RVD shoots..............again!!!

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

Where's all this Christian love coming from? If it wasn't for the tag matches last year, every single thing he's done since E&C split would have been utter shit.

 

However you must count what RVD can do outside of the WWE also.

Constantly stall after damn near every move?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Just off the top of my head, workers who can out-work Rob: Christian, Booker T, Kane (yes, Kane), Undertaker (yes, Taker as of late), John Cena, Jamie Noble, Rey Misterio Jr., Yoshihiro Tajiri, Eddy Guerrero, Chavo Guerrero, Spanky, Goldust, Rico, Hurricane, Guido (and I don't even LIKE Guido), Rhyno ...

 

Not even I would go that far.

[CanadianChick 0]

Where's all this Christian love coming from? If it wasn't for the tag matches last year, every single thing he's done since E&C split would have been utter shit.

And these are the same people constantly say Edge sucks. Figures.

 

However you must count what RVD can do outside of the WWE also.

Constantly stall after damn near every move?

 

Oh, touche. Good point though. I am a huge RVD mark, but to say his workrate in ECW was better than in WWE is stupid. He stalled so much in ECW, it wasn't even funny.

[Guest NCJ]

CanadianChick Posted on Oct 24 2003, 12:01 PM

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Where's all this Christian love coming from? If it wasn't for the tag matches last year, every single thing he's done since E&C split would have been utter shit.

 

 

 

And these are the same people constantly say Edge sucks. Figures.

 

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However you must count what RVD can do outside of the WWE also.

 

Constantly stall after damn near every move?

 

 

Oh, touche. Good point though. I am a huge RVD mark, but to say his workrate in ECW was better than in WWE is stupid. He stalled so much in ECW, it wasn't even funny. 

 

Yeah he did stall quite a bit in ECW, but only early in the match. After the first five minutes most stalling would be over with. His moveset was better, his matches were better, and he actually could show some psychology in his matches. As far as the Christian love goes, he has a better moveset than Edge when he is allowed to use it, and has had good matches with Jericho, RVD, Booker, and all his tag team matches.

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Yeah he did stall quite a bit in ECW, but only early in the match.  After the first five minutes most stalling would be over with.

 

This man tells the truth if you actually watch the matches.

 

Every RVD match in ECW followed the same formula. RVD, the overconfident cocky ass was always playing to the crowd behind a series of flashy moves in the beganing of the match. The opponent during the match would BEAT the cockiness out of him within five minutes.

 

3-4 minutes into a ECW RVD match, you would be hard pressed to see him stalling and playing to the crowd.

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Just off the top of my head, workers who can out-work Rob: Christian, Booker T, Kane (yes, Kane), Undertaker (yes, Taker as of late), John Cena, Jamie Noble, Rey Misterio Jr., Yoshihiro Tajiri, Eddy Guerrero, Chavo Guerrero, Spanky, Goldust, Rico, Hurricane, Guido (and I don't even LIKE Guido), Rhyno ...

[chaosrage 0]

Yeah he did stall quite a bit in ECW, but only early in the match.  After the first five minutes most stalling would be over with.

 

This man tells the truth if you actually watch the matches.

 

Every RVD match in ECW followed the same formula. RVD, the overconfident cocky ass was always playing to the crowd behind a series of flashy moves in the beganing of the match. The opponent during the match would BEAT the cockiness out of him within five minutes.

 

3-4 minutes into a ECW RVD match, you would be hard pressed to see him stalling and playing to the crowd.

And his matches were a lot longer in ECW. It's hard to keep up the same fast pace constantly when you're wrestling a 30 minute match.

[chaosrage 0]

Do we really need to go through this again?  I've lost count of the number of times myself or someone else has had to post burates, ratings to prove that Michaels was a piss poor draw.  He is the second worst drawing WWF Champion of all time, and sunk ratings and buyrates to all-time lows in 1996 (which would be dropped lower by Sid later). 

 

Maybe because he was the only big name still around besides the Undertaker? That might have something to do with it. Bret Hart left to go and find his smile. Diesel left. Razor left.

 

Bret Hart basically saved the WWF after his title win from Diesel (who was also a terrible draw), and Michaels pissed it all away and then some by King of the Ring 1996.

 

Well that would explain why Hart/Bulldog in dec 95 (a PPV that didn't have Shawn) did so good.... Oh wait, it was the lowest buyrate for a WWF PPV ever. And after Shawn lost the title in 96 and Bret came back, he brought the WWF down to a .35 for It's Time. Lower than Degeneration X. Shawn wasn't on that one either. King of the Ring 96 did better than Final Four. Shawn also wasn't there for that one. Hey, I think I'm seeing a connection.

 

His title run in 1997-98 also failed to light the world on fire, with HIS PPV (Degeneration X) doing one of the lowest buyrates in history.  It wasn't until the rise of Austin that things began to turn around, long after Michaels ceased to be anything. 

 

Bullshit. Ratings went from low 2's in the summer to high 3's right before Wrestlemania. Bad Blood had the highest IYH buyrate of the year.

 

Austin could have been fighting Brother Love at Wrestlemania XIV and it would have been a huge draw.

 

But would it have been as high? Over the Edge did lower than some of Shawn's from 96. One of them headlined by HBK/Diesel! Spend allll day figuring that one out.

 

Most recently, he killed ratings again in late 2002 before they went up again after HHH won the title back.  Armaggeddon 2002 did a dreadful buyrate as well.

 

I'm about the biggest HBK mark there is and even I wouldn't pay to see HHH vs HBK for the third time. Who the hell would? How is that Shawn's fault?

 

And according to the ratings break down, Shawn does bring in ratings.

[chaosrage 0]

And RVD never had the opportunity to draw.

 

Neither did Charlie Haas, but his numbers are substantially higher than RVD's.

Charlie Hass also hasn't been treated like total shit for a whole year now. I mean, what do people see when they turn on RAW? RVD getting his ass beat by Kane or a three minute curtain jerker (always the lowest rated of the night) where he gets pinned by a DDT or something. So he never had the opportunity to draw.

[chaosrage 0]

HBK's reign wasnt helped by the whole nWo thing flaring up in WCW.

 

Notice that all of those reigns were during the heyday of the nWo. I think anyone could have been champion and that would NOT have changed the fact that people weren't watching WWF at the time.

The NWO was at its height in terms of drawing power in 1997 and early 1998. You're thinking of when it reached its creative peak which is different. When the NWO was drawing its best ratings was when Undertaker & Bret Hart were champs and both of them drew better than Michaels did a year earlier when the NWO was still in its early stages.

Compare Taker's Revenge with Better Friends Better Enemies. Wrestlemania13 with Wrestlemania12. As awesome as Austin/Hart was with some of the best storytelling ever, it didn't do good business until Canada/USA came along. Ratings didn't start going up until HBK came back.

[KTID 0]

Do we really need to go through this again?  I've lost count of the number of times myself or someone else has had to post burates, ratings to prove that Michaels was a piss poor draw.  He is the second worst drawing WWF Champion of all time, and sunk ratings and buyrates to all-time lows in 1996 (which would be dropped lower by Sid later).

 

Maybe because he was the only big name still around besides the Undertaker? That might have something to do with it. Bret Hart left to go and find his smile. Diesel left. Razor left.

 

 

Anyone else noticed this? Is this a typo? Is it just really humourous irony?

[chaosrage 0]

Something like that. I always thought it was funny how everybody makes fun of Shawn for that line, but Bret did the same thing. Notice he didn't come back until right when Shawn lost the title.

[haVoc 0]

Bret also worked for the company 12 years at that point and was thinking about retiring after dropping the title to Shawn.

 

Shawn refused to job, faked an injury and lost his smile.

[KTID 0]

chaosrage, I had never even thought of that until now.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I think i wrongly said that Nash's title reign was during the nWo era.

 

I apologize as I was wrong.

[CanadianChick 0]

Yeah he did stall quite a bit in ECW, but only early in the match. After the first five minutes most stalling would be over with. His moveset was better, his matches were better, and he actually could show some psychology in his matches. As far as the Christian love goes, he has a better moveset than Edge when he is allowed to use it, and has had good matches with Jericho, RVD, Booker, and all his tag team matches.

Personally, I thought his best matches, from ECW and WWE combined were in the early part of his WWE run. No stalling, fast paced, relatively longer matches. Pretty good matches.

 

And sorry to ask, but where is Christian's moveset that you are talking about? A lot of variations of chinlocks?

[Guest Ray]

Bret Hart said he returned to the WWF in late 96 after Steve Austin begged him to return to stop Shawn's backstage bullshit.