RVD shoots..............again!!!

[Guest Askewniverse]

Alot of people just don't like RVD. He's an aquired taste.

People don't like RVD? Then why were there so many complaints when he was left off the main card at WrestleMania, or when he lost to a DDT onto a steel ramp?

[Guest PowerPB13]

I wonder how many WWE folks will now be more inclined to shoot off their mouths, now that they see that RVD's not only getting away with it, but is being "appeased" by getting the I-C Title...

 

-Patrick

[BoboBrazil 0]

Austin was the first to trash the company on air on Byte This before his walkout last year and nothing ever happened to him. Maybe Vince respects them for actually having the balls to say something. Of course if it was someone like Stevie Richards that said it he would be gone tomorrow

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Rob feels it might start from two wrestlers talking to each other, “you talk about speculation, obviously when I came into the WWE, and I was hurting people. They were getting hurt bad, but if they can’t take getting hurt they shouldn’t be in this business in the first place.

What a cockface.

 

You shouldn't be in the fucking business if you don't have respect for your opponents body, Van Dam, you careless, over-rated peice of horse shit.

 

I hope Vince fires his fucking ass tomorrow, then maybe Van Dam will realise how little he means to professional wrestling.

 

I'm with Game, FUCK RVD.

 

UYI

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Rob feels it might start from two wrestlers talking to each other, “you talk about speculation, obviously when I came into the WWE, and I was hurting people. They were getting hurt bad, but if they can’t take getting hurt they shouldn’t be in this business in the first place.

 

What a cockface.

 

You shouldn't be in the fucking business if you don't have respect for your opponents body, Van Dam, you careless, over-rated peice of horse shit.

 

I think what he was trying to get at was this isn't ballet.

 

Yeah--maybe RVD can work for WWE giving yoga classes to the other wrestlers or something.

 

WWE needs this man:

 

[Papacita 0]

People don't like RVD? Then why were there so many complaints when he was left off the main card at WrestleMania, or when he lost to a DDT onto a steel ramp?

I think the Wrestlemania complaints had more to do with the fact that RVD is one of the most over guys on the roster as opposed to being one of the most talented. Personally, I didn't have a problem with the DDT loss (let somebody DDT you on a piece of steel and see how fast you get up), but a lot of people saw that as a blatant attempt by HHH to protect his spot by killing off someone else's credibility. And no matter what your opinion of RVD is, there's no way you can justify leaving him off the biggest card of the year to make room for catfight girls.

 

A real world champion will not make purposely make his opponent look bad, which is exactly what Triple H did at Unforgiven last year. By making RVD look bad, he made himself look bad as well. RVD should be pissed off.

 

I've been hearing this for months. Exactly how did HHH make RVD look bad? Personally, I liked the match and thought it came off well.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

What a cockface.

 

You shouldn't be in the fucking business if you don't have respect for your opponents body, Van Dam, you careless, over-rated peice of horse shit.

 

I think what he was trying to get at was this isn't ballet.

Whatever.

 

Read Foley's first book and you'll understand what I'm trying to say here. I'll take the words of a credible, respected and legendary Mick Foley then the human spot-fest that is Rob Van Dam.

 

UYI

[Guest TheGame2705]

"Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man"

 

Didn't HBK become a star doing this?

Yeah but if you haven't noticed, HBK has also had great matches with Bret Hart, Chris Jericho, and aforementioned HHH.

 

A.)  Who cares if he is a pompous ass? I don't see where being an ass detracts from those qualities.

Well being a pompous ass doesn't exactly make you likeable or easy to work with. Everyone hates Triple H and Nash and HBK because they think they're conceited assholes. Is RVD a different strain of conceited asshole?

 

He has been the most over face when given any semblence of a push.

In what period? Right now on RAW, Austin is the most over face. HBK still gets big pops.

 

He has been in the top three faces when given nothing.

Top 3 faces of RAW? I will admit he is one of the most over people on RAW but being over has proven to not always equal buyrates/ratings i.e. Hogan in 2002.

[Guest TheGame2705]

No, Game has an opinion.

 

"I also wonder why he has a feeling Triple H doesn't like him. Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man and HHH exposed him in a PPV main event? Could it be because he landed on Hunter's throat off a high place"

 

This is ignorant, bad for business and clearly not RVD's fault in the EC match.

How is it NOT RVD's fault that his knees landed across HHH's throat? Was it on purpose? No. Was it by accident? Yes. Was it his fault? Yes. The footage wasn't doctored and there wasn't a computer animated RVD almost killing Hunter live on PPV.

[the pinjockey 0]

Wow, HBK had great matches with Bret Hart and Chris Jericho (both debatable BTW). Give him a medal. IIRC, RVD was able to hang with Jericho for a **** match at No Mercy 01 (?).

 

And it is easy for HBK to have a good match with HHH, because HHH is going to bust his ass to make his friend look good. If you have an opponent who goes out of their way to highlight your weaknesses, like RVD did against HHH, you are not going to have a good match.

 

And notice I said that RVD is the top face "when given a semblence of a push". Austin and HBK (debatable) are more over, because they are doing nothing with RVD. Hence my second statement, "when given nothing he is still a top three face."

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

No, Game has an opinion.

 

"I also wonder why he has a feeling Triple H doesn't like him. Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man and HHH exposed him in a PPV main event? Could it be because he landed on Hunter's throat off a high place"

 

This is ignorant, bad for business and clearly not RVD's fault in the EC match.

How is it NOT RVD's fault that his knees landed across HHH's throat? Was it on purpose? No. Was it by accident? Yes. Was it his fault? Yes. The footage wasn't doctored and there wasn't a computer animated RVD almost killing Hunter live on PPV.

1. He didn't build the structure.

 

2. I guarantee you he didn't lay out the match.

 

3. He didn't sit up when he's supposed to lay down.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

GOLDBERG had a fucking *** star match with Jericho this year, pinjockey.

 

It's not hard to look good when you're in the ring with Chris Jericho.

 

UYI

[Guest TheGame2705]

No, Game has an opinion.

 

"I also wonder why he has a feeling Triple H doesn't like him. Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man and HHH exposed him in a PPV main event? Could it be because he landed on Hunter's throat off a high place"

 

This is ignorant, bad for business and clearly not RVD's fault in the EC match.

Yeah, you're supposed to work with the opponent, not expose him. Plus as the heel and the vet he controlled the match. RVD's not a great worker but HHH is heavily to blame for that match.

 

Again, when in WWE are good ring skills required for a push?

So because HHH is the vet that means he has to work a totally different style to account for the guy who can't do anything but flip-flop around the ring? It's clearly RVD's fault because he can't properly sell and doesn't know how to do anything besides his flashy moves and stalling. It was a styles clash and RVD shouldn't have been in the main event with someone like Triple H if he couldn't do the work the champion was doing. I think the veteran rule doesn't apply because it goes above and beyond carrying, it's changing your own style and neither HHH nor RVD are more than one-dimensional in the ring.

[the pinjockey 0]

That's my point, UYI. Bringing up HBK having a great match with Y2J means nothing, because any decent worker can.

[Guest TheGame2705]

"Again, when in WWE are good ring skills required for a push? "

 

When you want to make anti-RVD posts.

In-ring skills also come into play when you want to make anti-HHH and anti-Nash posts.

[the pinjockey 0]

HHH changed his style for the match though. Instead of working the typical WWF main event style, he changed to an old school NWA style match. When you change your typical M.O. to show up an opponent, you are intentionally sabotaging him.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

That's my point, UYI. Bringing up HBK having a great match with Y2J means nothing, because any decent worker can.

My bad, man. Misread you.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"Again, when in WWE are good ring skills required for a push? "

 

When you want to make anti-RVD posts.

In-ring skills also come into play when you want to make anti-HHH and anti-Nash posts.

Point to ONE time I said HHH shouldn't be in the main event at all...let alone because he sucks.

 

The only time I say he should not be pushed is when he injures himself every fucking night.

 

I know WWE wrestling and I know that being "Good" or "Able to sell" could not mean LESS when it comes to ANYTHING.

[Papacita 0]

HHH changed his style for the match though. Instead of working the typical WWF main event style, he changed to an old school NWA style match. When you change your typical M.O. to show up an opponent, you are intentionally sabotaging him.

Maybe so, but I thought they did a pretty good job at weaving RVD's style in with the old school style, and Rob didn't come out looking bad at all, IMO.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Wow, HBK had great matches with Bret Hart and Chris Jericho (both debatable BTW). Give him a medal. IIRC, RVD was able to hang with Jericho for a **** match at No Mercy 01 (?).

 

And it is easy for HBK to have a good match with HHH, because HHH is going to bust his ass to make his friend look good. If you have an opponent who goes out of their way to highlight your weaknesses, like RVD did against HHH, you are not going to have a good match.

 

And notice I said that RVD is the top face "when given a semblence of a push". Austin and HBK (debatable) are more over, because they are doing nothing with RVD. Hence my second statement, "when given nothing he is still a top three face."

No it's easy for HBK to have good matches with anyone because he can bump and flip-flop around but doesn't always do that. He can actually hang with people who aren't big or do the same. HBK had a good match with HHH because he didn't try and work a totally different style than HHH like RVD does.

 

I don't see how working your own style puts HHH at fault. HHH works basic style. No flash, not anything remotely top rope. RVD doesn't know how to work basic style and thus he fucked himself over in that match. I can't see how it was HHH's fault to be honest. There have been great matches where a high flyer takes on a technician. Malenko and Mysterio had great matches because Malenko always worked on the knee to try and keep him down and it actually worked sometimes because Mysterio sold. Selling the knee doesn't have to mean Rumble '94 Bret Hart knee selling. Booker T vs. Triple H was a great example. Triple H worked on Booker's knee and Booker did a great job of selling the work when he did his kicks and the Houston Hangover. It actually enabled HHH to get the win. RVD made the match suck because he didn't sell the leg work to account for not knowing how to work a basic style.

[Guest TheGame2705]

No, Game has an opinion.

 

"I also wonder why he has a feeling Triple H doesn't like him. Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man and HHH exposed him in a PPV main event? Could it be because he landed on Hunter's throat off a high place"

 

This is ignorant, bad for business and clearly not RVD's fault in the EC match.

How is it NOT RVD's fault that his knees landed across HHH's throat? Was it on purpose? No. Was it by accident? Yes. Was it his fault? Yes. The footage wasn't doctored and there wasn't a computer animated RVD almost killing Hunter live on PPV.

1. He didn't build the structure.

 

2. I guarantee you he didn't lay out the match.

 

3. He didn't sit up when he's supposed to lay down.

How is it still not RVD's fault that he hurt HHH. If he couldn't do the 5 star without hurting HHH:

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

don't do it

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"I don't see how working your own style puts HHH at fault."

 

This isn't a discussion of styles.

 

This is a discussion of choices.

 

HHH's choice was to work a 20 minute mat based match where he worked RVD's leg knowing full well that all of RVD's offense is leg oriented.

 

He totally and completely went out to expose RVD's weaknesses when someone else could EASILY do the same to him if he weren't in his spot.

[Guest TheGame2705]

"Again, when in WWE are good ring skills required for a push? "

 

When you want to make anti-RVD posts.

In-ring skills also come into play when you want to make anti-HHH and anti-Nash posts.

Point to ONE time I said HHH shouldn't be in the main event at all...let alone because he sucks.

 

The only time I say he should not be pushed is when he injures himself every fucking night.

 

I know WWE wrestling and I know that being "Good" or "Able to sell" could not mean LESS when it comes to ANYTHING.

I used you to mean in general, not specific to you.

[Guest TheGame2705]

"I don't see how working your own style puts HHH at fault."

 

This isn't a discussion of styles.

 

This is a discussion of choices.

 

HHH's choice was to work a 20 minute mat based match where he worked RVD's leg knowing full well that all of RVD's offense is leg oriented.

 

He totally and completely went out to expose RVD's weaknesses when someone else could EASILY do the same to him if he weren't in his spot.

RVD doesn't know how to work basic style and thus he fucked himself over in that match. I can't see how it was HHH's fault to be honest. There have been great matches where a high flyer takes on a technician. Malenko and Mysterio had great matches because Malenko always worked on the knee to try and keep him down and it actually worked sometimes because Mysterio sold. Selling the knee doesn't have to mean Rumble '94 Bret Hart knee selling. Booker T vs. Triple H was a great example. Triple H worked on Booker's knee and Booker did a great job of selling the work when he did his kicks and the Houston Hangover. It actually enabled HHH to get the win. RVD made the match suck because he didn't sell the leg work to account for not knowing how to work a basic style.

 

EDIT: I'm done with the argument for now as I'm copying and pasting ideas and I'm having to reply to two people at once.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

No, Game has an opinion.

 

"I also wonder why he has a feeling Triple H doesn't like him. Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man and HHH exposed him in a PPV main event? Could it be because he landed on Hunter's throat off a high place"

 

This is ignorant, bad for business and clearly not RVD's fault in the EC match.

How is it NOT RVD's fault that his knees landed across HHH's throat? Was it on purpose? No. Was it by accident? Yes. Was it his fault? Yes. The footage wasn't doctored and there wasn't a computer animated RVD almost killing Hunter live on PPV.

1. He didn't build the structure.

 

2. I guarantee you he didn't lay out the match.

 

3. He didn't sit up when he's supposed to lay down.

How is it still not RVD's fault that he hurt HHH. If he couldn't do the 5 star without hurting HHH:

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

don't do it

RVD went up for the spot he was told. He realized that he couldn't jump up because the structure was retarded. He maneuvered himself to a point IN MID AIR that looked like he was going to break his own leg instead of hit HHH. HHH sat up and took it right in the throat.

 

Why didn't HHH roll out of the way? He was the ONLY ONE with ANY chance of preventing what happened.

[the pinjockey 0]

Yes, I am sure no one in the back told RVD to get his finishing move in the match somehow.

 

Back to the HHH/RVD match, I recall RVD being able to hang with Austin in a typical WWF style main event. If HHH would have worked the normal style that the main eventers used, the match more than likely would have been much better.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying RVD is anything special as a worker. But HHH found the most grounded style, to expose RVD in their match.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I'm not going to argue with you Game. We all know that HHH is infallible.

 

You win.

 

Everyone, Game wins this argument and every HHH based argument from this day forward.

[Guest TheGame2705]

No, Game has an opinion.

 

"I also wonder why he has a feeling Triple H doesn't like him. Might it be because he can't work a main event where he's not flopping around or bumping for a big man and HHH exposed him in a PPV main event? Could it be because he landed on Hunter's throat off a high place"

 

This is ignorant, bad for business and clearly not RVD's fault in the EC match.

How is it NOT RVD's fault that his knees landed across HHH's throat? Was it on purpose? No. Was it by accident? Yes. Was it his fault? Yes. The footage wasn't doctored and there wasn't a computer animated RVD almost killing Hunter live on PPV.

1. He didn't build the structure.

 

2. I guarantee you he didn't lay out the match.

 

3. He didn't sit up when he's supposed to lay down.

How is it still not RVD's fault that he hurt HHH. If he couldn't do the 5 star without hurting HHH:

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

don't do it

RVD went up for the spot he was told. He realized that he couldn't jump up because the structure was retarded. He maneuvered himself to a point IN MID AIR that looked like he was going to break his own leg instead of hit HHH. HHH sat up and took it right in the throat.

 

Why didn't HHH roll out of the way? He was the ONLY ONE with ANY chance of preventing what happened.

If RVD knew either he or HHH would get injured:

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Don't do the spot

[Guest TheGame2705]

Yes, I am sure no one in the back told RVD to get his finishing move in the match somehow.

 

Back to the HHH/RVD match, I recall RVD being able to hang with Austin in a typical WWF style main event. If HHH would have worked the normal style that the main eventers used, the match more than likely would have been much better.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying RVD is anything special as a worker. But HHH found the most grounded style, to expose RVD in their match.

HHH used the knee work against Booker T. Booker T sold excellently and it added to the match. Hell, it added to the finish.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

This is a tough business. And there are certain moves in the business that are high-risk moves. When we do them, we take high risk, that’s why they’re called high-risk moves. Every time that you do one, the odds go up that something’s going to happen. And this time, something happened. The time was right, and there it was.

- HHH, post Survivor Series interview