How to stop the bleeding

[Guest Anglesault]

Okay, after last night's Iron Man match that was spectactularly...uhm, there, the WWE accomplished two things.

 

a) They restored some of Brock's cred that they destroyed for no apparent reason over the Summer. The early running away was stupid.

 

b) They dealt a fairly large blow to Angle's who had been built up pretty well up until last night.

 

Until last night when....

 

> He was on the defensive for about 85 percent of the match

 

> He was pinned relatively cleanly right away to the F5 (There was about 40 seconds of recovery time after the chair shot).

 

> He tapped totally cleanly and almost immediately to his own hold.

 

> He was pinned totally cleanly off a superplex.

 

> He was pinned by a belt shot, which no one loese to anymore, but that can slide, since at least it was cheating.

 

>He was knocked out fair and square on the outside and counted out.

 

> One of his four wins came off a DQ, where he did nothing.

 

>Another was a "desparation" Angle Slam.

 

>His "deadly" ankle lock, accomplished basically jackshit, as Brock survived four out of five (or three out of four, something like that) lengthy stays in the move, while Kurt couldn't last three seconds.

 

In my opinion, it basically made Kurt out to be an inferior in every way last night. However, since he was built up well beforehand, I think he can survive, as long as he does nothing stupid. This may disspoint some of you, as I mean he can NOT do an idiot comedy midcard feud with John Cena at this juncture. It will break down everything they've built up. Honestly, I'd have him run over the Big Show at No Mercy and take it from there. Any other thoughts?

[Enigma 0]

Let's keep Big Show off PPV please.

[Damaramu 0]

No....Angle's made the Big Show out to be a fool so many times that giving him another ass whipping won't do much. He needs to whip somebody news ass.

[Enigma 0]

I disagree. I think they should do an angle starting now where Angle completely hits a storyline downward spiral and starts losing to everyone. And then, he can come back at some point and beat the living hell out of someone established and then have his steam pick up again. The Iron Man took a lot from him, so they might as well make it a storyline.

[Just call me Dan 0]

With the lack of top teir heels on the Smackdown side, I'd say Kurt needs to be in the runnings of a Vince feud. Yes, i hate them too, but a feud with vince will always be heavily promoted, and will always be something "big". Taker could easily feud with Brock through Survivor Series, and leave Vince and Angle to go at it there. After plowing through Vince, he could perhaps feud with the likes of Cena, as he was just in another top program and clearly was the victor. there just is no top heel right now that he could really be in there with and not be seen as wasting his time. Smackdown has such an awesome roster, but there is a big separation between the few top guys and the rest of the roster. Problem is the two top heels are Vince McMahon and Brock Lesnar, but there are 4-5 guys who could easily be top faces.

[{''({o..o})''} 0]

I'm leaving for work so I'll just say this. Boo F'ing Hoo. People know he is talented and just like when Ric Flair was stuck in some stupid shit bounces back like nothing ever happened. It seems you want Angle to destroy every one and basically be the HHH ons smackdown.

[JasonX 0]

Okay, after last night's Iron Man match that was spectactularly...uhm, there, the WWE accomplished two things.

 

a) They restored some of Brock's cred that they destroyed for no apparent reason over the Summer. The early running away was stupid.

 

b) They dealt a fairly large blow to Angle's who had been built up pretty well up until last night.

 

Until last night when....

 

> He was on the defensive for about 85 percent of the match

 

> He was pinned relatively cleanly right away to the F5 (There was about 40 seconds of recovery time after the chair shot).

 

> He tapped totally cleanly and almost immediately to his own hold.

 

> He was pinned totally cleanly off a superplex.

 

> He was pinned by a belt shot, which no one loese to anymore, but that can slide, since at least it was cheating.

 

>He was knocked out fair and square on the outside and counted out.

 

> One of his four wins came off a DQ, where he did nothing.

 

>Another was a "desparation" Angle Slam.

 

>His "deadly" ankle lock, accomplished basically jackshit, as Brock survived four out of five (or three out of four, something like that) lengthy stays in the move, while Kurt couldn't last three seconds.

 

In my opinion, it basically made Kurt out to be an inferior in every way last night. However, since he was built up well beforehand, I think he can survive, as long as he does nothing stupid. This may disspoint some of you, as I mean he can NOT do an idiot comedy midcard feud with John Cena at this juncture. It will break down everything they've built up. Honestly, I'd have him run over the Big Show at No Mercy and take it from there. Any other thoughts?

Simple way to rebuild Angle:

 

Ship him out to Raw in exchange for Kane.

 

Angle can come in as Austin's secret weapon against Jericho and Christian, who have been bitching about being played against each other by Austin or just generally ignored by him and not given PPV matches.

 

We can then get to see Angle work against Raw's midcard and get Angle to single-handedly resurrect Austin's dead and worthless character through the various backstage skits they can do where Austin's being a crybaby cunt and Angle the goofy voice of reason who can't understand why Austin's being a baby...

[Nevermortal 0]

Simple way to rebuild Angle:

 

Ship him out to Raw in exchange for Kane.

 

Angle can come in as Austin's secret weapon against Jericho and Christian, who have been bitching about being played against each other by Austin or just generally ignored by him and not given PPV matches.

 

We can then get to see Angle work against Raw's midcard and get Angle to single-handedly resurrect Austin's dead and worthless character through the various backstage skits they can do where Austin's being a crybaby cunt and Angle the goofy voice of reason who can't understand why Austin's being a baby...

And after he's done with that, ITS KICK WHAM PEDIGREE for him.

 

Ship him to Raw....yeah right.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm leaving for work so I'll just say this. Boo F'ing Hoo. People know he is talented and just like when Ric Flair was stuck in some stupid shit bounces back like nothing ever happened. It seems you want Angle to destroy every one and basically be the HHH ons smackdown.

I just wanted him to look competitive last night.

 

He didn't really. No huge damage, easily fixable as long as they don't compound it.

 

I disagree. I think they should do an angle starting now where Angle completely hits a storyline downward spiral and starts losing to everyone. And then, he can come back at some point and beat the living hell out of someone established and then have his steam pick up again.

 

Who has that storyline ever helped?

 

No....Angle's made the Big Show out to be a fool so many times that giving him another ass whipping won't do much. He needs to whip somebody news ass.

 

Show was the only heel I could think of that wouldn't be a drop off.

[Nevermortal 0]

Angle could always feud with Benoit again. I wouldn't complain.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Since they made such a big deal about Brock having to cheat his way to the belt, I don't think that Angle's hurt very much.

Isn't it getting more and more apparent that he's going to move on to Cena? I see another Angle/Edge type feud, which helped both guys a lot and helped make Edge a main guy overall. If he can do the same thing to Cena, good.

[Austin3164life 0]

Since they made such a big deal about Brock having to cheat his way to the belt, I don't think that Angle's hurt very much.

Isn't it getting more and more apparent that he's going to move on to Cena? I see another Angle/Edge type feud, which helped both guys a lot and helped make Edge a main guy overall. If he can do the same thing to Cena, good.

Ditto. Even though Cena is a rapper character, if there's a feud with just Angle and Cena, with neither of them doing silly, overbooked nonsense, than it'll be great, based on the elevation aspect of it (like Angle/Edge). There's a definite possibility for this feud to happen.

 

-Cena looks up to Angle in real life, so he can play it out like "Damn, you used to be da man, but now Brock cut off yo nuts, and now you ain't jack" or something like that. He can basically feud with Angle because he feels he needs to "slap some sense" into Angle, after taking down a legend like Undertaker.

 

-If Angle takes time off due to his sister's apparent death, they can play it up when Angle comes back (let's say, a month later). Cena can verbally trash Angle on the stick as long as Angle's out, and Cena basically calls Angle out as a "chicken" or what not, since he lost to Brock in an Iron Man and then left (coughBretAustincough). They can build up a big match at Survivor Series and have Angle win in a back-and-forth match (neither man completely dominates, but Cena has the edge a bit more) and regain his status. This way Angle takes down a rising star-power heel (after they build Cena up), and Cena looks strong during the match for the most part, pulling out all the stops for a victory, but it's Angle the veteran who gets the win.

 

This is all assuming that the Cena/Eddy feud is done with and there won't be any more resolution to it.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

This may be just a smark trying to use wishful thinking but how about another Angle/Benoit feud???

[Guest PowerPB13]

> He tapped totally cleanly and almost immediately to his own hold.

I haven't seen this suggested by anyone yet(and Cole and Tazz sure didn't think of it)...but did anyone think that maybe Angle tapped out quickly to save himself for the rest of the match and not risk an early injury?

 

I had read reports on some of the Bret-Owen and Bret-Flair house show Ironman Matches where Bret did the same sort of thing, submitting quickly when caught in mid-ring submission holds so that he could "preserve" himself for the rest of the contest.

 

-Patrick

[Guest Anglesault]

Since they made such a big deal about Brock having to cheat his way to the belt, I don't think that Angle's hurt very much.

Isn't it getting more and more apparent that he's going to move on to Cena? I see another Angle/Edge type feud, which helped both guys a lot

Ah, you mean the feud that left Edge exactly where he started and had Angle wearing a retarded wig for a month?

 

Uhm...

 

Ditto. Even though Cena is a rapper character, if there's a feud with just Angle and Cena, with neither of them doing silly, overbooked nonsense,

 

BWAHAHAHA

 

Another reason Angle and Cena can't feud: Isn't Cena winning the US title?

[Guest Anglesault]

> He tapped totally cleanly and almost immediately to his own hold.

I haven't seen this suggested by anyone yet(and Cole and Tazz sure didn't think of it)...but did anyone think that maybe Angle tapped out quickly to save himself for the rest of the match and not risk an early injury?

If it's not suggested on TV, it doesn't matter.

[JasonX 0]

Simple way to rebuild Angle:

 

Ship him out to Raw in exchange for Kane.

 

Angle can come in as Austin's secret weapon against Jericho and Christian, who have been bitching about being played against each other by Austin or just generally ignored by him and not given PPV matches.

 

We can then get to see Angle work against Raw's midcard and get Angle to single-handedly resurrect Austin's dead and worthless character through the various backstage skits they can do where Austin's being a crybaby cunt and Angle the goofy voice of reason who can't understand why Austin's being a baby...

And after he's done with that, ITS KICK WHAM PEDIGREE for him.

 

Ship him to Raw....yeah right.

I'd rather see Angle dominant in the mid-card and actually accomplishing something (saving Raw from mediocrity) than doing jack shit on Smackdown where he's floundering on a show with barely enough top level guys to feud with.....

[Guest PowerPB13]

Dude, I wouldn't even wish a jump to Raw on A-Train...

 

-Patrick

[jester 0]

And after he's done with that, ITS KICK WHAM PEDIGREE for him.

 

Ship him to Raw....yeah right.

No, first it's pull down his tights to laugh at the thong he's wearing, then KICK WHAM PEDIGREE.

 

Or worse, since Kurt is great at elevating performers, he'll be laying down for Randy Orton.

[Guest Anglesault]

Or worse, since Kurt is great at elevating performers, he'll be laying down for Randy Orton.

...

 

He can't go to Raw.

[Papacita 0]

Personally, I'd keep Kurt in the title picture...possibly have a #1 contendership match between he and Taker, which Taker wins in screwy fashion. From there, they could play up heat between Taker and Angle with Brock and Vince turning them against one another to eliminate the two top threats to his title...or something like that. I dunno. I agree that a Cena feud isn't really doing Kurt any favors.

[Guest Anglesault]

A Taker/Kurt program would be pretty cool, but they're running Taker/Brock

[King Cucaracha 0]

This may be just a smark trying to use wishful thinking but how about another Angle/Benoit feud???

Well...here we go again. Benoit has no reason to face Angle.

 

1)They've already met on PPV about 16 times...eventually, it begins to get repetitive.

 

2)Benoit should be feuding with Rhyno. Shoving Benoit and Angle together totally damages Rhyno. In an ideal world, Vince would be looking to keep as many of his superstars strong as possible. A Benoit-Rhyno feud would benefit both...Benoit-Angle wouldn't benefit Rhyno.

 

3)Benoit-Angle would be the most pathetic example of lazy booking ever. It's like ''Oh, Benoit and Angle have had about 8 or 9 matches on PPV before...lets throw them together again, give them a two/three week feud and hope for the best.' Just like at the Rumble. Sure, it produces a great match. But in the long run, it just leaves that match...a match which could have gone to someone actually given a meaningful feud with Angle. I'd rather see a Big Show-Angle feud with build-up than the Benoit-Angle 'One attack, they hate each other, we'll have a match' crap we usually get.

 

4)Face vs face. We don't need another Brock-Angle 'we're friends that will fight' feud. And we definatly don't need another turn. Eddie Guerrero has just turned AGAIN. Brock turned weeks ago. We don't need another Benoit or Angle turn. It would further damage the process of turning someone.

[Guest Anglesault]

2)Benoit should be feuding with Rhyno. Shoving Benoit and Angle together totally damages Rhyno. In an ideal world, Vince would be looking to keep as many of his superstars strong as possible. A Benoit-Rhyno feud would benefit both...Benoit-Angle wouldn't benefit Rhyno.

I agree on most of that but this Benoit/Rhyno feud is absolutely horrendous.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

We can then get to see Angle work against Raw's midcard and get Angle to single-handedly resurrect Austin's dead and worthless character through the various backstage skits they can do where Austin's being a crybaby cunt and Angle the goofy voice of reason who can't understand why Austin's being a baby...

So, your idea to elevate Kurt is to send him to the black hole known as Raw to play a comedy role as a 2nd fiddle to a broken down non-wrestler, while working w/ the likes of Test, Mark Henry, Rodney Mack, Le Res, & Steiner?

[Guest Anglesault]

We can then get to see Angle work against Raw's midcard and get Angle to single-handedly resurrect Austin's dead and worthless character through the various backstage skits they can do where Austin's being a crybaby cunt and Angle the goofy voice of reason who can't understand why Austin's being a baby...

So, your idea to elevate Kurt is to send him to the black hole known as Raw to play a comedy role as a 2nd fiddle to a broken down non-wrestler, while working w/ the likes of Test, Mark Henry, Rodney Mack, Le Res, & Steiner?

The whole thing kind of sounds like when Debra was Foley's Lt. Commissioner.

[King Cucaracha 0]

2)Benoit should be feuding with Rhyno. Shoving Benoit and Angle together totally damages Rhyno. In an ideal world, Vince would be looking to keep as many of his superstars strong as possible. A Benoit-Rhyno feud would benefit both...Benoit-Angle wouldn't benefit Rhyno.

I agree on most of that but this Benoit/Rhyno feud is absolutely horrendous.

Oh yeah...but that's probably on Vince's to do list...

 

 

"I have a to do list...

 

 

AAAAAHHHHH"

[Nevermortal 0]

2)Benoit should be feuding with Rhyno. Shoving Benoit and Angle together totally damages Rhyno. In an ideal world, Vince would be looking to keep as many of his superstars strong as possible. A Benoit-Rhyno feud would benefit both...Benoit-Angle wouldn't benefit Rhyno.

I agree on most of that but this Benoit/Rhyno feud is absolutely horrendous.

I agree. Rhyno's gotten JACK SHIT in terms of victories since then and the only progress he's had so far is when he conspired with A-Train. It doesn't say much for him.

[King Cucaracha 0]

2)Benoit should be feuding with Rhyno. Shoving Benoit and Angle together totally damages Rhyno. In an ideal world, Vince would be looking to keep as many of his superstars strong as possible. A Benoit-Rhyno feud would benefit both...Benoit-Angle wouldn't benefit Rhyno.

I agree on most of that but this Benoit/Rhyno feud is absolutely horrendous.

I agree. Rhyno's gotten JACK SHIT in terms of victories since then and the only progress he's had so far is when he conspired with A-Train. It doesn't say much for him.

Which is why throwing Angle in with Benoit before the Benoit/Rhyno feud is improved and finished is a BAD idea.

[Guest Anglesault]

2)Benoit should be feuding with Rhyno. Shoving Benoit and Angle together totally damages Rhyno. In an ideal world, Vince would be looking to keep as many of his superstars strong as possible. A Benoit-Rhyno feud would benefit both...Benoit-Angle wouldn't benefit Rhyno.

I agree on most of that but this Benoit/Rhyno feud is absolutely horrendous.

I agree. Rhyno's gotten JACK SHIT in terms of victories since then and the only progress he's had so far is when he conspired with A-Train. It doesn't say much for him.

Which is why throwing Angle in with Benoit before the Benoit/Rhyno feud is improved and finished is a BAD idea.

I don't know. Maybe it's best just to Euthanize this feud, move them both on, and never utter the words "Benoit vs. Rhyno" again