[BifEverchad 0]

Another reason why Lance Storm is one of the best wrestlers on the scene today.

[BifEverchad 0]

EDIT: double pizost

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Half the guys on Raw aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly.

[Guest Coffey]

Half the guys on Raw aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly.

..and half the guys on RAW don't wrestle weekly.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Half the guys on Raw aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly.

..and half the guys on RAW don't wrestle weekly.

And those that do utterly suck.

[Guest Coffey]

Half the guys on Raw aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly.

..and half the guys on RAW don't wrestle weekly.

And those that do utterly suck.

Just like the women which is why Raw is bad.

[KTID 0]

Half the guys on Raw aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly.

 

 

Yes, those pesky wrestlers like RVD, Jericho, Christian, Lance Storm, Val Venus, Tommy Dreamer, Al Snow, Rico, Maven, Dudleys, Hurricane, Goldust etc. should be tossed aside in favour of TRISH STRATUS VS JACKIE GAYDA, cause by god those women do try.

Edited September 7, 2003 by RVDMARK4:20

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Another reason why Lance Storm is one of the best wrestlers on the scene today.

Which scene is Lance Storm one of the best wrestlers on? The "Canadians whose initials are L.S" scene?

 

Oh, and WWE womens wrestling stinks. Simple as that. It sucks.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Half the guys on Raw aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly.

 

 

Yes, those pesky wrestlers like RVD, Jericho, Christian, Lance Storm, Val Venus, Tommy Dreamer, Al Snow, Rico, Maven, Dudleys, Hurricane, Goldust etc. should be tossed aside in favour of TRISH STRATUS VS JACKIE GAYDA, cause by god those women do try.

Of the people you named, the only one's that I would like to see on Raw are RVD, Jericho, Christian, Hurricane and Goldust. The rest of them already aren't on Raw every week, or are semi-retired, or plain suck.

 

Secondly, Jackie Gayda does not compete in the women's division.

[KTID 0]

So you'd prefer Stratus, Keibler and Gayda over Storm, Venus and Rico?

 

And, yes Gayda does compete on RAW.

[CanadianChick 0]

I'm sure he was refering to wrestlers like Trish, Molly, Jazz, Victora, ect. rather than Stacy. And to be perfectly honest, I would rather watch a women's match with Trish/Molly/Jazz/Victoria/Ivory/Gail than Rico, Venus, and a lot of other Raw midcarders.

[Guest deadbeater]

I suppose you armchair pissers know better than the wrestlers who actually competed in Japan about the progress they are making.

 

Yes, some of us are totally spoiled by Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Xena and other such movies and TV shows, some to the extent that we can't appreciate more gritty fights anymore. Secret ya: they take dozens of takes to do those moves, even Jackie Chan and Jet Li. The wrestlers have only one take.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

So you'd prefer Stratus, Keibler and Gayda over Storm, Venus and Rico?

 

And, yes Gayda does compete on RAW.

Keibler? Gayda? No. Not only no, but hell no.

 

But, I would personally rather see Molly, Victoria, Jazz, Ivory, Trish, or even Gail than anyone else on RAW not named Hurricane or Rob Van Dam.

[KTID 0]

not named RVD or Hurricane. So, you don't like Jericho, Storm, Christian etc.

[CanadianChick 0]

RVDMark, I don't see why if you are giving examples of women wrestlers, you say Stacy and Jackie. It's not like they regularly wrestle. They've both wrestled in a handful of mix tag matches.

[Insane Bump Machine 0]

Yes, some of us are totally spoiled by Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Xena and other such movies and TV shows, some to the extent that we can't appreciate more gritty fights anymore.  Secret ya: they take dozens of takes to do those moves, even Jackie Chan and Jet Li.  The wrestlers have only one take.

Huh? Where did that come from? Good wrestlers manage to have good matches in just one take, without screwing up every other move. The women try, but I don't consider most of them good wrestlers. The only women who manage to not insult my intelligence with their matches are Jazz and Molly, because they seem to know what they're doing and don't rely on standard training sequences to move from spot to spot. All the others just look like they're trying to wrestle.

 

And whoever gets spoiled by Xena needs to get his head checked.

 

Edit: And please, someone book better finishes for the women's matches. If I see one more match decided by a Suplex or a kick to the stomach I'll shoot myself.

Edited September 7, 2003 by Insane Bump Machine

[jester 0]

I agree that people are unduly harsh on women's matches. Especially Scott Keith. I'm not a Keith hater, but man, that guy gives the women no slack.

 

I think people would care about women's wrestling more if they gave it some good angles. Unfortunately, WWE's idea of a good women's angle is "They all fight over who gets to be the one to blow Vince."

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RVDMark, I don't see why if you are giving examples of women wrestlers, you say Stacy and Jackie. It's not like they regularly wrestle. They've both wrestled in a handful of mix tag matches.

 

 

Why do people arguing in favour of women's wrestling giving examples of male wrestlers always use La Resistance or Garrison Cade, instead of Chris Jericho or Lance Storm?

[CanadianChick 0]

Because Garrison Cade and La Resistance wrestle regularly and are considered wrestlers. Stacy and Jackie are considered valets.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

not named RVD or Hurricane.  So, you don't like Jericho, Storm, Christian etc.

No, not really. I haven't really liked either Jericho or Storm since they came to the WWF. I can probably only think of maybe four or five WWF matches, between the two of them, that I really liked. Christian I've never liked as a singles wrestler, and he hasn't entertained me since the "flash photography" days.

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The bottom line is this when the women are wrestling the crowd almost always chants for puppies. The WWE is forcing the public to view one thing when they really want another, this is not uncommon for WWE as they seem to get off on screwing themselves.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Because Garrison Cade and La Resistance wrestle regularly and are considered wrestlers. Stacy and Jackie are considered valets.

I can only go by RAW recaps since I can't stomach the show, but hasn't Stacy had more matches on RAW than Jindrak and Cade?

 

And I'm only going by the time period since Jindrak's re-debut.

[bob_barron 0]

Jindrak has wrestled 3 times on RAW.

 

v. Jericho

v. La Res

v. Henry/Mack

 

Stacy has wrestled a bunch of times this year including-

 

w/Test v. Chris-tain

w/Steiner v. Test/Jericho

w/Test v. Rico/Gayda

w/Test v. Victoria/Richards

[Tawren 0]

The reason I don't respect womens wrestling is because, you know, it sucks.

[Insane Bump Machine 0]

The reason I don't respect womens wrestling is because, you know, it sucks.

nah, good womens wrestling does exist. Just not in WWE.

[Guest Hass of Pain]

I think Lance Storm should be blaming Jerry Lawler just as much as fans for not respecting women's wrestling as "The King" goes out of his way to bury the women as nothing but breast-toting sex objects each week.

 

I don't think women's wrestling is that bad sometimes. It's just like the men's division in that you've got the good wrestlers (Molly, Victoria, Jazz), the decent wrestlers (Trish, Ivory) and the bad wrestlers (Gail Kim, Jackie Gayda). However, where as a good male wrestler can usually guide a bad one to a decent match, nobody in the women's division is good enough to step into the ring with Gail Kim and not have things implode.

 

I respect the bumps the women take, I respect Trish's INCREDIBLE improvement in the ring over the last few years and I respect the fact that Victoria is tough enough to work with a torn MCL and a completely FUCKED knee because her downside isn't high enough for her to afford being able to take the time off for surgery. Well, that and I want to bone her. It just comes down to the fact that most of the women are boring in the ring because they(expecially Trish) use the same spots EVERY week. However, any combination of Victoria, Molly, Jazz and Trish can usually put on a match no duller than a lot of the men on Raw so I don't mind.

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The only females I like / respect are Victoria, Molly, Jazz (she isn't pretty, but she's an ass kicker and that's what's important), and Ivory.

 

I don't like the others because they can't wrestle for shit and I don't like Trish because she's made out to be a sex goddess rather than a serious contender.

[Guest Trivia247]

Lance Storm is wrong. We do respect what they are trying to do. We do respect the bumps and bruises that they take in an attempt to entertain us.

 

The problem is they just aren't good enough to be wrestling weekly. At least not in the WWE...which is supposed to be the big leagues.

 

There is a reason why people don't bother to mention the matches. It's because they are always mediocre. The WWE women's match is never anything special. An occasion decent match. A decent WWE women's match just means no blown spots and a clean finish though.

 

It seems to me like they all move in slow motion. All of their offense is too obvious. It's like a bad actor reading his lines from cue card.

 

Yes, the are getting better. They are improving. They have potential. I, as a wrestling fan however, don't want to watch them progress on live TV. That's what the developmental territories are supposed to be there for. It's not just about sex either. I say the same thing about anyone who shouldn't be wrestling weekly on live TV...like Maven.

 

Just look at Gail Kim. There is no way that she was ready to be on Raw.

Heh they are just not good enough to entertain you but may do more than you could do in the ring.

 

in actuality many of the wrestling matches some of the women done in the past was more inventive than the male matches on Raw.

 

Victoria, Trish and Jazz been allowed to bust out Puro stuff that few of us could identify with Shock...BAH GAWD Kawada Kick!!!

Burning Lariat!!! Fisherman Buster's STF's etc etc. \

 

out of the whole group of them there are 5 decent wrestlers

 

Jazz the former female Phenom of ECW. pretty much the stiffest one of all.

 

Ivory, she is old school from the GLOW organization in the 80's when they kick started the womens division in 99 she was the only Legit woman's wrestler outside the short stint with Luna.

 

Molly we knew she had potential in those run ins she did in WCW as Ms Madness but she has become Phenomnial Chain wrestler and flyer for someone of her stature.

 

Jacky Like Ivory was in the wrestling business for a good deal 0of time. and has really been a solid performer. Though she seems to have taken herself out of the full time wrestling and more into reffing.

 

Trish.. Originally in 2000 Trish couldn't do Shit.... in 2001 she improved..slightly but still couldn't do shit, actually her match with Steph at No Way Out 2001 it looked like Stephanie was actually better than her... but from 2002 and 2003 she has Improved greatly and seem unmoved at taking some real bumps for effect.

 

the rest of the dretches of women wrestling

Lita who only got what a Rana and a moonsault...Maybe if she doesn't break her neck doing it. Actually her flying rana's and Head scissors especially when they hit on the opponent on the floor seems so dangerously sloppy.

 

Sable... nuff said

 

Dawn Marie.. Nuff Said

 

Jacki Gaeta nuff said

Edited September 8, 2003 by Trivia247