JasonX 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2003 HHH: No, he's family and literally bullet-proof for obvious family Golberg: Possibly, but there is no one else in the upper card face to support Raw save for him so he is exempt Angle/Benoit/Lesner/Cena: Take the fall for not being able to carry the Hosses Shane MacMahon: See HHH Kane: Possibly but Kane (along with Chris Jericho) has been carrying Raw these last couple of months so I don't see him taking the fall, especially since Kane is bulletproof when it comes to McMahon stupidity. UT: Possibly especially if HHH wants to eliminate his only real remaining rival in the WWE power structure Chris Jericho: Possible but then again, like Kane, CJ has been the glue holding Raw together. Not to mention HHH needing to keep CJ strong so he can squash CJ again and again when he turns babyface soon. Eric Bischoff: Work on the "Monday Night Wars" DVD brings back old feelings in Vince, causing him to blaime Bisch for the problems of the WWE. Steve Austin: Cause you know Vince is just waiting for the right time to get his revenge on Austin for fucking him over last year and refusing to do his part to get Brock Lesner over.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2003 I think Goldberg, "Because he didn't job well enough to HHH, HOW DARE HE NOT MAKE HHH LOOK GOOD IN THE RING!!" Actually, I think they will blame it on the lack of Stephanie McMahon on the card. Who wants to see a PPV with only 2 McMahons on it? I know I don't. It's not a mega event if it doesn't have at least 3 McMahons on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2003 I think Goldberg, "Because he didn't job well enough to HHH, HOW DARE HE NOT MAKE HHH LOOK GOOD IN THE RING!!" Actually, I think they will blame it on the lack of Stephanie McMahon on the card. Who wants to see a PPV with only 2 McMahons on it? I know I don't. It's not a mega event if it doesn't have at least 3 McMahons on it. Steph is rumored to be part of the card. Just not an announced part of the card.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2003 Y'know, it would make more sense to post this once Survivor Series is actually regarded as a piece of crap. No Mercy looked shitty going in, but it actually wasn't too bad in the end. Survivor Series may still suck, but it would make more sense to insult it once it's actually over. I'd say over half the people online actually WANT the shows to suck. Going into the show with a negative outlook isn't going to make the show any better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 15, 2003 No Mercy looked shitty going in, but it actually wasn't too bad in the end. Survivor Series may still suck, but it would make more sense to insult it once it's actually over. I think he means SS bombing in terms of $$$$$$ it brings in. No Mercy may have been "not too bad" but its buyrate still blew chunks. And someone undoubtably took the blame for that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 I say the state of the economy after 9/11 is blamed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 It's Bret Hart's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Its the fans' fault because we don't know what we're suppose to like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Everyone except Vince McMahon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ligerbomb03 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 I blame Mr. America, dammit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Frank Stallone. SK said so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Blae the media, because they never even gave the XFL and its "exciting, dynamic product", along with "charismatic young athletes" a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Linda McMahon will blame the War in Iraq and 9/11. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 They'll blame Heyman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted November 16, 2003 BLAH BLAH RVD will be blamed BLAH BLAH Don't you guys get tired of writing the same tired stuff every week? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 BLAH BLAH RVD will be blamed BLAH BLAH Don't you guys get tired of writing the same tired stuff every week? WWE doesn't, why should we? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 (paraphrased from "The Summer of George" episode) Kramer: Well, I- I Ms. McMahon I do need to talk to you about a little problem regarding, eh, your company... [Linda kicks a chair out of her way.] Linda: What kind of problem? Kramer: Well, it seems that due to the vagaries of the production parameters of this fragmenting of the audience to the cable television, carnivals, water parks... Linda: Out with it! Kramer: Well, your show blew because you don't book things most fans want to see and your son hogs airtime and we can't stand your husband on TV all the time and I've gotta go... [Kramer runs out, but Linda grabs him from the back] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Who is to say that the buyrate will bomb? Out of my friends that watch wrestling, tonight will be the most packed my house will be for a PPV since Mania. I have had more than a couple people tell me about how they are psyched for the show and that the storylines are good. Apparently, others feel that the PPV has a big show "feel' to it, meaning they feel something big will happen at the PPV, as opposed to at RAW or Smackdown a night or two later. I'll say it does 350,000 buys, what last year's Survivor Series did. Hell, according to Meltzer, the early estimates for Vince vs Steph is 250,000, and the interest in this show compared to that one is a huge difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Early estimates for No Mercy were 180,000-200,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted November 16, 2003 Depends on who you believe but Meltzer said 250,000 for Oct. and 260,000 for September(with the final numbers for both expected to go up). I'd take Meltzer's word over any other "Sources" but believe what you will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted November 16, 2003 http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...4276&hl=buyrate My # came from WWE's corporate website. And since when do numbers go up from their initial estimates? They usually go down - Judgment Day was a prime example of this when it initally was thought to have done even better than Backlash and ended up doing noticeably worse. At any rate, it really doesn't matter how many people you have at your house because it'll just be one buy. And for it to be 350,000 buys total, there is going to have to be around 100,000 more that feel the same way as you. And somehow I doubt that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 The internet and dirt sheets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 They will blame the buried alive and ambulance match(es) and realize that the real money is in the casket and inferno match(es). So Royal Rumble should be REAL fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2003 I'll say it does 350,000 buys, what last year's Survivor Series did. A lot of things have changes since last year. All signs are pointing toward no one wanting to pay to see the product. TV ratings are holding, but house show attendance and PPV buys are going into the toilet. I'll be surprised if it breaks 200,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 17, 2003 1993: 0.82 SS / 1.3 Avg – 1994: 0.90 / 1.1 – 1995: 0.57 / 0.75 – 1996: 0.58 / 0.6 = 1997: 0.89 / 0.61 + 1998: 0.89 / 1.03 – 1999: 1.14 / 1.3 - 2000: 1.00 / 1.34 - SS Avg: 0.85 Typically, Survivor Series doesn't do very well. Some of the avg's should be adjusted because of the WM spike. But generally, Survivor Series doesn't do as well as Mania, RR, and Summerslam. It more closely relates to King of the Ring... but since KOTR is gone now, it's hard to get a good measure. There are more variables to take into account, as well as this years PPV performance, 2002s and 2001s. However, if someone wanted to guage how well this did compared to others, it would probably be "lower". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
