Firestarter 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 CNN story "We are gathered here at a time characterized by great challenges confronting the Muslim Ummah (community)," Malaysian Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said. "The threats of unilateralism, globalization and terrorism, the precarious situation in the Middle East and the uncertain future of Iraq... have only served to threaten our very survival." Oh, good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Have to say Marney, I don't see what is quite that bad in that article. Apart from the usual "Israel is the only one at fault" line, it just seems to me that Muslims nations are worried for their future in a time were they are seen as a threat to west (somewhat unfairly in some cases, i think) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Have to say Marney, I don't see what is quite that bad in that article. Apart from the usual "Israel is the only one at fault" line, it just seems to me that Muslims nations are worried for their future in a time were they are seen as a threat to west (somewhat unfairly in some cases, i think) It's a little funny, since their ACTIONS are why they're viewed as a threat. It'd be like Hitler bitching that the world is out to get him at the end of World War II. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 "it just seems to me that Muslims nations are worried for their future in a time were they are seen as a threat to west " Because they ARE a threat to the West. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Have to say Marney, I don't see what is quite that bad in that article Oh, nothing. Nothing at all. If we're really a threat to their "very survival," I'm delighted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jpclemmons Report post Posted October 16, 2003 the good ol PNAC plan is being put to effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2003 I'd really like to know how a country like Malaysia, which was present at this conference, is 'a threat to the West'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2003 I'd really like to know how a country like Malaysia, which was present at this conference, is 'a threat to the West'. Was it their Prime Minister who said that "Jews Run the World" and such comments? Wow, that doesn't show us any underlying hate, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2003 You mean these comments? I'm sure the AP took them out of context... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2003 Wait, Muslim leaders are spewing vile anti-semetic hate?! No way! What will you tell me next, that The Game is gay? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest croweater Report post Posted October 19, 2003 Have to say Marney, I don't see what is quite that bad in that article. Apart from the usual "Israel is the only one at fault" line, it just seems to me that Muslims nations are worried for their future in a time were they are seen as a threat to west (somewhat unfairly in some cases, i think) It's a little funny, since their ACTIONS are why they're viewed as a threat. It'd be like Hitler bitching that the world is out to get him at the end of World War II. -=Mike I'm really glad that you collectively grouped an entire race of people into not only one fundamentalist religions group, but the active terrorists of that group. If a Christian terrorised a Middle Eastern Country would you accept that you deserve any repercussions because YOUR actions, as a predominantly christian country were to blame..... I think not and yes, Malaysia is one of the greatest threats America has ever faced.....who will save you now???? Powerplay Posted on Oct 19 2003, 01:50 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE (tommytomlin @ Oct 19 2003, 01:28 AM) I'd really like to know how a country like Malaysia, which was present at this conference, is 'a threat to the West'. Was it their Prime Minister who said that "Jews Run the World" and such comments? Wow, that doesn't show us any underlying hate, eh? Cancer Marney Posted on Oct 13 2003, 04:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE (Zorin Industries @ Oct 13 2003, 08:42 AM) Have to say Marney, I don't see what is quite that bad in that article Oh, nothing. Nothing at all. If we're really a threat to their "very survival," I'm delighted. ^^^^^^^^^^ At least their hate is underlying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2003 I'd really like to know how a country like Malaysia, which was present at this conference, is 'a threat to the West'. Was it their Prime Minister who said that "Jews Run the World" and such comments? Wow, that doesn't show us any underlying hate, eh? Lots of people in lots of countries hate America, it doesn't mean they're a threat to you or your country. The way people in this thread have grouped every Islamic nation, every Islamic person in those nations and every Islamic terrorist in one big group called 'they' scares me more than some pithy comments made by the Malaysian Prime Minister. At least he had the sense to single out a few countries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 19, 2003 I'm really glad that you collectively grouped an entire race of people into not only one fundamentalist religions group, but the active terrorists of that group. Referring to the governments, not the people --- though since the governments don't have a hard time FINDING people to serve as terrorists, there is a problem with the entire culture of the country. Then again, the governments have turned their countries into shitholes, so I'd probably rather blow myself to bits than live there. If a Christian terrorised a Middle Eastern Country would you accept that you deserve any repercussions because YOUR actions, as a predominantly christian country were to blame..... I think not When the church can legitimately wield more power than the secular gov't --- even then no. I'm not fond ot hypotheticals, especially ones that won't happen in our lifetimes. and yes, Malaysia is one of the greatest threats America has ever faced.....who will save you now???? Malaysia is a nothing little state run by a sub-human monkey. So be it. At least their hate is underlying Do I dare ask what the heck you mean by this line? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 19, 2003 Lots of people in lots of countries hate America, it doesn't mean they're a threat to you or your country. The way people in this thread have grouped every Islamic nation, every Islamic person in those nations and every Islamic terrorist in one big group called 'they' scares me more than some pithy comments made by the Malaysian Prime Minister. At least he had the sense to single out a few countries We have a problem with the Middle East as EVERY country run by sub-human monkeys in that gigantic litter box of the world ARE a threat to world stability. They are dangers to the world and we, rightly, treat them as such. We don't discuss the same sub-human monkey-run states in Asia as they aren't nearly the threat to the world --- yet. And how did he single out a few countries? You mean the whole world that ISN'T Muslim. WHAT A GUY! -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest croweater Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Lots of people in lots of countries hate America, it doesn't mean they're a threat to you or your country. The way people in this thread have grouped every Islamic nation, every Islamic person in those nations and every Islamic terrorist in one big group called 'they' scares me more than some pithy comments made by the Malaysian Prime Minister. At least he had the sense to single out a few countries We have a problem with the Middle East as EVERY country run by sub-human monkeys in that gigantic litter box of the world ARE a threat to world stability. They are dangers to the world and we, rightly, treat them as such. We don't discuss the same sub-human monkey-run states in Asia as they aren't nearly the threat to the world --- yet. And how did he single out a few countries? You mean the whole world that ISN'T Muslim. WHAT A GUY! -=Mike Yes, because we can't cave a country run by "sub-human monkeys" especially one with lots of power and weapons who are a threat to world stability.............Yes America I'm looking at you. I love how you're saying that Middle east countries are a threat to the world, and Asian countries may soon be too. I hate to break this to you but if you take away the middle east and Asia, you don't really have too much of the world left. As far as threats to the world go, America is the one high on declearing war at the moment and higher on interjecting their economic and political views onto everyone else. At least their hate is underlying Do I dare ask what the heck you mean by this line? Cancer Marney posted that she was delighted that America was a threat to Malaysia's "very survival" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Yes, because we can't cave a country run by "sub-human monkeys" especially one with lots of power and weapons who are a threat to world stability.............Yes America I'm looking at you. No, we can't have a bunch of sub-human monkeys running these countries --- and, sadly, Muslim countries tend to be run by sub-human monkeys. States with NO concern about human rights or international rights. So, screw them. We would be WRONG to try and be friendly with them. They are NOT our friends. I love how you're saying that Middle east countries are a threat to the world, and Asian countries may soon be too. I hate to break this to you but if you take away the middle east and Asia, you don't really have too much of the world left. The curse of, for wont of a better term, evangelical Islam. We have to fight the spread of militant Islam all over the world, for the sake of ourselves and for the sake of their own people, who will be inevitably subjugated by a bunch of moronic sub-human monkeys. This is the problem that multi-culturalism has hit. People are unwilling to state that some cultures are better than others. Well, I have no problem whatsoever saying it. Western culture smokes Muslim culture in every conceivable manner --- and that if we allow Islam to spread unchecked (much like a disease, at this point), we will have a major problem. This religion simply chooses to place the blame for the horrid conditions of the states in which it is fostered on others, rather than where it truly belongs, namely in the hands of the assorted special ed-run governments. As far as threats to the world go, America is the one high on declearing war at the moment and higher on interjecting their economic and political views onto everyone else. We're also the ones who could conquer the world should we choose to do so, and we do not. We are the most powerful nation the world has ever seen --- and we're the ONLY one who did not seek to have colonies. We're the ONLY country on Earth who helps anybody who requests it. The rest of the world can bite our collective asses. Cancer Marney posted that she was delighted that America was a threat to Malaysia's "very survival" Yet, you still don't explain what the heck your attempt at a pithy comment meant. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Ah yes, America is the bad guy. I haven't heard THAT one before. Never mind the fact that we've done more for human rights and to make the world a better place in the last 10 years or so than 99% (maybe even a higher percentage) of the Muslim countries young croweater here is so fond of have in the past CENTURY. We're all imperialist bastards, that's what we are! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest croweater Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Never mind the fact that we've done more for human rights and to make the world a better place in the last 10 years or so than 99% (maybe even a higher percentage) of the Muslim countries young croweater here is so fond of have in the past CENTURY. We're all imperialist bastards, that's what we are! If not wanting to invade and "liberate" (ie. forcing people to do things the same way we do them) a country is being fond of them well I must agree with you. Sure, US gives a fuck load of aid and has done a lot for human rights. I support them for that. No, they are not the ONLY aid givers in the world, but America can afford to do so and so they should give out aid. We are the most powerful nation the world has ever seen --- and we're the ONLY one who did not seek to have colonies. We're the ONLY country on Earth who helps anybody who requests it Of course you didn't seek to have colonies. The cononial era was long gone before America stopped becoming Englands bitch and became what it is today. You don't want to have colonies, but you still want to milk poorer countries for all they're worth. This way you don't even really have to care about them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Never mind the fact that we've done more for human rights and to make the world a better place in the last 10 years or so than 99% (maybe even a higher percentage) of the Muslim countries young croweater here is so fond of have in the past CENTURY. We're all imperialist bastards, that's what we are! If not wanting to invade and "liberate" (ie. forcing people to do things the same way we do them) a country is being fond of them well I must agree with you. Sure, US gives a fuck load of aid and has done a lot for human rights. I support them for that. No, they are not the ONLY aid givers in the world, but America can afford to do so and so they should give out aid. Highlighted that part because yes, we are forcing them to have a similar democracy to ours. We aren't forcing a religion on them, we aren't forcing a belief of some sort on them, we are forcing a governmental system on them in lieu of many of them wanting a Theocracy. If you actually believe that they were far better under Saddam's Tolitarian Dictatorship (Which seems to be the point here since that's what we are destroying so that we may "force" democracy on them), please explain. And it's nice that you can hate us for giving aid to a country by freeing them from a hostile dictator yet still love us for doing it. Now that's talent. Or stupidity, one or the other. We are the most powerful nation the world has ever seen --- and we're the ONLY one who did not seek to have colonies. We're the ONLY country on Earth who helps anybody who requests it Of course you didn't seek to have colonies. The cononial era was long gone before America stopped becoming Englands bitch and became what it is today. You don't want to have colonies, but you still want to milk poorer countries for all they're worth. This way you don't even really have to care about them. We were England's bitch, yes. Then again, what happened 200 years ago really doesn't matter, does it? Oh God, watch me laugh at this statement. Okay, how are we milking Iraq, or Kosovo, or Bosnia, or Afghanistan right now? Please, do tell us. Because honestly, I haven't seen us try to "milk" smaller countries for wealth. We give tons of AID, though, to these small countries we are supposedly "milking". It's hilarious to see people resort to making outrageous claims that lack basis in reality against the US. It's almost comparable to what the Islamic extremists always claim of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 21, 2003 If not wanting to invade and "liberate" (ie. forcing people to do things the same way we do them) a country is being fond of them well I must agree with you. Sure, US gives a fuck load of aid and has done a lot for human rights. I support them for that. No, they are not the ONLY aid givers in the world, but America can afford to do so and so they should give out aid. WHOA, WHOA, WHOA! "America can afford to do so and so they should give out aid"? WTF? Sorry to tell you, Marx, but that isn't quite how it works. We don't owe ANYBODY a damned thing. We give aid because, in the end, we like to be nice and good. As for Iraq, ask the Iraqis how they feel. By all polls in that region, they don't seem to agree with you --- but hey, what do they know, right? Of course you didn't seek to have colonies. The cononial era was long gone before America stopped becoming Englands bitch and became what it is today. You don't want to have colonies, but you still want to milk poorer countries for all they're worth. This way you don't even really have to care about them. France had colonies well until the 1950's, when they had that rash of uprisings (you know, Algeria, Indochina, et al). At that point, we WERE the biggest badass on the planet --- and the only one not in ruins. We STILL chose to not have colonies. WE ended the imperialism era. The U.S. did it, not one damned country in Europe. So you can take your attempts at revisionist history and shove them. We do more for these "poorer" countries than ANYBODY else does. We give more than anybody else. Heck, what benefit was it to US to go into Somalia and try to feed the people? How did going into Yugoslavia --- a move that we FREAKIN' SPEARHEADED because Europe couldn't get their collective thumbs out of their asses --- help US at all? The U.S, while not perfect, is the most moral country on the planet. Anybody who attempts to preach at us should look in the mirror and ask what the heck they do for the world. They will come up SORELY lacking. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 As for Iraq, ask the Iraqis how they feel. By all polls in that region, they don't seem to agree with you --- but hey, what do they know, right? You know what annoys me about him, Mike? If those polls were in the slightest negative, he seems like the type of guy to be all over them, using them as an indictment of America. But they aren't, so he ignores them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 I love how you're saying that Middle east countries are a threat to the world, and Asian countries may soon be too. I hate to break this to you but if you take away the middle east and Asia, you don't really have too much of the world left. And what a wonderful world it would be. Can we include Africa in this group, too? Pretty please? kkk -- your friendly neighborhood xenophobe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 KKK... I'm ashamed. You forgot the Jews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Well, we gotta have someone around to produce rap albums. Yo yo yo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 21, 2003 As for Iraq, ask the Iraqis how they feel. By all polls in that region, they don't seem to agree with you --- but hey, what do they know, right? You know what annoys me about him, Mike? If those polls were in the slightest negative, he seems like the type of guy to be all over them, using them as an indictment of America. But they aren't, so he ignores them. No argument here. He is moderately annoying as he, well, is just a cookie-cutter lib. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
