Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Winner is Eric Gagne...he deserves NL MVP as well. Only one I would give it to over him is Pudge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 But no one has a chance except Bonds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted November 13, 2003 it's bad enough they gave the Cy Young to a guy who pitched 80 innings. If they give him MVP the human race must be extinguished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 it's bad enough they gave the Cy Young to a guy who pitched 80 innings. If they give him MVP the human race must be extinguished. He pitched only 80 innings because he finished the games quickly and efficiently He deserved this, and certainly deserves at least consideration for the MVP (although my vote would go to Pujols) Oh yeah, when Eck won the dual awards in '92, he also only pitched 80 innings And Mr. Handlebar in '81? 78 innings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Well wouldn't be the first time but I don't think he'll win. Pujols was the player's choice so I'd say he has a shot. MVP announcements aren't till next week. N.L. Cy Young Voting Points (1st place votes) 1. Eric Gagne (28) 146 2. Jason Schmidt (2) 73 3. Mark Prior (2) 60 4. Russ Ortiz 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Pujos and Bonds pretty much blew everyone away this year. And Gagne should definatly get votes since he basically assraped everyone he faced, but I can't give it to him when a guy starts all year with an ERA way under 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 13, 2003 And Gagne should definatly get votes since he basically assraped everyone he faced, but I can't give it to him when a guy starts all year with an ERA way under 3. Gagne came in with runners on base too (55 saves yet 80innings? That means more than the 9th in some cases) before the 9th and rather than allowing hits and letting a rally develop he shut them down. I bet hitters would be more likely to say "God, if we can just have a lead after 7" when facing the Dodgers than "I hope we don't have Schmidt today" when facing the Giants. Gagne strikes fear and causes teams to lose hope in coming back when he enters...when people face Schmidt they usually don't panic because they have like the whole game to get to him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Gagne totally deserved it. I get why pitchers shouldn't win the MVP since they have their own award and don't play every day... But as there is no closing pitcher award...cheers to the best season a closer can have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 13, 2003 But as there is no closing pitcher award...cheers to the best season a closer can have. well there is...its just not hyped Rolaid's Relief Pitcher of the Year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 i don't think Gange was ever chased out this year, except the all-star game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Winner is Eric Gagne...he deserves NL MVP as well. Only one I would give it to over him is Pudge Pudge didn't have an MVP caliber season. Bonds and Pujos are the front runners. Sheffield, and Lopez warrant more considertion than Pudge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Good choice. Closers are really underrated in baseball. You don't appreciate them until you don't have one, and blow all your leads late in the game. Gagne had one of the best seasons by a pitcher ever. He deserved the award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Prior was robbed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Also add in the fact that Gagne tied the NL Saves record with 55 Saves(Not to mention going perfect throughout the season as well), definitely deserving of the award Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Prior was robbed. If Prior hadn't collided with that other player and instead made all his starts he may have gotten it over Gagne...still, that's a big maybe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Prior was robbed. Haha, I was thinking the same exact thing and even gonna post it as "Prior wuz robbed," and then like two seconds later I saw your post. Cubs fans think alike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Eckersley's MVP in '92 was one of the worst years ever for the award. No closer should garner the MVP, IMO. With that said, Gagne actually led pitchers in Win Shares, so I see no problem with the closer winning the Cy Young this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Prior was robbed. If Prior hadn't collided with that other player and instead made all his starts he may have gotten it over Gagne...still, that's a big maybe The Yankee game? With the Korean guy? It was Prior who collided in that game? I thought it was Wood for some reason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Wrong incident. You're thinking of Choi colliding with Wood along the baseline. This incident occured when Prior ran into Marcus Giles near second base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 The Yankee game? With the Korean guy? It was Prior who collided in that game? I thought it was Wood for some reason No, a game against the Braves just before the All-Star break. Prior was running to second and he collided with that little pissant Marcus Giles, injuring his shoulder and shelving him for nearly a month. EDIT: Damn it Al, you're too quick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted November 14, 2003 The Cubs did a lot of colliding. I remember Prior being out, but I remember nothing of that collision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Cubs fans think alike. And Cubs fans are great minds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Great year Gagne had. I still think a starter should be awarded the Cy, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Gagne deserved the Cy Young. He didn't blow a save opportunity and absolutely dominated the opposition. The three runner-ups had good years, but really not good enough for the Cy Young. Prior probably would have won 20 and gotten more consideration had he not missed a month, and Ortiz won 22 in large part to good run support. Schmidt led the league in ERA and was solid every time out, but I think when you try to compare them Gagne had the better season. As for MVP I think Gagne will get consideration, but it will probably be either Pujols or Bonds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Had Gagne not won, it would have established a precedent that closers couldn't win the Cy Young award. 55 perfect innings, only blemish being the All-Star Games, what more do you ask out of a closer? What could a closer do to top that, aside from the obvious "win more games," and even then would that closer be considered for the Cy Young? Gagne was lights out the entire season. He deserved this award. Game Over indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Bah screw this. Jason Schmidt was the best pitcher in baseball this year, and he's going home empty handed after putting up a Greg-Maddux-in-his-prime-like season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted November 14, 2003 .....I FUCKING HATE Gagne....but he did earn the award....grumble grumble grumble... How ever if he wins the MVP MLB can eat my ass. Oh and "i don't think Gange was ever chased out this year, except the all-star game. " It wasn't a save situation but in I believe May Atlanta beat his ass and he was pulled. He was pissed off and kicked over a trashcan and on the way out. DON'T LET TRASH A CAN ABUSER WIN THE MVP!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 .....I FUCKING HATE Gagne....but he did earn the award....grumble grumble grumble... How ever if he wins the MVP MLB can eat my ass. Oh and "i don't think Gange was ever chased out this year, except the all-star game. " It wasn't a save situation but in I believe May Atlanta beat his ass and he was pulled. He was pissed off and kicked over a trashcan and on the way out. DON'T LET TRASH A CAN ABUSER WIN THE MVP!!! Yes, heaven forbid that a person take pride in what they do and be upset at themselves if they fail to live up to their standards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 .....I FUCKING HATE Gagne....but he did earn the award....grumble grumble grumble... How ever if he wins the MVP MLB can eat my ass. Oh and "i don't think Gange was ever chased out this year, except the all-star game. " It wasn't a save situation but in I believe May Atlanta beat his ass and he was pulled. He was pissed off and kicked over a trashcan and on the way out. DON'T LET TRASH A CAN ABUSER WIN THE MVP!!! You can't play for the Dodgers without abusing some kind of container in the dugout (see: Carlos Perez and Tommy Lasorda) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony149 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 Gagne deserved it. Helluva season no doubt. If John Smoltz didn't get injured I believe he would of won. Yeah he blew a couple of saves but he's the closer for a contender, a lot more pressure IMO. He was also well on his way to breaking the single-season saves record before he went down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
