Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 The Observer's top story for this coming monday's issue (I live only 3 1/2 hours away from where it is distibuted so I get my issue on friday!) it says that people in the wrestling business believe that WM XX will not exist without Hogan. Hogan has maneuvered himself into a nice position because he is going to do TNA in november and that is supposed to lead into that group possibly scoring a TV deal. This also puts Goldberg in the catbird seat because he becomes a free agent at the end of March and if Hogan and Goldberg were attached to an alternative wrestling project as the top 2 stars, the project may get off the ground. The questions here are... 1) Can WWE do WMXX without Hogan? 2) Will Vince bring Hogan back in time for WMXX so he can kill TNA's chances of getting bigger since Vince has vowed to not work with Hogan since he walked out on their program this last summer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 1. Yes. And it damn well should by this point in time. 2. Yes. But not for those reasons. Vince will bring him back just because that's what Vince does. Besides...if Hogan isn't on the card a cruiserwieght might slip through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Any good TNA news? I won't get to see it until tomorrow or Monday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 1. Yes. 2. Vince will try, but Hogan is alot smarter than people give him credit for and he knows he has Vince's feet to the coals. If anyone has the clout to stand up to Vince, it's Hogan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 1) Can WWE do WMXX without Hogan? Can't think of any possible reason why not. 2) Will Vince bring Hogan back in time for WMXX so he can kill TNA's chances of getting bigger since Vince has vowed to not work with Hogan since he walked out on their program this last summer? Of course Vince will bring back Hogan *if he can*. The question is will Hogan come back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted October 18, 2003 One wrestler, will not stop the show. In the last couple of years the WWE has lost HHH for a significant amount of time, Austin walked out for 6 months, Rock has been making movies, Angle got hurt and missed a lot of time, so has Taker, Kane, Edge, Benoit, etc. But the show has gone on. Aa long as Vince is breathing, the show will go one; no matter what. Besides didn't Hogan, quit? So who cares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Only way I want to see Hogan be at WM XX is if its in an unsanctioned match with Randy Savage...let the two actually fight. I personally would pay $30 alone for that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook Report post Posted October 18, 2003 1) Yes. The last WM from MSG was without Hogan and was great. No reason why this one shouldn't be the same. 2) Vince will try, but what happens depends on what Hogan's run with TNA does for the company. If they're able to become a viable threat to Vince, then I don't see Hogan going back. If it flops, they'll be having Shane avenging his father's loss from this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 He wasn't at X so why not? Although Vince will probably bring him back anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted October 18, 2003 I remember reading online, Vince saying he would never work with Hogan, again. But I guess who budges first, Hogan or Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Didn't Vince already say that in 93? And we all know what happened there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 They managed Mania 10-17 without him...so yeah, they'll be ok. Hogan's just not the same draw he was just 2 years ago. They don't need him. They need Mania 20 to be about where the company is heading, and not the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 18, 2003 1. Of Course 2. Of Course I'm still of the opinion Hogan's only working TNA to get on XX untill proven otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 1. Why does WWE need Hogan? 2. Vince did it before and will most likely do it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 I'd be all for Hogan having a match at XX. But only if he jobs by tapping to a Jackie Gayda armbar. Otherwise, I am not interesting in seeing more of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 I'm still of the opinion Hogan's only working TNA to get on XX untill proven otherwise. I completely agree. The only reason Hogan is doing any of this (working with TNA, New Japan) is to try to maneuver himself into a spot on WMXX for another big payday. However, if he senses that WWE won't have get a big payday for WMXX (the way they are headed, I ain't payin for any show) then he'll stay and work TNA and/or New Japan. On another Observer note. New Japan approached Hogan with the proposal to make him booker in exchange for more frequent visits. Hogan wanted to test the waters in Japan on this show before committing to anything and is pushing for Inoki to come out of retirement for the 1/4/04 Dome show. (for those not in the know, 1/4 every year is when New Japan holds a Tokyo Dome show that is the NJ equivalent of WM) When Hogan faced Chono on 10/13 in the Dome, the stips were that if Chono lost, he'd give booking powers to Hogan. That was a semi shoot because of NJ's proposal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Can WM XX exist without Hogan? Lessee...didn't need him at X7, XVI, XV, XIV, XIII, XII, or X. The last one he was at before X8 was IX. XX can "exist" fine without him. A more interesting question is if WMXX could exist if we went back in time and shot Hogan. As for Vince vowing not to bring Hogan back--yeah, we know how good Vince's word is, and his policy about bringing back people who burned their bridges in the past. I'd be shocked if it didn't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 I want Hogan to be at WM XX. Just one more match, one more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Its WM, it will sell anyway, and XIX didn't sell as much as Vince thought Hogan vs. Vince would. So why pay Hogan a huge amount of money for about 4-5 appearances? WM XX will sell itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Its WM, it will sell anyway, and XIX didn't sell as much as Vince thought Hogan vs. Vince would. So why pay Hogan a huge amount of money for about 4-5 appearances? WM XX will sell itself. Maybe because it was VINCE vs Hogan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Can someone please explain to me why Hogan would do this for money? The man is a multi-millionare, owns his own fucking JET PLANES and all, and yet he is STILL a greedy old man buying into this nostalgia act time after time. I loved Hogan back in the day as much as the next guy, but if anyone doesn't need money, it's HULK HOGAN. That's like Bill Gates winning the lottery, it's just fucking pointless. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 It can do without Hogan but it can do without Triple H, Goldberg, Undertaker, McMahons, A-Train, Big Show, Nash, etc... But I don't think WM XX can't be successful without Nathan Jones...I mean, he's the saviour...right. Am I right? Wait...he sucks... They don't need Nathan Jones then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Every time I catch the Smackdown opening and see that Nathan Jones is still there, it worries me a little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Can someone please explain to me why Hogan would do this for money? The man is a multi-millionare, owns his own fucking JET PLANES and all, and yet he is STILL a greedy old man buying into this nostalgia act time after time. I loved Hogan back in the day as much as the next guy, but if anyone doesn't need money, it's HULK HOGAN. That's like Bill Gates winning the lottery, it's just fucking pointless. UYI Well, I think it's more of the spotlight than the money. BUT...when Hogan gets the spotlight, he feels that since he's such a big star that he's entitled to a huge cash payoff regardless of how many millions he has. Remember why he left in the first place? Over a money issue--he was disappointed with the Mania payoff he got. However, as some one said before, Hogan is smart enough to know that he gets stale in time, so it seems he is going to go away for a while, then come back and get the huge pops and ovations again. Rinse, repeat. Ric Flair's, what, 55+ and still wrestles? So Hogan doing 10 more years or more of this wouldn't shock me in the least. Every time I catch the Smackdown opening and see that Nathan Jones is still there, it worries me a little. Me too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Remember why he left in the first place? Over a money issue--he was disappointed with the Mania payoff he got. That wasn't the only reason he left. He was pissed at being billed as the third highest face on the show behind Kurt Angle and (at the time) Brock Lesnar. He was also pissed that he was under a mask Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Hogan will come back...and he will fight Randy Savage. It HAS to happen...it WILL happen. There is too much money tied up in it, old fans want to see it, new fans do as well. The two biggest WWF wrestlers of the 80's at the 20th Wrestlemania, its going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Wrestlemania 20 without Hogan is like an injury report without Kevin Nash. You'd like to see it but you know you never will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest webmasterofwrestlegame Report post Posted October 18, 2003 They need Mania 20 to be about where the company is heading, and not the past. Its more likely to be the latter here - its being planned as a celebration of WM but none of the oldies will be at the top of the card. I've also read somewhere they are planning a WM1 celebration on the Saturday night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Hogan started off WM from the very beginning, him being at WM 20, to me its just the right thing to do after everything he's contributed to WWE over the years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 I don't mind homage to the past stars and a celebration or anything. But I'd really like to see them do something new this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
