EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Here is this week's Torch copy and pasted from a wrestling board. TOP STORY: Hogan's coming to TNA for a big Sunday 3-hour PPV on November 30th and probably more. The deal wasn't actually done as of press time, but there's verbal commitments and whatever. Stuff just has to get signed. The deal is for Hogan to face Jeff Jarrett, which will probably turn into an NWA title match. Jeff wrestles current champ AJ Styles at the October 22nd show. There's no heat with Jeff and Hogan over what happened with Russo. There's a thought that Hulk might be drawing things out in hopes that Vince will make him an offer before things with TNA are signed, but it looks like Hulk is sincere about wanting to work with TNA. There's thoughts on the TNA side that maybe Hogan can do for them what he did for WCW, since WCW was never taken seriously by advertisers or merchandisers until Hogan joined, even though he was considered past his prime. The PPV will probably be held at an actual arena, since Hogan doesn't want to be wrestling in front of a few hundred people in a little building like he's a nobody. The TNA Asylum fans are also more rebellious and might boo him. Hogan isn't getting any ownership in the company, but will get a percentage of the PPV buyrate. Even if the Sunday PPV doesn't draw well, it will likely make cable companies more aware of TNA and possibly help with the promotions for the typical Wednesday shows. And in the ideal scenario, Hogan's name being attached will help them get a weekly cable spot. It looks as if Russo will have nothing to do with Hogan either on camera or behind the scenes, but TNA's hope is that Hogan will agree to work an angle with him. The angle would lead to Jarrett turning heel, which he hasn't wanted to do before now, when Russo turns on AJ Styles during the title match to align with Jeff. From there Hogan comes in and they play up the Russo/Jarrett angle from Hogan's last WCW match. THESE 5 THINGS I KNOW ARE TRUE: #1 - WWE settled it's lawsuit against the makers of the Owen harness. Parties weren't allowed to discuss the settlement, but a juror said it was for $9 million dollars. Other reports say WWE will get more than that to cover legal fees and stuff. WWE had to pay $18 million to the Hart family, but $11 million of that came from their insurance, so I guess Owen dying made them $2 million bucks. #2 - Jimmy Hart and Murad Muhammad, Roy Jones Jr's promoter, are pitching a duel boxing and wrestling deal to Showtime and HBO. Mark Cuban and Murad are neighbors and Mark introduced him to Jimmy. The proposal is for a one hour weekly wrestling show, then a two hour block once a month featuring both boxing and wrestling. The strategy would be to pull wrestling fans into the boxing and boxing fans into the wrestling, then market boxing and wrestling PPV's to both fanbases. There wouldn't be any live events with like a wrestling match and then a boxing match and then wrestling, but the 2 hour monthly show might go back and forth with taped stuff. The deal is nowhere close to being done, but with the big names and money and the association with Roy Jones Jr., they got their foot in the door. Which no other pro wrestling proposal would. This could all tie into Hogan and TNA. Hogan would likely be a feature point for any promotion Jimmy Hart is involved with, and this boxing/wrestling idea was in place before Hogan started talking with TNA. But since Jimmy Hart and Jerry Jarrett are old friends, and TNA is already up and running, maybe they join forces and TNA becomes the promotion they pitch. #3 - Shane McMahon murdered Kane on Raw. #4 - TNA's syndicated show Xplosion is now available on the Empire Sports Network. ESN is availble on DirecTV's regional sports package add-on. This package also has MLW and, unless TNA got their timeslot, IWA from Puerto Rico. # - A wrestling tape bootlegger pleaded guilty to selling illegal copies of WWE and ROH wrestling matches, and now faces 3 years in prison and a fine up to $250,000. WWE NEWS: - Jonah from Tough Enough may be getting a development deal soon. - Paul London and Spanky are expected to be pushed as an exciting babyface tag team. - Johnny Ace told Simon and Swinger that he spoke to creative about them, but the writers couldn't make up their mind before the TNA deadline. Dave Lagana told Simon and Swinger that he was very interested in them, but he can't hire people. So either Dave and Johnny don't talk, or there wasn't a lot of interest in the team. - Booker is scheduled to return on the 10th, hey that's today, a week later than originally planned. - There's an ongoing feeling that saddling Eddie with Chavo, either with the two of them feuding or as buds, is dragging Eddie down from the potential he has to get into the upper card. It was an obvious fit for them to be connected, but company insiders really think it's slowing the momentum Eddie had. Another thing being pointed out about Eddie is how he's able to turn it on and be alive for the cameras, but off camera he's extremely low key to the point that it may work against him with management. One guy even commented that Eddie's "brain is just burnt out" from all the drugs he's done. Aw jeez man. - Aside from the idea of using Austin and Bischoff to announce the JR/Lawler vs. Al/Coach tag match, they also considered having the Spanish broadcast team call it in English and carry them over both broadcasts. But the decision was made to use no announcers because they thought it sold the implications better, that these are the only two teams who can call Raw. - Midcarders Hate Goldberg: Goldberg told somebody that he doesn't sell stuff like punches because in a real fight he wouldn't sell it either. People are all predicting that he won't keep the belt long, since he buried himself with management too deep early on, and are pointing to the fact that they aren't sacrificing Kane to him as proof. - Midcarders Hate Shane: He showed up to house shows and wrestled in sweats, a t-shirt, and tennis shoes, instead of dressing like an actual professional wrestler. People couldn't believe that he beat Kane at house shows, although the general feeling was that it was the main event and sent the people home happy, plus it's just house shows. - The overall feeling on wrestler pay is that guys who've been around a few years are still making good money, but guys who have signed recently and don't get a PPV bonus check from being on the shows are not quite breaking the bank. - Days after his match with Coach, JR told people he was still sore. One guy said of JR: "He's a chain smoker, drinker, and a workaholic. He's not in any shape to do what we do, even for just a few minutes." - The Survivor Series is going up against the CFL championship this year, so there's some concern that the Canadian buyrate might be hurt. - On Byte This, JR said he didn't see a Hogan/Savage match being too likely for WMXX. Macho has responded, saying JR doesn't own WWE but talks about it like he does. - Bradshaw told a newspaper that he was planning to retire at 40, but is now getting a divorce and will probably have to work a few more years. - Triple H and Stephanie are apparently getting married at scenic Tappan Hills in Westchester, NY, a historic locale that overlooks the Hudson. - When Jimmy Yang started negotiating his deal, there was talk of teaming him with Tajiri. But Tajiri has gotten a push as a single since then, so who knows if that will happen. - Nathan Jones has been assigned to OVW, but if they care enough to make sure he goes there remains to be seen. - In addition to his eye surgery, and his contract renegotiation, Rikishi was given some time off to be with an ill family member. He has renewed his contract. Too Cool reunited at a Memphis show. - Certain WWE suits who don't blame the company for declining ratings are pointing their fingers at Viacom for the Spike TV switch, saying Raw/WWE wasn't heavily promoted as part of Spike TV when Viacom pushed it nationally and people haven't been able to find them. But they'll still renew with Viacom anyway. - An 80's WWF ring boy who worked under Mel Phillips, and who is now a grown man, BUTT-raped a 12 year old boy and is in jail. - Edge's timetable for return is around WMXX. - The Rundown dropped to #3 and about $9 million, pretty much ending any chance it had to be a blockbuster movie. - There's stories floating around both ways as to whether A) Stephanie will be leaving TV for a while after her match with Vince, and B) Steve Austin will be going to Smackdown. There's talk that what's gonna happen is they'll bring the angle where Jericho wants Austin fired to a head right around No Mercy, where Stephanie loses, and Linda will step in and remove Austin as Raw's GM. Oh but on Smackdown while Vince is gloating, out comes Linda to appoint a new GM and it's Stone Cold. And Vince is all ::gulp::. Then if Vince is still wrestling Undertaker and whatnot, that can be an Austin booked match, and possibly the end of Vince for a while so Austin can be alone in the Smackdown authority position. Except that the angle seems to make sense overall, it doesn't seem to benefit Raw to lose Austin. He's seen as one of the key draws for the show, so whether they would really move him or not remains to be seen. TNA NEWS: - The Nov. 30th PPV may take place in Las Vegas. A source says that TNA suits have been talking with the Aladdin Hotel, which is where the only WWA PPV in the US was held. Other sources say they've heard that TNA is talking about doing something in Vegas, but aren't sure if it's for the big Hogan PPV or not. - Some insiders feel that Hogan won't take a "percentage of the buyrate" type deal at first, and will probably want his money up front. Others suspect that he's just trying to negotiate himself into a good position on the WMXX card, but a WWE source doesn't know how likely that is. He says Hogan is probably on Vince's Mania wishlist, but thinks that Vince is frustrated with Hulk, although that doesn't mean Vince won't feel nostalgic once Mania gets closer. If the TNA PPV bombs, it may hurt Hulk's chances of getting back to WWE since his office enemies will have plenty of ammo about how big a drawing card he isn't. They pay attention to such things, cause during talks with Bret shortly after the WWA PPV, it was pointed out that his stock was at an all time low. - Early reviews for Dutch Mantell have been glowing. He and Russo are making an attempt to work together. Jerry Jarrett is still very involved in the power structure. - Konnan and Antonio Pena, who had a bitter falling out years ago, met for the first time since then in the TNA locker room. Vampiro was instrumental in bringing them together. - With Dutch coming in, there's speculation that Scott D'Amore's job is in trouble. He does a good job, but it's expensive to fly him in from Canada every week. - Dutch had a talk with Kid Kash about Kash's horrible reputation after he disagreed with AMW over how their match should be booked. - Vampiro has rubbed people the wrong way by having a few too many suggestions for his character. He's involved in the Raven vs. Sinister Minister angle, but doesn't want to be a supporting character. - There's some concern over the recent behavior of Shane Douglas. People say he hasn't been acting like himself, and is spending a lot of time before the shows sitting alone in his car. - Management told AJ Styles that, with the planned "Jarrett turns and joins Russo" angle, Styles will be turning babyface. He let people know that he was not happy because he feels like he only recently started getting over as a heel. CLASSIC TORCH: - Mr. Nanny debuted to a whopping $1.9 million at the box office. Making thing worse for Hogan was that Jesse Ventura was in Demolition Man, the #1 movie that weekend. - Bret Hart did a radio interview in Toronto and said: "What could you possibly see in Ric Flair? I mean this. This is the truth. Ric Flair was the most overrated wrestler there ever was. If you've seen Ric Flair wrestle once, you've seen him wrestle a million times. He's the most uncreative, unimaginative wrestler there ever was. He was the pits. You don't know anything about wrestling if you think Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler. (Wrestling) Ric Flair was the biggest letdown of my entire career. On a scale of one-to-ten, I'd rate Ric Flair about a three. He sucks." - UWFI Shoot Wrestling, a Japan based import show, debuted on PPV. Early estimates were around 100,000 buys, better than WCW's previous PPV had done. It was a more realistic, but still worked, match style that they presented as a sport. Bad News Brown, Gary Albright, and Dan Severn were among some of the people on the show. Lou Thesz did a Torch Talk pimping UWFI and saying it would be a real winner unlike that fake WWF and WCW junk. ON TOPIC WITH JASON POWELL: He transcribes Goldberg comments from Byte This and then tells you what Goldberg was actually thinking. Like while discussing his fight with Jericho, he was really thinking: "You are all man, Bill. You did not get beat up by a guy who is smaller than you. Just go to your happy place. You are a fighting machine. You do not have a small penis!" THIS WEEK WITH WADE KELLER: He runs down some pros and cons for TNA and Hogan working with each other. THE MCNEILL FACTOR: He pitches an Austin/Flair match for Mania, since building to an Austin match should do big business and Flair is an ideal opponent for many reasons. TORCH TALK WITH RAVEN: At long last we can hear Raven's deep thoughts on the legalization of drugs. Keller: At two different points in this interview we've talked about creativity and about drug usage. Do you think the amount of drug usage in ECW your first time and your second time there made the product better, worse, or no different at all? Raven: Honestly, I think it added the first time. I think there is a certain thing to be said for creativity under the influence. Talk to Aerosmith. They'll tell you the same thing. Steven Tyler will tell you the exact same thing. There's a point where it's very conducive to creativity. Obviously, you can take it too far and it becomes a detriment. Keller: Let's say there were 25 wrestlers in ECW your first time there. How many of them were under the influence of drugs or extreme alcohol most of the time on most shows? Raven: We always said if you passed a drug test, you'd be fired. It didn't affect anybody in the ring. Nobody went to the ring to the point where they couldn't work. Everybody took care of them. There is such a thing as functional addiction. I was drunk and pilled up for years, and if I didn't want you to know there was no possible way you'd know that I was. I could totally function. There is always something to be said that certain drugs give you a heightened sense of perception. I don't want to come across that I'm condoning usage, but I also want to be totally honest about it. I totally think it helped my creative juices up to a point. Then once I went too far with the drugs, it became a detriment. But I think if you talk to any creative artist, they're going to tell you the same thing - up to a point they're beneficial to being creative, and then after a certain point they're a complete detriment. Keller: How much peer pressure is there if any at all for a wrestler like a Lance Storm or a Mick Foley? Raven: There isn't. Unless you've been in the locker room day in and day out you don't know, but there isn't anyone going…… Sandman doesn't put on a pair of devil ears with a tail sticking out of his ass and go up to you and say, "Come on, have a beer!" We were always of the mindset, more for us! If you wanted to party, great. If you didn't, great. Nobody was going to force you to. Now here's an example. A lot of people might have felt pressure to because they felt insecure or inferior. They might have wanted to do it to fit in with the gang. The gang never forced them to do it. The gang wasn't putting on pressure, people put the pressure on themselves. There were certain people who every once in a while would come do coke with us, but we'd say, "What the f--- is he doing that for? He doesn't do that." You could tell it was only because he wanted to fit in with us. But it was never us going up to him saying, "Hey, you've got to do drugs with us." Keller: When a wrestler gets really bad, is there enough of a fraternity that…… Raven: Yeah. The second time I was there, Paul E. goes, "You need to get cleaned up or I'll fire you." In WWE they got rid of (William) Regal, Jeff Hardy, they sent Eddie to rehab. I think it's bullsh--, this whole thing of blaming the business. I think they just want a scapegoat. People need to take responsibility for their own lives. It's really that simple. Keller: With your experience in seeing others take steroids, do you think that steroids should be legal? Raven: I haven't thought about that. Should they be legal? To an extent. Actually, they are legal. If you are over a certain age and your testosterone count is low, they're going to give you steroids, hormone replacement. I'm trying to separate your question. Do I think they should just be legal because they're not dangerous? Or should they be legal because all drugs should be legalized? Let me give you my gross overview: All drugs should be legal. They should be completely legal and they should be taxed. Then (a) we would not have the war on drugs costing us forty-gazillion dollars and (b) we would make all that money plus more by taxing them. And then people can make their own mistakes. The only reason we don't do that is because there are idiot right wing politicians who think they know better than everybody else and they're trying to impose their will upon us. You should be able to make your own choices in life. Keller: Would it destroy the U.S. economy if suddenly everyone was smoking pot and stopped caring about going to work the next day or getting their college homework done? Raven: It would help the economy because they wouldn't be spending all this money on the war on drugs. It would be the greatest thing for the economy they could ever do because all of a sudden you wouldn't have to pay for the war against the drugs and you'd be taxing them, so you'd be making twice as much money because you wouldn't be spending any. If you want to find pot now, you're going to find it. It's easy as f--- to find. Think about this. All the criminals who are dealing drugs would be out of work. It would literally change the face of the country for the good if they made drugs legal. Keller: Do you think steroids are dangerous? Raven: No, when used moderately. I don't think anything is dangerous when used moderately. It's like you could kill yourself with antibiotics if you take too many of them. You can kill yourself with aspirin of you take too many of them. Steroids are the same way. If used intelligently, they're incredibly safe. You could get by on a small cycle off and on for 20, 30 years. Do you ever see people dropping dead in the bodybuilding community who have been around for 50 years using them? No. The only guys dropping dead are the guys who get into the diarrehetics and the really toxic sh--, but the roids aren't killing anybody. Otherwise we'd be seeing all of these 1970s bodybuilders dead now because you know they're still using sh-- off and on. You don't hear about it. Schwarzenegger is still doing fine. All the bodybuilders from Pumping Iron are still doing fine. I mean, it's one of those things that they have been given a bad name because society doesn't want you to do it. But that doesn't mean that it's definitely bad for you. Almost anything is fine for you in moderation. Heroine is non-toxic to your organ system. When it is processed by your liver and kidneys, it is broken down into a benign substance. It is non-toxic. Acetaminophen is toxic. I'm not saying you should go out and do heroin. I mean, I'm just telling you there are a lot of facts that people aren't aware of that completely skew the argument in a completely different way. Of course, heroin is going to give you constipation, it's going to play havoc on your system because it's going to slow your metabolism down, and it's a bitch to find if you're an addict, you're going to be crawling around, slapping your arm, jonesing all day. Look at Ozzy Osbourne, he turned out pretty good. He's still with it. He's a happy guy. Honestly, I think the biggest problem with society isn't drugs, it's poor parenting. If you've got a loving family to go home to, you're going to be okay at the end of the day. It's pretty much that simple, I think. END NOTES WITH WADE: Haha boy does Goldberg suck. He made a cover and hooked the leg after his match ended by DQ. Maybe next time he should go for the pin while his opponent's laying on his stomach like Kamala always tried to do. Hey that HBO idea sounds interesting. END Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 "There's talk that what's gonna happen is they'll bring the angle where Jericho wants Austin fired to a head right around No Mercy, where Stephanie loses, and Linda will step in and remove Austin as Raw's GM. Oh but on Smackdown while Vince is gloating, out comes Linda to appoint a new GM and it's Stone Cold. " As long as Jericho beats the shit out of Austin with no Austin comeback at some point, this idea is ok. But if (and likely when) Austin's reign ends by making Jericho look like an ass then just leaving, it is fucking retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 "- Edge's timetable for return is around WMXX." YEAH! "Paul London and Spanky are expected to be pushed as an exciting babyface tag team. " Hey, Spanky's gettting pushed! Imagine that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 - Bret Hart did a radio interview in Toronto and said: "What could you possibly see in Ric Flair? I mean this. This is the truth. Ric Flair was the most overrated wrestler there ever was. If you've seen Ric Flair wrestle once, you've seen him wrestle a million times. He's the most uncreative, unimaginative wrestler there ever was. He was the pits. You don't know anything about wrestling if you think Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler. (Wrestling) Ric Flair was the biggest letdown of my entire career. On a scale of one-to-ten, I'd rate Ric Flair about a three. He sucks." *does spit-take* Sweet Jesus I'd sig that if I didn't have this MMA Gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Someone needs to ask him another example of a 3 wrestler, just to see who he ranks Flair next to. And ask him who, other than himself and probably Owen, is a 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Wow, those are fighting words, Bret. Wonder if he'll get a big backlash for that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 13, 2003 WONDER? This thread's going to get ugly REAL quick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 - There's stories floating around both ways as to whether A) Stephanie will be leaving TV for a while after her match with Vince, and B) Steve Austin will be going to Smackdown. There's talk that what's gonna happen is they'll bring the angle where Jericho wants Austin fired to a head right around No Mercy, where Stephanie loses, and Linda will step in and remove Austin as Raw's GM. Oh but on Smackdown while Vince is gloating, out comes Linda to appoint a new GM and it's Stone Cold. And Vince is all ::gulp::. Then if Vince is still wrestling Undertaker and whatnot, that can be an Austin booked match, and possibly the end of Vince for a while so Austin can be alone in the Smackdown authority position. Except that the angle seems to make sense overall, it doesn't seem to benefit Raw to lose Austin. He's seen as one of the key draws for the show, so whether they would really move him or not remains to be seen. Steph Gone = Good. Austin vs. McMahon = Bad. Austin on Smackdown = Bad. Linda still on TV = Bad. McMahon vs. Taker = Bad. ... I'd say the Good and Bad are pretty balanced here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 You don't know anything about wrestling if you think Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler. That means Meltzer's screwed, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 It should be noted that these comments were from a DECADE ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 - There's stories floating around both ways as to whether A) Stephanie will be leaving TV for a while after her match with Vince, and B) Steve Austin will be going to Smackdown. There's talk that what's gonna happen is they'll bring the angle where Jericho wants Austin fired to a head right around No Mercy, where Stephanie loses, and Linda will step in and remove Austin as Raw's GM. Oh but on Smackdown while Vince is gloating, out comes Linda to appoint a new GM and it's Stone Cold. And Vince is all ::gulp::. Then if Vince is still wrestling Undertaker and whatnot, that can be an Austin booked match, and possibly the end of Vince for a while so Austin can be alone in the Smackdown authority position. I'd be for it if it gets rid of Stephanie and Vince. Though i also note it says they'll only be leaving for a while, which means 3 weeks later we'd probably have Linda and Austin and Steph and Sable and Vince all clogging up Smackdown at once. Joy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 So who's going to be the number one face on Raw then? With Austin gone and all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 So who's going to be the number one face on Raw then? With Austin gone and all... Shane McMahon of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 "Here comes the money" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 JR? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 How could I forget Shane? Silly me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 So who's going to be the number one face on Raw then? With Austin gone and all... HHH, who else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 3 - Shane McMahon murdered Kane on Raw. Jonah from Tough Enough may be getting a development deal soon. Didn't he go to NWATNA? Paul London and Spanky are expected to be pushed as an exciting babyface tag team. Goody goody! the idea of using Austin and Bischoff to announce the JR/Lawler vs. Al/Coach tag match I actually wanted to see that happen. It could have been GOLD I tell ya. "He's a chain smoker, drinker, and a workaholic. He's not in any shape to do what we do, even for just a few minutes." Truer words couldn't have been spoken better. On Byte This, JR said he didn't see a Hogan/Savage match being too likely for WMXX. Macho has responded, saying JR doesn't own WWE but talks about it like he does. Man, Savage is just deadset on wanting to come back. I wonder if he would still want a return without Hogan involved. Bradshaw told a newspaper that he was planning to retire at 40, but is now getting a divorce and will probably have to work a few more years. The divorce FROM HELL! In addition to his eye surgery, and his contract renegotiation, Rikishi was given some time off to be with an ill family member. He has renewed his contract. Too Cool reunited at a Memphis show. Too Cool = Ratings! Edge's timetable for return is around WMXX. I hope he can make it to the PPV. -There's stories floating around both ways as to whether A) Stephanie will be leaving TV for a while after her match with Vince, and B) Steve Austin will be going to Smackdown. There's talk that what's gonna happen is they'll bring the angle where Jericho wants Austin fired to a head right around No Mercy, where Stephanie loses, and Linda will step in and remove Austin as Raw's GM. Oh but on Smackdown while Vince is gloating, out comes Linda to appoint a new GM and it's Stone Cold. And Vince is all ::gulp::. Then if Vince is still wrestling Undertaker and whatnot, that can be an Austin booked match, and possibly the end of Vince for a while so Austin can be alone in the Smackdown authority position. Except that the angle seems to make sense overall, it doesn't seem to benefit Raw to lose Austin. He's seen as one of the key draws for the show, so whether they would really move him or not remains to be seen. And if all else fails, move Bischoff over to SD to be the show's GM and let Austin just be RAW GM. The Nov. 30th PPV may take place in Las Vegas Woohoo! If this is true, I'm going! Management told AJ Styles that, with the planned "Jarrett turns and joins Russo" angle, Styles will be turning babyface. He let people know that he was not happy because he feels like he only recently started getting over as a heel. I'd like to see Styles as a face. I'm used to JJ being heel over the years anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 - Bret Hart did a radio interview in Toronto and said: "What could you possibly see in Ric Flair? I mean this. This is the truth. Ric Flair was the most overrated wrestler there ever was. If you've seen Ric Flair wrestle once, you've seen him wrestle a million times. He's the most uncreative, unimaginative wrestler there ever was. He was the pits. You don't know anything about wrestling if you think Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler. (Wrestling) Ric Flair was the biggest letdown of my entire career. On a scale of one-to-ten, I'd rate Ric Flair about a three. He sucks." Is this Bret kayfaybing? I agree that Flair's over rated, but I wouldn't say he sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 You know on the WOL tonight Meltzer said something in passing about that Shane will have his leg broken. I don't know if he was saying it in jest or if that's how they are going to blow off the feud is Kane "breaking" Shane's leg. I lost the connection to the show tonight about 25 minutes in and never could get it back so don't know if he said anything else about it. Of course that'd be good news just to get Shane off t.v. but have a feeling it will come AFTER Shane gets his win back at Survivor Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Well, Mr. Nanny came out out around what the early 90s so that interview's really old. Maybe Bret wasn't happy about his match with Flair in Canada. I'm hoping it was kayfabe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 wait wait wait wait WAIT... Shane murdered Kane????? talk about giving the rub...seriously. "We don't want to do rape or murder storylines" cough...cough....cough... if they announce his death on RAW... well... it'll be SD only for me...or possibly neither. Fuck WWE. Seriously. Fuck WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 In Brets shoot interview he kinda changes his tone.. - Shortly after this, Vince lost confidence in Flair for reasons that Bret didn't know or particularly care about, and one morning before a TV taping in Saskatoon they sprung the idea on him of making him the champ. Bret, in retrospect, thinks that had it happened even a day after they planned it out, the political vultures would have had enough time to shoot it down and he never would have gotten it. Ric apologized for the relatively low quality of the matches they had. Bret didn't like Ric's here-and-there-and-everywhere psychology, but thinks he's still a hell of a worker. - Credit SKeiths review. Oh and... - Kane was said to be very distraught following his car accident on Monday. The monster said that while he isn't upset over the accident itself, he feels strange not having forced sex with Katie Vick afterwards. http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/arti...icle_5630.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Well, Mr. Nanny came out out around what the early 90s so that interview's really old. Maybe Bret wasn't happy about his match with Flair in Canada. I'm hoping it was kayfabe. 1993, so it was probably ten years ago to the month or something. I remember the year because I recall that the movie came out shortly after Hogan was shunted out at KOTR 93. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 - Bret Hart did a radio interview in Toronto and said: "What could you possibly see in Ric Flair? I mean this. This is the truth. Ric Flair was the most overrated wrestler there ever was. If you've seen Ric Flair wrestle once, you've seen him wrestle a million times. He's the most uncreative, unimaginative wrestler there ever was. He was the pits. You don't know anything about wrestling if you think Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler. (Wrestling) Ric Flair was the biggest letdown of my entire career. On a scale of one-to-ten, I'd rate Ric Flair about a three. He sucks." *does spit-take* Sweet Jesus I'd sig that if I didn't have this MMA Gimmick. Ok then I will Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 It should be noted that these comments were from a DECADE ago. Ahem, already established Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Seriously, what did Kane do to piss off the McMahon's so much? Between being a rapist, necrophiliac, being mocked for being ugly, and now getting murdered by a non-wrestler I can't believe he hasn't quit in the last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JN News 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Why would they move Austin to Smackdown? For the longest time now, Austin has been the true Franchise of RAW. Why, because Austin has stuck with and stayed with RAW since day one. It would almost kill Austin if he had to leave RAW. Edge coming back at Wrestlemania 20 is so gonna rule. I'd love to see Edge go after either the U.S. Title or the Intercontinental Title. IMO, Mel Phillips should be executed for sodamizing that poor 12 year old boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Here's the thing... Vince actually thinks this is GOOD for Kane.. So if anything, good ol Glenn probably washed McMahon's car, or killed some ringboys or somethin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Isn't Phillips the kid that got raped by one of the WWF employees? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
