Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 6, 2003 So...are we going to ignore that the state of georgia was won by the republicans on the back of the confederate flag and the republican party flat out said they were trying to attract? Lets not act like Dean's comments, no matter how stupid, didn't have some truth to it. And to say that the Confederacy isn't celebrated in the south makes me wonder if you are talking about South America or South Dakota because in these southern states, it certainly is still celebrated. Ok how many times did Sonny Perdue actually mention the flag? Or Mark Sanford in South Carolina for that matter? Well, I can't speak for the Georgia race (OMG, I SAID RACE! RACIST LOL!), but Sanford didn't mention the flag that I can remember at all. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swift Terror 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 James Bond was born of a Scottish father, Andrew Bond of Glencoe, and a Swiss mother, Monique Delacroix, Damn, I stand corrected. No wonder Connery was the best Bond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 6, 2003 James Bond was born of a Scottish father, Andrew Bond of Glencoe, and a Swiss mother, Monique Delacroix, Damn, I stand corrected. No wonder Connery was the best Bond. Oh, no you didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 6, 2003 James Bond was born of a Scottish father, Andrew Bond of Glencoe, and a Swiss mother, Monique Delacroix, Damn, I stand corrected. No wonder Connery was the best Bond. Oh, no you didn't. At the risk of committing sacrilege, but I think Brosnan has been a really good Bond, honestly. Quite possibly the best. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 6, 2003 James Bond was born of a Scottish father, Andrew Bond of Glencoe, and a Swiss mother, Monique Delacroix, Damn, I stand corrected. No wonder Connery was the best Bond. Oh, no you didn't. At the risk of committing sacrilege, but I think Brosnan has been a really good Bond, honestly. Quite possibly the best. -=Mike Some may call this sacrilege, but Brosnan is the only actor to play Bond who brought absolutely nothing new to the role. He's an odd amalgam of Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Schwartzenegger. The problem is that he, Michael G. Wilson and Purvis/Wade are trying to please every Bond fan, and they end up pleasing no one. It's to the point now where the die hard fans have declared the last three successive films amongst the worst in series history and that's never EVER happened before. Contrast this with Timothy Dalton's Bond: he was darker, brooding, human, and relatable. Dalton in two films brought the character from Roger Moore's silliness to legit spy thriller. He and Connery were the only two to really GET the character Fleming put on the page and it shows. Plus, he just brings so much to the role: his skill with his leading ladys, his willingness to do many of his own stunts, his impeccable character research, his humor, which is the most subtle and darkest of any of the Bonds, and the amount of emotion and depth he brings to each and every scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I'll go even further. James Bond is highly overrated and only a select few of the movies are actually good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 (edited) I'm not a Bond fan, but if a character has been in movies this long then there's certainly a fan base for him so it's all good. Some may call this sacrilege, but Brosnan is the only actor to play Bond who brought absolutely nothing new to the role. He's an odd amalgam of Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Schwartzenegger. My question is, at this point in the franchise, isn't it OK for the Bond actor just to be a mix of the aforementioned Bonds? I didn't know each Bond had to be his own individual... Edited December 6, 2003 by kkktookmybabyaway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I'll go even further. James Bond is highly overrated and only a select few of the movies are actually good. Seconded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I'm not a Bond fan, but if a character has been in movies this long then there's certainly a fan base for him so it's all good. Some may call this sacrilege, but Brosnan is the only actor to play Bond who brought absolutely nothing new to the role. He's an odd amalgam of Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Schwartzenegger. My question is, at this point in the franchise, isn't it OK for the Bond actor just to be a mix of the aforementioned Bonds? I didn't know each Bond had to be his own individual... It's acceptable, but it makes it tough to call him better than the others who actually brought soemthing new to the role when they portrayed him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 That brings up the question--what else is left to bring to a character as one-dimensional as Bond? I'm obviously not as big a fan of him as you are, so I could be wrong here, but what exactly could be brought to a character that has been around for decades and is basically "perfect" in everything he attempts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 6, 2003 That brings up the question--what else is left to bring to a character as one-dimensional as Bond? I'm obviously not as big a fan of him as you are, so I could be wrong here, but what exactly could be brought to a character that has been around for decades and is basically "perfect" in everything he attempts? Well, the problem is, he really isn't perfect. He's captured in just about every movie, he makes mistakes and regrets them. He just always comes out on top in the end. As an actor, if I were the next Bond, I'd mix what Dalton did with a real menace. I'd like to see him be really ruthless and near-villanous in the heat of battle and then regret what he's done later. Try to add realism to the action and show the consequences of what happens. I'd try make him a little more human and less infallible, and to have him make mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2003 So...are we going to ignore that the state of georgia was won by the republicans on the back of the confederate flag and the republican party flat out said they were trying to attract? Lets not act like Dean's comments, no matter how stupid, didn't have some truth to it. And to say that the Confederacy isn't celebrated in the south makes me wonder if you are talking about South America or South Dakota because in these southern states, it certainly is still celebrated. Ok how many times did Sonny Perdue actually mention the flag? Or Mark Sanford in South Carolina for that matter? His campaign signs were his face over the Confederate flag. His major stance was the fact that Roy Barnes(former Georgia governer) didn't allow the people to vote on this flag. That was basically what his campaign stood on. He offered no ideas for education reform, he offered no state budget reforms...all he basically did was point out that Roy Barnes took their flag and he would guarentee a chance to get it back if he was governer. This got him major support from the rural white voters which were the difference maker in this race. So targeting those who are for the Confederate flag, as Dean said, is a good idea if you want to get elected. The difference of course being the Sonny Perdue didn't basically call of the people that wanted the flag back rednecks like Dean did. He also didn't put forth that Confederate flag waver=racist theme that Dean seemed to be taking. So basically, the Republicans in Georgia did the same thing, but they didn't do it like a fucking moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2003 Has anyone else heard that they want to put Reagan on the dime? You know, replace FDR? personally I think that if they gotta replace someone, put him on the quarter. Washington already has the dollar. Or put him on the penny, Lincoln has the fiver... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2003 I heard that. Why don't we just get it over with and change the United States of America to the United States of Reagan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swift Terror 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2003 This whole dime thing with Reagan is embarrassing. Just leave it alone, it makes the people doing this look bad. If it's successful, 20 years from now we'll have people lobbying to put Clinton on the fucking quarter or some shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 8, 2003 Has anyone else heard that they want to put Reagan on the dime? You know, replace FDR? personally I think that if they gotta replace someone, put him on the quarter. Washington already has the dollar. Or put him on the penny, Lincoln has the fiver... But you know the whole story behind Lincoln and the penny, don't you? If you line all the coins up, Lincoln faces the opposite direction as everyone else. That's because he's the only Repiblican in the group (or Democrat...whichever one was the more Black-friendly party back then). And the penny is dark because Lincoln supported freeing the slaves, which is also why it's worth less then all the other coins. Well, okay, that's a conspiracy theory, but it is kind of odd that the penny is so different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Nancy Reagan has said she believes her husband would be against putting his image on the dime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 ...but he wouldn't be against her image being used on the dime... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted December 9, 2003 Um, I rather think he would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
