New Book Upsets Christians

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

However, just being virulently anti-Christian isn't acceptable.

 

Why not? You chose to be christian. It's not like you were born that way.

Do you apply the same standard to gays?

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

It's A book.

 

Who gives a shit?

[Guest Eagan469]

However, just being virulently anti-Christian isn't acceptable.

 

Why not? You chose to be christian. It's not like you were born that way.

Do you apply the same standard to gays?

You are either brought up religious or you're not.

 

I attended the Luthern church until I was like 13, at which point I stopped going because I had better things to do.

 

Your parents raise you under their religion 90% of the time. Whether you maintain their beliefs in your own faith is a choice that you must make for yourself.

 

I chose not to.

 

As for the gay issue, I think that someone who's brought up in an environment that exposes them to homosexual activity, be it through the media or through their acquaintances, is more likely to become gay themselves.

 

You can't be born gay. That's not possible.

[Guest SP-1]

Your parents raise you in their religion 90% of the time, eh?

 

Where'd you find that pleasant little figure?

[Guest Eagan469]

Your parents raise you in their religion 90% of the time, eh?

If you celebrate Christmas every year, then I take it you're not Jewish.

 

Get my drift?

[Guest SP-1]

Christmas is also commercialized and more people know about Santa Clause than Jesus Christ being associated with it.

 

That's nowhere near the same thing. Remember that charming little "X-Mas" abbreviation? Actual Christians aren't going to take the "Christ" out of the word for the Holiday.

 

Innacurate. Bad logic. Sorry.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Well since Jesus wasn't even born on X-Mas, that doesn't really matter.

[Guest Eagan469]

Let me just say, I rarely post in this folder.

 

But for me to come in and have basically every one of my opinions shot down as "close-minded" is just ignorant.

 

Some of you seem like the type that have one opinion about everything and will fight to the death to maintain it.

 

That's fine, but you don't have to be assholes about it.

 

Listen to other people once in a while, their views may allow you to see certain subjects in a different light.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Christmas is also commercialized and more people know about Santa Clause than Jesus Christ being associated with it.

 

That's nowhere near the same thing. Remember that charming little "X-Mas" abbreviation? Actual Christians aren't going to take the "Christ" out of the word for the Holiday.

 

Innacurate. Bad logic. Sorry.

If kids have religous parents, Christmas will be a religous holiday.

 

If not, they get commercialised Xmas.

 

The two have pretty much become different holidays on the same day...

[JangoFett4Hire 0]

You can't be born gay. That's not possible.

Where's your proof? How do you know homosexuality isn't a trait instilled in the womb?

 

 

You like to spout off a lot of "facts" without backing them up.

 

There is no God (cuz Eagen says so)

You're not born gay (cuz Eagen says so)

 

 

Dude, just stick with your McCarthyistic Who is Prince Paul threads, at least you do something useful and get suspended with those.

[Guest Eagan469]

Those were my opinions.

 

I guess I'm no longer allowed to have opinions on this board without "OMG Eagan is wrong because he sucks go ban Prince Paul!".

 

The CE regulars here are disappointing, to say the least.

Edited September 20, 2003 by Eagan469

[Guest MikeSC]

Those were my opinions.

 

I guess I'm no longer allowed to have opinions on this board without "OMG Eagan is wrong because he sucks go ban Prince Paul!".

 

The CE regulars here are disappointing, to say the least.

To be technical, I don't remember anybody here asking you to join us.

 

Feel free to leave at any point.

 

You won't be missed.

-=Mike

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I'm gonna try and detach myself from this arugument as much as possible, but I'll say this: religion is a load of nonsense.

 

No one can prove God exists, yet no one can disprove it either. The result? Pointless fighting, some which happens on boards like this, other which happens between countries.

 

Everyone should live their life by believing in the people they love, not some trivial guy who lived a while ago. I treat everyone I like and love with respect and try not to hurt them. I didn't learn that from a book as such, but from life experience.

 

I have nothing against religous people, but I find their whole faith confusing.

[Guest Eagan469]

Everyone should live their life by believing in the people they love, not some trivial guy who lived a while ago.

Amen.

[Ripper 0]

Everyone should live their life by believing in the people they love, not some trivial guy who lived a while ago.

Amen.

Excuse me, but who the fuck are you guys to tell people how they should live their lives. Isn't that your entire argument against religion. So basically, you are saying "Stop living life like that and live it my way because I am right. Christians are stupid because they tell you how to live your life."

 

If Irony was made of strawberries, we would all be drinking smoothies RIGHT NOW.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

"should" not must. It's your choice, but I think most sane people will agree with me, and not argue just for the sake of it.

[Ripper 0]

What if the people you love are psychotic and want to kill people all the time. Two serial killers have a baby, they should believe in the people they love instead of the guy that said "Love your fellow man".

 

Can someone share with me what is the BAD thing about following Jesus?

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I go about my daily duties by trying to love everyone I can.

 

There isn't anything wrong with following Jesus if it makes people feel good about themselves or whatever.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Can someone share with me what is the BAD thing about following Jesus?

Jesus is one of those things where the message is good, but if you got the wrong messanger (fundamentalists) it can backfire at you and make you hate.

 

I think the lessons that the Bible teaches you are good. I'm a person of science however and there's not enough scientific evidence that there's a man in the sky who watches you all the time and sends you into a pit of fire and smoke and pain and suffering if he doesn't like what you do.

 

I was brought up from preschool to grade 6 in religious private schools. Every Monday morning we'd go into the Church on the premises for bible study, which taught that every species on the planet was created in a week. Every weekday afternoon we'd do science and be taught that we were simply on the tail end of a very old planet and that long ago dinosaurs roamed the Earth, etc etc. I actually got a question wrong on a test sometime because I declared that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. The teacher questioned me on that and I cited the Bible and asked why I got it wrong, to which she kinda mumbled, dodged the question, and walked away.

 

That was the point where it started dawning on me that I'd eventually have to decide what conflicting information I was being given would be seen as truth, and I simply chose the one that made the most sense.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

So, to lighten the mood around here, how about something SLANDEROUS OMG!?!?

 

http://www.theonion.com/onion3210/christde...mandsmoney.html

 

Christ Demands More Money

 

JERUSALEM—Dissatisfied with dwindling receipts in recent years, redeemer of humanity Jesus Christ issued a rare public statement Monday, sharply criticizing His followers' lack of generosity and demanding a marked increase in their contributions to the long-standing religion based upon belief in Him.

 

"Historically, I have asked for no more than 10 percent of the total earnings of my flock," said Christ in a 25-minute statement aired on Christian television stations throughout the world, including Trinity Broadcasting Network, Eternal Word Television, and Cristo Telemundo. "But recent cost analyses by my accountants indicate that current donations from my believers are not at this level and are insufficient to meet my earthly financial needs."

 

Christ underscored his point with an earning/expenditure chart illustrating that in the first quarter of 1997, He listened to an average of 233 million prayers per day while collecting daily revenues of $6 million.

 

"This works out to just two and a half cents per prayer, which barely even covers my overhead," Christ said. "If this sort of fiscal imbalance continues, I may have to answer even fewer prayers in the future."

 

"In my Father's house are many mansions," Christ said. "They are not cheap to maintain."

 

Christ cited Warner Robins, GA, resident Willard Baines as a prime example of the sort of tight-fisted follower with whom He is frustrated.

 

"Mr. Baines owns a grain-and-feed business that takes in some $800,000 a year, thanks in no small part to his faith in Me. Yet, last Sunday, he put just a single dollar in his church's collection plate," Christ said. "If I am not mistaken, this works out to a donation of just .00010052 percent of his overall gross-adjusted income for the said fiscal period, a far cry from the recommended 10 percent."

 

"He also lusted after his niece on two occasions," the Savior said.

 

Christ assured followers that He still possesses a boundless love for all humanity and that those who accept Him into their hearts will know salvation and everlasting life in Heaven, but expressed frustration over the feeling that He has "not, in my estimation, been getting my love's worth in return."

 

"My love," Christ said, "which passeth all human understanding and shines from the countenance of God our heavenly Father, shall be all you need and desire all the days of your lives. But I do need a reasonably decent budget to make that happen."

Christ told followers that his ancient covenant with humanity—in which He shall act as the people's shepherd, comfort them with His rod and staff, and shelter them all the days of their lives—is as good a value as they are likely to find anywhere.

 

"It is true that, in this era of downsizing and high prices, it can sometimes be difficult for a person to give unto Me 10 percent or more of their income, and still have enough left over for that new microwave or big-screen TV they've had their eye on," He said. "But do not forget that it is almost impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

 

Christ's most esteemed Earthly messengers are hailing Monday's statement as long overdue. "I am pleased that Jesus has delivered this important message to the people of the world," Pope John Paul II said. "The Catholic Church must begin collecting more money now if it is to continue to collect money in the future."

 

Christians worldwide are already responding to their savior's call.

 

"I guess I could live without a college education," said Owensboro, KY, Christian and mother of four Brenda Williams, 34, who recently dropped out of community college after donating to her church over $1,500 she had saved for tuition. "Some of my science courses contradicted the word of God, anyway."

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Why is that blasphemous?

 

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL ALIVE?!?

[Murmuring Beast 0]

This thread has now officially been deemed ghey.

 

[Guest SP-1]

I think the lessons that the Bible teaches you are good. I'm a person of science however and there's not enough scientific evidence that there's a man in the sky who watches you all the time and sends you into a pit of fire and smoke and pain and suffering if he doesn't like what you do.

That's actually a misunderstanding of why Judgement is Hell. Mother Teresa would have had a shot at Heaven without believing in Christ if it was about what you do. It's not about that at all. You can't earn Heaven.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Your parents raise you in their religion 90% of the time, eh?

If you celebrate Christmas every year, then I take it you're not Jewish.

 

Get my drift?

I'm Jewish, and I celebrate Christmas every year. Because my Dad's side happens to be Christian.

 

I happen to agree with Eagen, though, about parents raising their kids in their religion. I know I was (HEbrew school, was not an option) and I've only recently detached myself from it somewhat. At a certain age, it's up to you to make the decison about what religion you want to follow, but for about the first 18-20 years, it's up to the parents.

[Guest SP-1]

Well since Jesus wasn't even born on X-Mas, that doesn't really matter.

He was actually proabably born in the summer months. The early church as an institution began celebrating it around a Pagan harvest in order to make it easie to share the message of Christ with them. But Christmas, as it is, is rooted in the celebration of the birth of Christ, regardless of when it is. I could celebrate my birthday every May because that's when I want to celebrate it. It's the heart behind the ceremony that counts.

 

BTW, having recently gotten into the Levitical Law in-depth, I laugh at the the tithing jokes in that post. Some of the provisions that God gives in the offerings requirements are amazing. He was looking out for everyone.

[Ripper 0]

Well, there are the ADULTS of us that went out and made our own decision on religion and did what we wanted (chooseing to believe or not) That is what most people do.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'm Jewish, and I celebrate Christmas every year. Because my Dad's side happens to be Christian.

Wow, getting presents at Xmas AND Hanakuh.

 

You really are a Jew...

[Anakin Flair 0]

I'm Jewish, and I celebrate Christmas every year. Because my Dad's side happens to be Christian.

Wow, getting presents at Xmas AND Hanakuh.

 

You really are a Jew...

Damn right.

[Guest Choken One]

Well, there are the ADULTS of us that went out and made our own decision on religion and did what we wanted (chooseing to believe or not) That is what most people do.

I remember as a young kid, VERY young...My father and his side were pushing for me to be baptised because the rest of the family were including my older sister...

 

But My Mother stood her ground and refused to do that...

 

The thing was, My mother was the hardcore Christian of the bunch but When I was old enough to figure out the Sham of Christianity...My mother told me "You can only believe in what YOU want to, not what OTHERS want to"...

 

So from there I only Accept God and NOT religion.

[AndrewTS 0]

Anti-Christianity is SOOO cool! All the kids are doing it!

 

If Christians want to protest and boycott any stores carrying the book, that's within their rights, just like writing the book is within the rights of the writer.

 

However, the work in question hardly seems to be a smartly-written, intelligent read, so even if you're of the same viewpoint as the author, doesn't sound too funny. At least, despite the lude and crude jokes, Dogma managed to be clever and funny.

 

I too agree that giving it publicity may very well help its sales, though.

Edited September 21, 2003 by AndrewTS