Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In regards to Shane stealing the Van Terminator, he's been using that move as his finisher since before RVD joined the company (i.e. WMX8), so it's not like he's doing it to bury RVD now... Actually, Shane has used the Macho Man elbow drop as his finisher since about 1999. Yeah, but Shane's also used the "Coast To Coast" as a finishing move since 2000. It's what won him the match against Vince at WMX8, and would have beaten Kane if the ref hadn't been out, so the fans can view it as the end of a match. So, since he's used it two times, winning with it once, it's now his to use? Does that mean the Pedigree was Owen Hart's finisher in 1998? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Correction! Shane used it at WrestleMania X-7, not X8. Thank you, drive through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In regards to Shane stealing the Van Terminator, he's been using that move as his finisher since before RVD joined the company (i.e. WMX8), so it's not like he's doing it to bury RVD now... Actually, Shane has used the Macho Man elbow drop as his finisher since about 1999. Yeah, but Shane's also used the "Coast To Coast" as a finishing move since 2000. It's what won him the match against Vince at WMX8, and would have beaten Kane if the ref hadn't been out, so the fans can view it as the end of a match. So, since he's used it two times, winning with it once, it's now his to use? Does that mean the Pedigree was Owen Hart's finisher in 1998? No, but he's used it as a high profile finisher in two very big matches, so fans are gonna associate it with him as much as the Macho Man elbow drop (which I can't remember him finishing with in ages). Also, he used it first before RVD came into WWE. It's not like he stole it from annother WWE wrestler to say "oh, look what I can do better than RVD". And, it's hardly the move that most WWE fans associate with RVD. If anything, Shane is getting that move more over with the marks than RVD has, so that when he goes for it, it'll get more of a pop. I still don't understand the problem people have with him doing it. It looks good, gets a pop, is a credible finisher, and is rarely used by anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Correction! Shane used it at WrestleMania X-7, not X8. Thank you, drive through. Good point. I wiped X8 from my memory... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Correction! Shane used it at WrestleMania X-7, not X8. Thank you, drive through. Good point. I wiped X8 from my memory... I haven't. Mostly because my Goddess won her first WWF/E Title! Sure it was the Hardcore title and didn't leave the show with it, but still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In regards to Shane stealing the Van Terminator, he's been using that move as his finisher since before RVD joined the company (i.e. WMX8), so it's not like he's doing it to bury RVD now... Actually, Shane has used the Macho Man elbow drop as his finisher since about 1999. Yeah, but Shane's also used the "Coast To Coast" as a finishing move since 2000. It's what won him the match against Vince at WMX8, and would have beaten Kane if the ref hadn't been out, so the fans can view it as the end of a match. So, since he's used it two times, winning with it once, it's now his to use? Does that mean the Pedigree was Owen Hart's finisher in 1998? No, but he's used it as a high profile finisher in two very big matches, so fans are gonna associate it with him as much as the Macho Man elbow drop (which I can't remember him finishing with in ages). He beat Bisch with it. I think he used it to eliminate Show from winner take all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In regards to Shane stealing the Van Terminator, he's been using that move as his finisher since before RVD joined the company (i.e. WMX8), so it's not like he's doing it to bury RVD now... Actually, Shane has used the Macho Man elbow drop as his finisher since about 1999. Yeah, but Shane's also used the "Coast To Coast" as a finishing move since 2000. It's what won him the match against Vince at WMX8, and would have beaten Kane if the ref hadn't been out, so the fans can view it as the end of a match. So, since he's used it two times, winning with it once, it's now his to use? Does that mean the Pedigree was Owen Hart's finisher in 1998? No, but he's used it as a high profile finisher in two very big matches, so fans are gonna associate it with him as much as the Macho Man elbow drop (which I can't remember him finishing with in ages). He beat Bisch with it. I think he used it to eliminate Show from winner take all Bisch is a non wrestler. It hardly builds up the legitimacy of the move. And didn't Shane only use the elbow drop as a finisher in the Winner Takes All Match after everybody else did their finisher on him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In regards to Shane stealing the Van Terminator, he's been using that move as his finisher since before RVD joined the company (i.e. WMX8), so it's not like he's doing it to bury RVD now... Actually, Shane has used the Macho Man elbow drop as his finisher since about 1999. Yeah, but Shane's also used the "Coast To Coast" as a finishing move since 2000. It's what won him the match against Vince at WMX8, and would have beaten Kane if the ref hadn't been out, so the fans can view it as the end of a match. So, since he's used it two times, winning with it once, it's now his to use? Does that mean the Pedigree was Owen Hart's finisher in 1998? No, but he's used it as a high profile finisher in two very big matches, so fans are gonna associate it with him as much as the Macho Man elbow drop (which I can't remember him finishing with in ages). He beat Bisch with it. I think he used it to eliminate Show from winner take all Bisch is a non wrestler. It hardly builds up the legitimacy of the move. Then your Vince example must be thrown out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Why is this even a debate? Rob Van Dam = Wrestler Van Terminator = Rob Van Dam's move Shane McMahon = Non-wrestler Non-wrestler's = Don't have any moves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In regards to Shane stealing the Van Terminator, he's been using that move as his finisher since before RVD joined the company (i.e. WMX8), so it's not like he's doing it to bury RVD now... Actually, Shane has used the Macho Man elbow drop as his finisher since about 1999. Yeah, but Shane's also used the "Coast To Coast" as a finishing move since 2000. It's what won him the match against Vince at WMX8, and would have beaten Kane if the ref hadn't been out, so the fans can view it as the end of a match. So, since he's used it two times, winning with it once, it's now his to use? Does that mean the Pedigree was Owen Hart's finisher in 1998? No, but he's used it as a high profile finisher in two very big matches, so fans are gonna associate it with him as much as the Macho Man elbow drop (which I can't remember him finishing with in ages). He beat Bisch with it. I think he used it to eliminate Show from winner take all Bisch is a non wrestler. It hardly builds up the legitimacy of the move. Then your Vince example must be thrown out No, because Vince is built up as a legitimate threat in his matches, and particularly in that one against Shane. Bischoff, on the other hand, is treated as a Karate loving fool. Nobody ever saw him as a serious threat to Shane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 It's an unwritten rule in the WWE that you don't steal other wrestlers moves. It's just proper courtesy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Why is this even a debate? Rob Van Dam = Wrestler Van Terminator = Rob Van Dam's move Shane McMahon = Non-wrestler Non-wrestler's = Don't have any moves But Shane is a wrestler right now, for better or worse. And seeing as the VT gets him a pop (ad is rarely seen as an RVD move anymore by the marks) why shouldn't he use it? Besides, he's not using it every week on television to show up Van Dam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 It's an unwritten rule in the WWE that you don't steal other wrestlers moves. It's just proper courtesy. He didn't steal it when Rob was in WWE, he stole it when he was in ECW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 And now Rob is in the WWE - give it back. When Shane works the schedule that Rob does, then he can be considered a wrestler. Till then he is just the boss's son who is abusing that power by a)taking the heat away from one of the top heels, b)taking screen time away from actual wrestlers, and c)stealing moves from actual wrestlers. I can't see how any of this is good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 RVD obviously hasn't complained about it. Because he'd either stop doing it...or RVD would have been fired! Seriously though... How can they think it's good business to have one WRESTLER's trademark move so heavily associated with a NON WRESTLER? Oh Right...he's a McMahon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 From 1wrestling, via 411.com: Management believes that the injury happened because Test moved his leg at the last second after Shane McMahon had started his jump for a Van Terminator. This caused Shane to land wrong on Test's foot. Management isn't blaming the owner's son? Color me shocked. Of course, that could be entirely true, but I just found that interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 RVD obviously hasn't complained about it. Rob's probably too stoned. "Whoa, cool move dude. Where did you learn that from?" "Er, it's your move Rob" "NO WAY! Stop messing with my mind man" ::Rob goes off to hide in a dark corner:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 I think it has more to do with RVD not caring much about anything at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted October 13, 2003 RVD obviously hasn't complained about it. Rob's probably too stoned. "Whoa, cool move dude. Where did you learn that from?" "Er, it's your move Rob" "NO WAY! Stop messing with my mind man" ::Rob goes off to hide in a dark corner:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 From 1wrestling, via 411.com: Management believes that the injury happened because Test moved his leg at the last second after Shane McMahon had started his jump for a Van Terminator. This caused Shane to land wrong on Test's foot. Management isn't blaming the owner's son? Color me shocked. Of course, that could be entirely true, but I just found that interesting. Oh, so it was Test's fault? It wasn't due to the fact that Shane is an untrained spot monkey? Thank God. I was concerned for a moment. Thus, for the record: Test screwed Test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Uh, of course it's Test's fault. He's the one who moved his foot. I don't like Shane as much as the next guy, but c'mon people. How could it be Shane's fault? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Uh, of course it's Test's fault. He's the one who moved his foot. I don't like Shane as much as the next guy, but c'mon people. How could it be Shane's fault? He's doing something he shouldn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 It wouldn't of mattered who did the move. Test is the one who put his foot in the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Of course it matters who does the move. If you were going to have someone do a move on you that could be painful, who'd you rather have, a trained athlete or someone else? RVD or Earl Hebner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 No, it wouldn't of mattered in that particular situation who did the move. If Test put his foot in the way, it could've been Shane, or RVD doing to move. Either way, his foot would have got broken because of himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 No, somebody like RVD who has been using the move a lot longer, and has performed the move a lot more times, would have a better chance of adapting himself to discourage injury than a guy who's scarcely used it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 OKay. I don't think you are getting this. TEST is the one who put out his foot at the last minute. No one, not Shane, not RVD, can adjust midair to prevent that injury. Therefore, it is TEST's fault that he got injured, because TEST put his foot out. Unless Shane landed wrong, then it isn't Shane's fault. He could of very well did something wrong, but according to the report, it was TEST that put his foot out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 OKay. I don't think you are getting this. TEST is the one who put out his foot at the last minute. No one, not Shane, not RVD, can adjust midair to prevent that injury. Therefore, it is TEST's fault that he got injured, because TEST put his foot out. Unless Shane landed wrong, then it isn't Shane's fault. He could of very well did something wrong, but according to the report, it was TEST that put his foot out. Yes, i can SEE what you're SAYING, but what Im SAYING IS that RVD would have a better chance of moving into a LESS dangerous POSITION than Shane would, how do you KNOW that RVD couldn't have MOVED when Shane couldn't have either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 It wouldn't of mattered who did the move. Test is the one who put his foot in the way. Are we assuming that management is saying the entire truth by blaming it on a wrestler instead of the boss' son ? I know if I was in the position of seeing a screwup at work and: a) either blaming it on an employee or b) blaming it on the son of the boss, I'd pick a. Just because management chose not to blame Shane doesn't mean it's not his fault. He couldn't have shifted his body over wrongly and landed on Test's foot? Test MUST have moved his foot the wrong time? Right. As far as I can remember, as stoned as RVD may be sometimes, I don't recall him breaking SOMEONE ELSE'S foot doing a Van-Terminator. But then again, I'm not Vince, so I must not see how stealing another guy's move and giving it to a non-wrestler is beneficial to the company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Yes exactly this story was probably spin doctored to make Shane look good and Test look wrong. It's not that far fetched. And yes RVD probably could've adjusted in mid-air. If he can adjust the frog splash like he does then I'm pretty sure he can adjust a few inches to avoid Test's foot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
