FF X-2 thread

[Kardo 0]

You didn't notice her terrible reading. It was like, "When we get seperated use the signal and I'll come." Became "When we (pause) get seperated (pause) use the (pause) signal and I'll come" sounding as stilted as ever.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Well, I beat it. Might as well chime in with my thoughts.

 

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I got the "good" ending. I loved FFX ending the way it did, with Tidus biting the bullet. But you sorta knew they'd have a cheesy happy ending to X2. I think the game is stronger with the "normal" ending (ie no Tidus reunion hour), but the cheesy ending pulled on the old heartstrings. And even the cheesy ending pushed Yuna's characterization a bit ("You've changed").   I enjoyed the Shuyin/Lenne stuff, as a sort of "what might have been" if Tidus had failed to save Yuna. Their story was just as interesting as Yuna's path of self-discovery. Plus Shuyin whipping out all of Tidus' old overdrives was awesome.   I'm happy with how the game turned out. We got to revisit a world that I really enjoyed, and sorta see what happened. It even potentially ties into FFVII, with the whole Shinra discovering the lifeforce of the planet thing. That was crazy. Wonder if they'll use that in the FFVII movie. Who knows.

[fazzle 0]

Chapter 3 spoilers

 

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Well, I was having fun with the game...and then I hit Yojimbo. What a piece of shit cheap ass boss. Back to Blockbuster it goes!

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I gave up on the fight after getting my ass kicked, then went back later. It's quite beatable. Alchemist + Megapotion is your friend. That plus some poisonproof makes the battle a *lot* easier.

[fazzle 0]

Yeah, except...

 

I kinda missed my opportunity to get the Alchemist sphere.

[Anya 0]

So just skip the fight.

[fazzle 0]

I did. I skipped the fight and the rest of the game by taking it back to Blockbuster. Plus it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if you could

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save between letting the people of out of the caves and going into the boss fight

 

Edit: I'll probably end up renting the game again sometime later. I just didn't feel like screwing with it now.

Edited December 11, 2003 by fazzle

[Jingus 0]

I rented the game, and played through about 30% of it before I had to take it back. Now, I'm a Squaresoft fan overall, but this game just wasn't doing it for me. The storyline is SLOOOOOOOW to develop. I played through almost a third of the damn thing, and they haven't once even mentioned Paine's past, at all. I don't know where she's from, what she used to do, where when or how she met up with the Gullwings, why she joined them, so forth & so on. Hell, even though they've referred to him several times, I don't think they've ever mentioned Tidus by name.

 

And another thing: why are so many people in this game such assholes to Yuna? I mean, she just saved the world forever and killed Sin for all time; yeah, let's be a complete snob to her, act like she's an insignificant bug, and then run away crying about how we'll get her next time whenever she inevitably kicks our asses! Memorize that last sentence, because you run into that scenario a LOT in this game. Perfect example: Leblanc and her crew. Despite the fact that Yuna (with Rikku and, to a lesser extent, Brother helping out) killed the baddest monster to ever roam the planet, Leblanc still seems to actually believe that she can take Yuna in a fight, and still seems surprised every time she gets her cunt punched til it turns into a giant dick. That pissed me off to no end.

 

And oh yeah: the villains suck. Hard. Leblanc? New Yevon and the Youth League? Blah. Golbez, Kefka, Sephiroth, or Sin would've murdered these fools within five minutes.

 

The game also seriously sucked wind in terms of its supporting cast. THERE ISN'T ONE. Remember in the last game, where you had cool 2nd-level characters like Auron? That is SO far from the case here. You've got the three main girls (which means that the dialogue tends to be 30% Yuna, 69% Rikku, 1% Paine), the crew of the airship (and believe me, Brother is even more annoying here than he was in X), and then about a million various bit players scattered across the globe. And you will hate these people. Oh God, will you hate them! Especially Tobli. Jesus, but how I wished that FFX-2 had a "kill the person you're talking to" option. The only decent characters are the ones left over from the first game, but in this one they're pretty scarce. Wakka, Kimhari, and especially Lulu appear and vanish so fast that if you blink, you'll miss them two or three times.

 

And finally, the Dress Spheres system: it's not that great, but it's not the worst RPG level-up system I've ever seen. The main problem I had is that they give you way too many of the damn things way too early. If you want your characters to have mastered even one sphere by the end of Chapter Two, you're gonna have to spend a TON of time fighting monsters and leveling up.

 

In closing, the game isn't the worst RPG ever made, but it might be the worst (non-gameboy) Final Fantasy game since Mystic Quest. (Do keep in mind that I never played VIII, however.) Only a complete retard or someone on some hard-hitting drugs would say that it even comes close to X in terms of quality.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Hell, even though they've referred to him several times, I don't think they've ever mentioned Tidus by name.

That's because those who played X had the option to change his name.

 

Only a complete retard or someone on some hard-hitting drugs would say that it even comes close to X in terms of quality.

Maybe I'm a complete retard then, but I think it's on the same level of X.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

The villians aren't at the same level as Kefka etc because you don't even know who the main villian is yet. But hey, it's ok to call anyone who thinks it's close to FFX in quality a retard, especially if those people have bothered to play it through. They obviously have no idea, right?

[Jingus 0]

I'm just basing things on what I've seen so far, sonny boy. And the first third of X urinates upon the first third of X-2 from a great height indeed. (And the recent FF games are usually known for starting off strong but ending pretty weak, right?) Thank your lucky stars you're a La Parka mark, or else I'd have to, um, type more harsh words at you.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I'm not sure about the recent FF games starting strong and ending weak. Didn't play IX, and I find it hard to judge X and VII. VIII fits the bill, but it seems like VI actually started slow and ended strong (to me anyways). Though VI isn't exactly recent. With X2, I actually did think it ended stronger than it started.

 

I understand why you'd stop playing though. If I didn't like the supporting cast, I probably would have stopped too. It's tough playing through a game when you want to kill everyone that you're supposed to help.

 

As for the villian, they actually are not as strong as Kefka. Who is? I did like the villian though, it was pretty interesting and worked in the context of the story.

 

I do think X2 is close to X in terms of quality. The story of Yuna "finding herself" is more interesting that Tidus' story IMO.

 

I'm not saying you have to like X2, but you can't say anyone who compares it to X is retarded when you haven't played the whole thing through. I actually agree with you on a bunch of points (I like the battle system in X better, and Auron was a far cooler character than any of the cast in X2). I think if I hated the supporting cast we'd actually have pretty similar opinions on the games. But a comparison doesn't work well when you compare a game you completed to one where you didn't get to see the crux of the story (since a story gets fleshed out as you progress and the earlier stuff starts to make more sense in terms of the overall themes etc). Do you sorta see my point here?

[Jingus 0]

I'm not sure about the recent FF games starting strong and ending weak. Didn't play IX,

Oh, believe you me, IX is the Squaresoft poster boy for strong starts turning into lame endings. The entire last disc of the game would be better used as a clay pigeon.

 

and I find it hard to judge X and VII.

 

X was cool, and probably my favorite FF game overall (definitely my favorite of the PS/PS2 era). I mean, here you've got people pondering their place in the universe and the existence of God... in a friggin' VIDEO GAME. The first time I saw Yuna do the Sending in Kilika I damn near cried, I just wasn't expecting anything like that. Auron ruled, Lulu and Wakka were cool, and most annoying characters were kept to a minimum. The ending was fairly ballsy in some of its choices. And, in my favorite moment from any FF game: when Seymour got fresh and showed his true colors, the heroes straight-up KILLED him. You NEVER see that in an FF series, which gets worse than a Marvel comic with the bad guys constantly getting away from our protagonists. (Yeah, he comes back later anyway, but still, points for effort.)

 

And as for VII, I thought that was the one with the ending that everyone bitched about? I know I did.

 

VIII fits the bill, but it seems like VI actually started slow and ended strong (to me anyways). Though VI isn't exactly recent. With X2, I actually did think it ended stronger than it started.

 

I wouldn't count VI as recent. And I hope X-2 ends with stronger material than what I saw, I really do.

 

I understand why you'd stop playing though. If I didn't like the supporting cast, I probably would have stopped too. It's tough playing through a game when you want to kill everyone that you're supposed to help.

 

I wanted to murder Tobli, and Brother, and half the population of Luca. Oh, and all the characters with lines like "Yeah, you supposedly saved the world, but that don't mean shit to me. Go dig in the sand/sell my tickets/hand out these balloons/run this gauntlet/shill my amusement rides/fuck off and die, and do a good job, and then MAYBE I'll give you some respect." I was really hating that crap.

 

As for the villian, they actually are not as strong as Kefka. Who is? I did like the villian though, it was pretty interesting and worked in the context of the story. 

 

Well, yeah, I'm in the wrong there, as I never saw who the real villain was. But still, 30% into the game is a pretty long way to go with nobody but fucktards like Leblanc & Co. to feud with.

 

I do think X2 is close to X in terms of quality. The story of Yuna "finding herself" is more interesting that Tidus' story IMO.

 

Tidus' story did fascinate me: a guy thrown an entire millenium into the future, into a completely alien world that still retains frustrating glimpses of familiarity, followed the whole way by the shadow of your oldest enemy. Yuna's opening story of "He's alive, let's get more spheres and find him!" is kinda weak in comparison.

 

I'm not saying you have to like X2, but you can't say anyone who compares it to X is retarded when you haven't played the whole thing through. I actually agree with you on a bunch of points (I like the battle system in X better, and Auron was a far cooler character than any of the cast in X2). I think if I hated the supporting cast we'd actually have pretty similar opinions on the games. But a comparison doesn't work well when you compare a game you completed to one where you didn't get to see the crux of the story (since a story gets fleshed out as you progress and the earlier stuff starts to make more sense in terms of the overall themes etc). Do you sorta see my point here?

 

Yes, I see all your points. I was arguing more for the massive adrenalin rush that comes with online debating than because I really disagreed that vehemently.

[Anya 0]

I don't bitch about FF VII's ending. I think it's great.

[Ravenbomb 0]

it's almost definately been said, but I don't want to go through all the pages to be sure.

 

It's not final if there's a sequal! The other ones have an excuse, they used different stories, but this is a straight sequil to X. NO EXCUSES!

[Star Ocean 3 0]

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[Lightning Flik 0]

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I knew I shouldn't've looked at that.

[Guest I'm That Damn Zzzzz]

How much AP does a White Mage get when using Pray constantly?

[LaParkaMarka 0]

As long as they're actually healing someone (ie you can't heal someone with full HP) then you get 1 AP each time. It adds up, believe me...White Mage is very quick to master.

[Slayer 0]

Cosplay Contest Winners

 

Something may surprise you about a couple of the first place female character winners

[Lightning Flik 0]

I like that guy who did the cos-play on the guy from Trigun (I don't know much of Trigun, so please don't hit me for being dumb), as his was pretty damn good.