BoboBrazil Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 What if the ppv is a 3 hour tv special that will air on a network as a 1 time deal for free? They could probably get a network to agree to a 1 time airing.
Jack_Bauer Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Jeff Jarrett v Hulk Hogan Who's gonna do the job ? No doubt they are gonna go all out on this one. Infact, they'll HAVE to go all out to make people wanna watch it, and the main event seems to have a good ring to it already.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 I don't like Hulk Hogan. Everyone knows this. The idea of a 3 hour ppv is a good one, IMO...but they should have just used Sting... Hey...maybe Styles can go over Sting on that show.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Also...do you think they'll hold the show somewhere closer to the north to make sure Hogan doesn't get booed? They should do it in Canada and book Teddy Hart. They need to put on multiple good-great matches on the undercard.
KTID Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 What's the chances of it outdrawing Survivor Series?
KTID Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Didn't think so. Just out of curiosity, what is a normal number for a WWE PPV?
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 They shouldn't even concern themselves with the WWE's numbers at this point. They should just thank God that they found Panda...use this time to get comfortable in their own shoes and then start growing a fan base.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Didn't think so. Just out of curiosity, what is a normal number for a WWE PPV? I'd have to look it up. But I don't know where to look... I know the recent ones have all done disapointing numbers...but it still about 100+ times more than a TNA show.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Well the .01 show did about a fifth of what Mania did. And it drew in about 4 times the fans a usual show does.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Wait a minute. Ignore those numbers I screwed it up. Give me a minute
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 I thought TNA shows did between 20000 and 30000 buys a week.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 I said give me a minute. I think I left out a zero.
BoboBrazil Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 WWE shows have been getting about 300k buys. TNA shows were doing 10-12k per week before the 1 cent show. They could be doing alot more or about the same now. Those numbers haven't been seen.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Sorry I posted that before you edited.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Here ya go. 300,000 (we'll just throw that number in) for WWE 25,000 (we'll say average) a week for TNA. So they're doing about a tenth the number of the usual (IE: Non supercard WWE ppvs). If you look at the whole month together...TNA probably does somewhere under a third of the buys WWE does in one show.
KTID Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 So, say they get a TV deal, build up this PPV as something special, get Hogan, Sting, other "names" to work the show etc. AND Survivor Series has the most gawd-awful line-up ever seen and does the worst buyrate in company history.... Can they compete?
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 Not unless Panda Energy decides to spend so much money on advertising that the marks decide en masse to order Hogan vs. Jarrett over Survivor Series. I don't see it happening...but TNA should still do a far better number than they are accostume too...and that is a definite postive. The show should totally put over guys like Daniels, Styles, Sabin...they should bring in Sting and Juvi and Teddy Hart. Pull no punches, put on a huge show... and the next week's buyrate should go up. Then they need to keep it going. They didn't capitalize on Jarrett vs. Raven's buys. They didn't capatilize on the .01 show's buys.... They really need to learn to get out of their own way.
Guest The Decadent Slacker Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 I'm actually happy about this. Hogan is a good move as a short term project, just so long as he doesn't get NEAR Styles, whether he's champ or not. But i do have a feeling Jarrett/Hogan is going to be a title match with a screwy finish.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 5, 2003 Report Posted October 5, 2003 They might be able to enter the 50,000 to 75,000 range for the show if they pull out all the stops. And that's going to need a Sting appearance and another decent name or two as surprises.
Guest The Real Nosferatu Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 Bring in Bret Hart!!! Or Maybe a few of Hogans friends.
Guest dvkorn Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 It will be interesting... Good move in the short term.... Hogan will bring in more buys, and he still brings some sort of media attention to it... ANd if they hype it up right then it should go good... but as a few others have said... they have to go all out on this show... Have guys like Raven, Styles and Sting in big matches and the lesser known guys have to have good matches... Sting Vs Raven is something i always wanted to see.. Jarrett Vs Hogan Sting Vs Raven Styles Vs Lynn that might be a good start but who knows...
tommytomlin Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 But comparing TNA's buys to WWE's and saying that unless TNA get near WWE PPV buys they're not going to be able to compete is dumb. TNA may be getting less than a quarter of buys than the WWE, but I'm pretty sure TNA's overheads are a hell of a lot less than a quarter of the WWE's. TNA isn't paying Kevin Nash 700k guaranteed a year. Their highest non-staff member contract would be Raven, and he'd be getting 80k max. Not to mention their few office staff, small production budget, barely any transport costs and running the same arena each week. A Hogan show drawing 80,000 buys is still as much as a success for TNA as Wrestlemania drawing 900,000 for the WWE. It's all about the scale.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 That's also true. There are alot of reasons that comparing their buyrates don't make sense to do... but what else are we gonna do all day?
Guest Doyo Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 WWE has tons of national television to promote their ppvs, TNA mostly just has internet and wrestling magazine fans. Even if TNA brings in the Rock, don't expect the buyrate to be anywhere near a WWE ppv. What will the price of this ppv be? Will people be willing to shell out more than the $9.95? Having the show in Canada would be a bad idea because they would have to pay to fly their whole roster, production people and equipment up there. I'm sure the ppv will be within driving distance of Memphis.
tommytomlin Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 Well, it's $10 for two hours isn't it? So wouldn't $15 for three hours make sense? Although they could probably charge $20 seeing as though Hulk and maybe Sting will be there. That's still $15 less than the WWE. It's a BARGAIN~!
Guest The Real Nosferatu Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 I honestly can't compare TNA to WWE because of the above statements. McMahon is able to shell out millions of dollars on stiffs like Mark Henry & Goldberg, while TNA is barely able to pay people like Norman Smiley $300 per show. (If multiplied by 52 is still nowhere NEAR what some WWE talent make)
DangerousDamon Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 Panda asked them to cut down on the swearing, and the chicks wrestling and stuff. And to be fair, Panda is pulling the strings, they see something they dont like, and theyll disapearr with the cash, and if that happens, all the decent workers will go, and Jeff will be like, "DADDY, I'm keeping the belt because there's no-one except Cheex and Monty Brown to defend it against" I understand that was probably sarcasm, but we haven't seen Cheex since week 2, and Monty Brown was pretty good for what he did. Had he stuck around, I think he'd be a fairly over midcarder. please to god, dont' remind me of cheex. that was just a scary sight
Guest The Real Nosferatu Posted October 6, 2003 Report Posted October 6, 2003 Who is Cheex anyway? I didnt watch weeks 2 & 3.
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