Huge ammounts of police swarming "Neverland"...

[Downhome 0]

Let me clarify one thing really quick.

 

They're now saying that Jackson had a breakdown on the plane and kept saying over and over that it isn't fair, it isn't fair, and then kept on demanding to be flown to South America to escape the charges. After all of that on the plane, he had to be sedated.

 

I didn't mean that he's STILL demanding to be flown to SA, but it's possible I guess.

[bob_barron 0]

Who is 'they'?

[Downhome 0]

Sorry about that, I figured you would all just assume who I was talking about.

 

I saw it on FoxNews, but I've heard it mentioned on CNN and from other sources. I think they all got it from UK's Daily Telegraph, or something like that.

[Downhome 0]

Oh my God.

 

FoxNews is about to interview Jesse Jackson about...well, you know.

[bob_barron 0]

Okay- I was just wondering since I didn't see it at Yahoo! news and I don't get FOX News.

 

Rick James' interview defending Jackson was hilarious

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh my God.

 

FoxNews is about to interview Jesse Jackson about...well, you know.

So, did JJ say we're all racists for thinking Jackson is a freak?...

[Downhome 0]

Is is a report, from the Sunday Mirror, a UK paper...

 

TAKE ME TO SOUTH AMERICA Nov 23 2003

 

 

STAR TRIED TO FLEE U.S.

 

By Stephen Martin

 

 

UNHINGED Michael Jackson went into mid-air meltdown and tried to flee America as he flew home to be arrested and handcuffed.

 

The singer, sedated by doctors but gripped by panic at child sex charges, demanded to be flown to a South America bolt-hole.

 

Trembling and swaying, he ordered aides to change his plane's flight path and spring him to a haven beyond the reach of US law.

 

But flunkies refused for fear that US air control would force the 87-TD private jet down for an emergency landing by knocking out its satellite navigation systems. And they insisted Jackson - accused of sex offences against 12-year-old cancer victim Gavin Arvizo - should give himself up.

 

Muttering to himself and screaming "it's not fair", Jackson spent the journey rocking backwards and forwards in his seat.

 

The star's deranged antics on the jet from Las Vegas to California shocked even those used to his odd behaviour.

 

At first he refused to board the plane taking him to Santa Barbara for a showdown with District Attorney Tom Sneddon. A witness said: "His people almost dragged him on in the end. He was shaking and in a state of near hysteria."

 

Once aboard, father-of-three Jackson demanded the pilot change routes and take him and his children to South America. The witness said: "Jackson was adamant he was going to do a runner because he was so nervous. But his attorneys managed to talk him out of it. There was a lot of shouting. They told him the authorities would jam the guidance systems on the plane.

 

"They said the plane would be forced into an emergency landing.

 

"Even if he did succeed in leaving the country, he would be extradited back to the United States.

 

"Jacko was sitting in his chair rocking backwards and forwards chattering to himself with his head in his hands. He was a total basket case."

 

The source went on: "A man in a suit, carrying a medical bag was walking alongside Jacko when he finally got on the plane. Then Jackson demanded that they have Kentucky Fried Chicken delivered to the plane before he would agree to take off."

 

Jackson was put in his seat, flanked by two bodyguards. Then he was given an injection to calm him down.

 

"Even the sedatives didn't help much," said the source. "He repeatedly squealed, 'Why, why, why are they doing this to me?' He was totally agitated, sweating, his hair covering his face and he wrung his hands incessantly. He looked like he was doing the Moonwalk while sitting down"

 

Jackson was on board the plane with his children, Prince Michael, six, Paris, five, and toddler Prince Michael II.

 

Earlier, there had been more oddball antics as Jackson prepared to leave the Green Valley Ranch, a luxury Vegas resort where he had been staying while filming a new video.

 

The source said: "Jackson's handlers noticed he was missing and when they went searching, they found him outside the private bungalow. When asked what he was doing, he said that he saw a field mouse and wanted to play with it, but was unable to find it."

 

On Friday, Jackson returned to Vegas after being released on bail of £2million. On the flight back, Jackson was calmer and told the crew he was relieved he was not remanded in custody and didn't have to go to jail. But he refused to communicate with the doctor who had sedated him on the outward journey.

 

The source said: "Jackson just sat there, rubbing his wrists where the handcuffs had been."

 

...in case you want to read it for yourself.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I keep thinking of that South Park episode with the Jesus "Jerry Springer" show.

 

"Sure he touched a couple of kids Montell, but come on -- it's MICHAEL JACKSON..."

[NYU 0]

So......what that article is saying is......Jackson is completely innocent, and it's okay to have him back on the streets and leading kids to his Neverland ranch.

 

Understood.

 

Hmmm....trying to flee the country and get to South America to escape these "entirely false" charges....I don't know. Seems innocent to me.

[bob_barron 0]

Yea cause when you want reliable 100% completely true news- You turn to the British tabloids!

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Hmmm....trying to flee the country and get to South America to escape these "entirely false" charges....I don't know. Seems innocent to me.

UK tabloids are always truthful and never sensationalistic or downright lying, correct? I suppose Prince William really DID have sex with Elvis on board a UFO, then.

 

 

And what's up with them giving the kid's name?

[bob_barron 0]

Yea- isn't that illegal? I know they're not giving out Kobe's accusers name

[NYU 0]

I suppose Prince William really DID have sex with Elvis on board a UFO, then.

I think you're confusing British tabloids with Weekly World News, or some kind of magazine like that. I know the tabloids aren't 100% reliable, but it's not unbelievable to assume that something of this sort DID happen. As we have seen countless times, he can hardly be considered sane and normal, so I wouldn't be shocked if this was true. No, it shouldn't be taken as complete fact but if CNN, Fox News (hope to avoid daily joke), and other news channels are airing the story to the public, they must know a little more about it right now than anybody here.

[Guest Anglesault]

When they searched "Neverland", they also found various "love letters" wrote by Jackson, to the accuser.

Oh Christ.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I think you're confusing British tabloids with Weekly World News, or some kind of magazine like that. I know the tabloids aren't 100% reliable, but

...But..

 

 

 

....But but but but but it's gossip masquerading as a newspaper.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Actually the LAPD said that the National Enquirer had some of best reporting in the O.J. Simpson case. Having stories before the LA Times.

They can be b.s. rags, but they do have in-roads in the entertainment business. So I wouldn't immediatley dismiss this story has bogus.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

From The Official Press Room of Michael Jackson

 

To my fans, friends and family:

 

As you know, the charges recently directed at me are terribly serious. They are, however, predicated on a big lie. This will be shown in court, and we will be able to put this horrible time behind us.

 

Because the charges are so serious, I hope you all will understand, on the advice of my attorneys, I will be limited in what I can say about the situation. There will be times when I cannot comment at all. No doubt, this will be frustrating for all of us.

 

For that reason, I have set up this website to serve as a source of official communications on my case. Any statement that does not appear on this website must be considered unauthorized.

 

You are right to be skeptical of some of the individuals who are being identified in the mass media as my friends, spokespeople, and attorneys. With few exceptions, most of them are simply filling a desperate void in our culture that equates visibility with insight. We will not engage in speculation. We will not provide running commentary on every new development or allegation du jour. We intend to try our case in the courtroom, not in the public or the media.

 

I thank you all for your support and understanding.

 

God bless you,

 

Michael Jackson

 

UYI

[Guest Retro Rob]

Hmmm....trying to flee the country and get to South America to escape these "entirely false" charges....I don't know. Seems innocent to me.

UK tabloids are always truthful and never sensationalistic or downright lying, correct? I suppose Prince William really DID have sex with Elvis on board a UFO, then.

 

 

And what's up with them giving the kid's name?

On FOX news they said the victim was the cancer-kid from the Bashir documentary and that was on Saturday, so I guess no one has to keep it private.

[Guest One Trick Pony]

On one hand, it's wrong to automatically take this as truth based on anything you read, even a British tabloid. This would completely tarnish what little reputation Michael Jackson has left and that's probably what some people want.

 

On the other hand, even if Jackson is guilty, he probably won't go to jail for very long if at all. There have been monumental cases where the person didn't go to jail i.e. Simpson, Durst, etc. so we can't rely on the courts to prove his innocence or fault.

 

It's very possible that he did this stuff but then again it's very possible to believe it even if it is a lie as well considering how a lot of people dislike him for the changes he's done to himself and will start any slanderous rumors about him that they can.

 

I think it is happening in my opinion. I don't remember any of the kids being under 11 and at that age a lot of young boys experiment sexually with other boys or in this case someone they confide in like Michael. Michael could think he's their age too and think it's ok but he has to realize he's way older and that that shit isn't legal.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

On FOX news they said the victim was the cancer-kid from the Bashir documentary and that was on Saturday, so I guess no one has to keep it private.

Weird. And to think there was such a huge outrage when the same thing happened in the Kobe Bryant trial as well.

[1234-5678 0]

Man, people are crazy.

 

 

from CNN.com

 

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Michael Jackson fans held candlelight vigils around the world Saturday to support the pop megastar as he faces allegations of child molestation.

 

Faisal Malik, 29, a Los Angeles fan who helped organize a gathering near Jackson's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, said he believes the performer is innocent.

 

"No other entertainer ever has opened his house so much to people," Malik said in a telephone interview. "True charity comes from the heart."

 

Rallies were scheduled through the weekend in more than a dozen cities, including New York, Budapest and Rome. Others were planned over the next week in China and Australia.

 

Jackson surrendered to Santa Barbara County authorities on Thursday after an arrest warrant was issued alleging that he committed lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14. Authorities have said they expect to file formal charges sometime after Thanksgiving.

 

After posting $3 million bail, Jackson flew to Las Vegas, where he had been working on a video. But his attorney, Mark Geragos, told the Los Angeles Times he planned to meet with Jackson at the star's Neverland ranch near Santa Barbara on Saturday.

 

Geragos, who has said Jackson denies the charges, did not return repeated calls Saturday from The Associated Press.

 

In Paris, about 60 fans gathered on the Champs Elysees and marched through crowds of shoppers to the Arc de Triomphe. They held candles and banners with slogans of support and sang "We Are the World," the 1985 African famine relief anthem written by Jackson and Lionel Richie.

 

"It's really hard for us," said Pascale Hatot, a 37-year-old fan from the suburbs of Paris. "I haven't been able to sleep or eat for three days."

 

Supporters in Rome gathered at the foot of the Spanish Steps just after darkness fell. They held candles and a sign in Italian that read: "Michael: Accused but not guilty!"

 

"There is an interest to see him fall as a man and as an artist," said Fabrizio Basili, a 30-year-old man from Rome who wore a black shirt bearing the image of Jackson's face. "His album 'Number Ones' came out with some of his great hits, and the same day the accusations came and this is why we're suspicious."

 

Media reports have said Jackson's alleged victim is a 12- or 13-year-old cancer survivor who visited him at Neverland, where the singer was known to hold sleep-overs for children and share his bed with youngsters.

 

 

Michael Jackson fans show their support for the star during a vigil in New York's Times Square.

Stuart Backerman, a spokesman for the Jackson family, said the pop star was feeling "very positive" despite the allegations against him.

 

"He's fine. He's fighting mad, that's what he is. He's outraged at these allegations. But he is doing fine," Backerman said Saturday.

 

Backerman said Jackson had received hundreds of supportive e-mails and was buoyed by his fans' loyalty.

 

"Michael Jackson has said in the past that his fans are his most precious resource. Clearly, the demonstrations around the world reinforce his long-standing feelings for his fans," Backerman said. "He's grateful."

[iamsherm 0]

From Yahoo:

 

LOS ANGELES - A Superior Court judge Tuesday issued a temporary order barring a company that leases corporate jets from releasing secretly videotaped footage of Michael Jackson (news) talking to attorney Mark Geragos as they flew from Las Vegas to Santa Barbara for Jackson's surrender to police.

 

The tape's existence came to light when representatives of Santa Monica-based XtraJet showed it to several news organizations, saying they had found two videotapes aboard one of their jets and wanted to know whether it was legal to distribute or sell them.

 

"What we understand is that there were possibly two cameras positioned in the cabin," said attorney Brian Kabateck, who is representing Jackson. He said an XtraJet attorney denied in court that the company placed the cameras in the plane, "and we think that's just ridiculous."

 

Charter company officials had told the Los Angeles Times they were trying to determine who videotaped Jackson and Geragos. Fox Network reported Monday that the tapes showed Jackson looking "calm, often smiling or laughing."

 

Meanwhile, an attorney who represented the mother of Michael Jackson's accuser in her divorce from the child's father said the family never indicated to him that Jackson had sexually abused the boy.

 

Attorney Michael Manning said Monday he remembers the mother saying positive things about Jackson as recently as April or May.

 

"'He was really good to us' — that's what she said at the time," Manning said.

 

Asked if she had said anything else about Jackson, Manning added, "Nothing bad. ... If it turned sour, I don't know how."

 

The mother filed for divorce in 2001 and has custody of the children. Manning said she and the alleged victim rarely mentioned their visits to Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County.

 

"They didn't brag about it," he said. "They weren't star crazy."

 

Manning said he still represents the mother in the divorce, although he hasn't spoken to her since May or June.

 

The Associated Press does not identify alleged victims of sexual abuse. The child's mother has an unlisted number and could not be located for comment Monday.

 

Stuart Backerman, the entertainer's spokesman, declined to comment Monday night.

 

Representatives of the Santa Barbara County district attorney's office and the sheriff's department declined to comment Monday on the case. Both have said they will not comment until charges are filed.

 

Jackson also launched a Web site Monday designed to tell his side of the story in the child-molestation case, asserting the allegations are "predicated on a big lie."

 

Jackson put the site together so he could communicate directly with the news media and fans, Backerman said. Jackson said in his statement that the site would serve as a source for "official communications on my case."

 

The site also contains links to three earlier statements Backerman made last week on Jackson's behalf. The statements were made after authorities raided the singer's Neverland Ranch and before and after his surrender the entertainer surrendered on a warrant alleging lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14.

 

A public relations executive who is not involved in the Jackson case said the Web site allows the entertainer to bypass the news media to deliver his side of the story to the public.

 

"He's able to communicate with those people interested without the message being filtered by the media," said Doug Dowie, senior vice president of Fleishman-Hillard. "If he wants to put out an 800-word press release, you can read all 800 words."

 

Jackson was released on $3 million bail after his surrender Thursday and immediately returned to Las Vegas, where he had been filming a video. Authorities have said they expect to file formal charges sometime after Thanksgiving.

 

School officials at Gardner Street Elementary School in Hollywood covered up Jackson's name on an auditorium wall following his arrest. The singer attended the school for several months when he was 11. A school district spokeswoman said the singer's name could be restored if Jackson is exonerated.

That certainly doesn't match up with the previous stories about Michael demanding to be flown to South America.

[Guest Anglesault]

Faisal Malik, 29, a Los Angeles fan who helped organize a gathering near Jackson's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, said he believes the performer is innocent.

 

"No other entertainer ever has opened his house so much to people," Malik said in a telephone interview. "True charity comes from the heart."

The hell does that have to do with anything?

 

He's innocent because he opens his house to people?

 

Or is he playing character witness?

[Guest Choken One]

 

Faisal Malik, 29, a Los Angeles fan who helped organize a gathering near Jackson's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, said he believes the performer is innocent.

 

"No other entertainer ever has opened his house so much to people," Malik said in a telephone interview. "True charity comes from the heart."

The hell does that have to do with anything?

 

He's innocent because he opens his house to people?

 

Or is he playing character witness?

That's exactly how he got into the whole fucking mess in the first place.

[Guest MikeSC]

The question is --- when will Michael claim it's all racism?

-=Mike

..."The black --- er, white --- er, whatever --- man can't get a fair shake!"

[Vern Gagne 0]

One of his brothers already said this was motivated by racism.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

One of his brothers already said this was motivated by racism.

I think it's more obvious that this is about money. Most see Jackson as a bottomless pit worth of cash, and want in on it.

 

Perils of fame.

 

UYI

[NYU 0]

One of his brothers already said this was motivated by racism.

I think it's more obvious that this is about money. Most see Jackson as a bottomless pit worth of cash, and want in on it.

 

Perils of fame.

 

UYI

I thought this was just a criminal case, and they didn't even file for civil court yet. In that case, then this couldn't be about money. You think....possibly......Michael Jackson could have done something wrong ?!?! And possibly needs to be punished for it ?!?! You can't say it's obviously about money anymore because a) I don't believe this case has gone to civil court AND b) Michael Jackson just isn't that rich anymore. If you're going to sue anybody, most people would be smarter and sue someone with a little more money. Considering they were so close to Jackson, I would think they would know he wouldn't have too much money to give to them.

 

It's possible that the guy DID do something horrible. Don't shut out all evidence and possibilities that he committed a crime, just because you're a fan.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

One of his brothers already said this was motivated by racism.

I think it's more obvious that this is about money. Most see Jackson as a bottomless pit worth of cash, and want in on it.

 

Perils of fame.

 

UYI

I thought this was just a criminal case, and they didn't even file for civil court yet. In that case, then this couldn't be about money. You think....possibly......Michael Jackson could have done something wrong ?!?! And possibly needs to be punished for it ?!?! You can't say it's obviously about money anymore because a) I don't believe this case has gone to civil court AND b) Michael Jackson just isn't that rich anymore. If you're going to sue anybody, most people would be smarter and sue someone with a little more money. Considering they were so close to Jackson, I would think they would know he wouldn't have too much money to give to them.

 

It's possible that the guy DID do something horrible. Don't shut out all evidence and possibilities that he committed a crime, just because you're a fan.

Honestly, I've pretty much given up following the entire story, so I was just assuming that this is about money.

 

I'm not dismissing the possibility that MJ could be guilty, however I refuse to go with the public concensus that just because the man is different, then he's doing something wrong.

 

Time will tell.

 

UYI

[Guest PhantMan]

racism? yeah, I can picture Jackson standing at the podium:

 

"they are all playa haterz! 'cause I'm a nigga yooooooo from da ghetto, woooooord!"

 

hilarious.

 

who gives a damn, I bought his cd nonetheless