Column on Dean

[Guest Cerebus]

Our Howard Dean who art in Heaven,

Let your Holy name be known,

Let your nomination come,

And your will be done,

In the US as in Vermont.

Give us today the taxes that we need,

And forgive us our tax-cuts,

As we forgive those

Republicans who have done wrong to us.

Do not lead us into quagmires,

But save us from terrorism.

 

Amen.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Gimme a D!

Gimme an E!

Gimme an A!

Gimme an N!

 

What does that spell?

[Styles 0]

My sweet Dean

Hm, my Dean

Hm, my Dean

 

I really want to see you

Really want to be with you

Really want to see you Dean

Win that primary, my Dean

 

My sweet Dean

Hm, my Dean

Hm, my Dean

 

I really want to know you

Really want to go with you

Really want to show you Dean

That it won't take long, my Dean(Howard Dean)

 

My sweet Dean(Howard Dean)

Hm, my Dean(Howard Dean)

My sweet Dean(Howard Dean)

 

I really want to see you

Really want to see you

Really want to see you, Dean

Really want to see you, Dean

But it takes so long, my Dean(Howard Dean)

 

My sweet Dean(Howard Dean)

Hm, my Dean(Howard Dean)

My, my, my Dean(Howard Dean)

 

I really want to know you (Howard Dean)

Really want to go with you (Howard Dean)

Really want to show you Dean(Howard Dean)

That it won't take long, my Dean(Howard Dean)

 

Hmm (Howard Dean)

My sweet Dean(Howard Dean)

My, my, Dean(Howard Dean)

 

Hm, my Dean(hare liberal)

My, my, my Dean(hare liberal)

Oh hm, my sweet Dean(liberal, liberal)

Oh-uuh-uh (hare hare)

 

Now, I really want to see you (hare nutcase)

Really want to be with you (hare nutcase)

Really want to see you Dean(nutcase)

But it takes so long, my Dean(Howard Dean)

 

Hm, my Dean(Howard Dean)

My, my, my Dean(hare liberal)

My sweet Dean(hare liberal)

My sweet Dean(krishna liberal)

My lord (hare hare)

Hm, hm (redneck truckers)

Hm, hm (gurur vishnu)

Hm, hm (redneck truckers)

Hm, hm (redneck truckers)

My sweet Dean(redneck truckers)

My sweet Dean(redneck truckers)

My, my, my Dean(redneck truckers)

My, my, my, my Dean(redneck truckers)

My sweet Dean(hare rama)

 

(Hare liberal)

My sweet Dean(hare liberal)

My sweet Dean(krishna liberal)

My Dean(hare hare)

[Guest Kamui]

Okay, the joke's offically dead now, guys.

 

This & the "EVOLUTION IS A [bLANK]~!!!" joke on the WWE board proves that if you want a joke killed- GO TO TSM~!!!

[Styles 0]

Yeah, I guess it isn't as funny as this: http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...rism/index.html

Edited December 7, 2003 by Jeff Jarrett, God

[Guest Kamui]

Yeah, I guess it isn't as funny as this: http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...rism/index.html

Oooooh, struck a nerve with someone to bring that up. Weren't you the first to accept my apology?

 

I.e. Relax. I was just joking. If I told you to fuck off and die, I could understand the reaction.

[Justice 0]

Okay, the joke's offically dead now, guys.

 

This & the "EVOLUTION IS A [bLANK]~!!!" joke on the WWE board proves that if you want a joke killed- GO TO TSM~!!!

Hey, I still laugh my ass off at "EVOLUTION IS A PISSED MARINE!"

[Guest Kamui]

Okay, the joke's offically dead now, guys.

 

This & the "EVOLUTION IS A [bLANK]~!!!" joke on the WWE board proves that if you want a joke killed- GO TO TSM~!!!

Hey, I still laugh my ass off at "EVOLUTION IS A PISSED MARINE!"

That one's okay, but I could do without the gazillion different variations everytime the music hits in the RAW thread. It was funny. Once. A long, long time ago.

[Guest MikeSC]

Are ALL Dean supporters this vapid?

Merrill told [Clay Johnson] that she didn't love him anymore.

He returned to his apartment in Atlanta... he stripped to his underwear, lay on the floor in a fetal position and remained there for days, occasionally sipping from an old carton of orange juice. ''I was completely obliterated,'' he says. ''I didn't know something like that could actually cause physical pain.''

Johnson's friends kept calling, trying to think of something that would get him out of the house. Finally they hit on one: Howard Dean.

Johnson had been talking about Howard Dean for about a year... at his friends' urging, Johnson attended a Dean gathering... Johnson spent most of the meeting talking with a young Duke graduate named Julie Reeve, who, he says, was ''really smart.'' She was also, he says, ''the most beautiful girl I have ever seen.''

- The Dean Connection by Samantha M Shapiro

 

 

 

Apparently so.

 

Howard Dean will give you something to live for. Howard Dean will bring you joy. Know love through Howard Dean. Know forgiveness through Howard Dean. Know that Howard Dean's wisdom is infinite. Howard Dean will bring peace to the world. Howard Dean will calm the oceans and still the skies. Howard Dean is Pravda. The Truth.

Praise Howard Dean! Praise him!

DAMN!

 

I suppose if we ever wish to know what a Tony Robbins presidency might be like, Dean is a close enough facsimile.

-=Mike

[Guest JMA]

Meh. Most the articles on Dean seem to just be pandering to the right or the left. That isn't surprising, though.

[BX 0]

Question for Mike.

 

What is it about Dean that offends you so much? What is your opinion on his stances? What is the one particular thing that you don't agree with?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

[What I want to know is why Chris Matthews has such a hard-on for a certain cable news channel that's slapping his employer, and his show, around in the ratings like a little ragdoll...

He also asked them if he would shut down GE, I think before Fox even.

 

And hey, if political commentators like Charles Krauthammer talking about Howard Dean are suddently worthy of consideration here, I'd like to point out Molly Ivins has backed Dean not because she purely agrees with him, but because she thinks he's the most electable, front runner or not.

 

Uh.. Yeah.

[Guest MikeSC]

Question for Mike.

 

What is it about Dean that offends you so much? What is your opinion on his stances? What is the one particular thing that you don't agree with?

The fact that the man seems more than mildly mentally unstable. Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand? You're discredited IMMEDIATELY right there.

 

That, and his supporters are just CREEPY into him. I swear, it's like Jim Jones all over.

 

I won't even go into his utter lack of an actual program or his ineptitude as governor of Vermont.

[Guest MikeSC]

[What I want to know is why Chris Matthews has such a hard-on for a certain cable news channel that's slapping his employer, and his show, around in the ratings like a little ragdoll...

He also asked them if he would shut down GE, I think before Fox even.

 

And hey, if political commentators like Charles Krauthammer talking about Howard Dean are suddently worthy of consideration here, I'd like to point out Molly Ivins has backed Dean not because she purely agrees with him, but because she thinks he's the most electable, front runner or not.

 

Uh.. Yeah.

Molly Ivins backs Dean over Bush?

 

GET THE HELL OUTTA TOWN!

 

What next? Did Kerry serve in Vietnam or something?

-=Mike

..."In national news, Ivins feels Dean is more electable than Bush. Also, fire is hot. All this and more on the 'Duh' report --- here, on PBS"

[Guest MikeSC]

Let's look at the Ivins screed linked:

 

AUSTIN, Texas -- No one has been waiting with bated breath for me to make up my mind about the Democratic presidential candidates, but I have, and you might be interested in how I got there. I'm for Howard Dean -- because he's going to win.

 

It is the bounden duty of bleeding-heart liberals like myself to make our political choices based on purity of heart, nobility of character, depth of compassion, sterling integrity and generosity of spirit.

BWA HA HA HA HA. Unintentional comedy, thy name IS Molly Ivins.

The concept of actually winning a political race does not, traditionally, influence the bleeding heart liberal one iota -- certainly not in the primaries.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Over the years, I have proudly voted for a list of losers only a lily-pure liberal could love. I am rather surprised not to find myself in the camp of the Noble Dennis Kucinich this year. (And believe me, there are supporters of the Noble Dennis who are plenty upset about it, too.) In fact, I initially passed on Dean precisely because he looked like one of my usual losers -- 2 percent in the polls and the full weight of Vermont behind him ... wow, my kind of guy.

 

Having concluded that this was the year to Be Sensible, look for a winner, find a moderate, and all that good stuff the expert political players do, I carefully studied the conventional wisdom.

So, in looking for a moderate, she looks to DEAN?

 

Would she know a moderate if it bit her on the BUTT?

The conventional wisdom -- the avatar of all political knowledge, the Washington, D.C., press corps -- said John Kerry was the man. So despite his resemblance to the finer products of the taxidermist's art, I sat around waiting for him to show signs of life. And waited.

 

Next, I consulted my buddies in the union movement, and they said Dick Gephardt was the man. I always like a labor liberal, and Gephardt's eyebrows have improved. I was hopeful for while, but concluded, as many do, that while Gephardt is Perfectly Good as a Democratic candidate, he ain't settin' the world on fire. Doesn't seem like a good year for a regular politician on account of we ain't lookin' at regular politics. These Republicans do not have a different strategy -- they are playing a different game. They don't want to govern, they want to rule.

Funny thing is, I think she actually BUYS that. I think she ACTUALLY believes that. Scary.

Next, my lawyer friends recommended John Edwards, and even though my first impression was, "Too pretty, too light," I liked him better as time went on. Good strong populist streak to him, some good economic ideas, goes right after Bush on the economy. But conventional wisdom decided he is too young and untried.

 

Then along came Gen. Wesley Clark, and lots of people were excited. But I never have thought anyone should start in politics at the top. All those rich guys who run for office want to start at governor or senator, instead of running for the school board. Arnold Schwarzenegger aside, it's really not as easy as it looks.

 

Meanwhile, there's old Dean, causin' excitement. I went up to Vermont and talked to a bunch of liberals there. They all said Howard Dean is no liberal. Funny, that's what Howard Dean says, too. And indeed, he isn't, but in politics, everything's relative.

How many libs call themselves liberal? Liberals confuse the terms moderate or centrist for liberal. I know there are some VERY left-wing people on this VERY board who refer to themselves as "moderates" yet they are far more to the left than the "conservatives" on this board are to the right. A liberal saying they aren't a liberal --- and liberals bitching that a liberal isn't liberal ENOUGH --- doesn't mean they're NOT a liberal. It means Dean isn't a Socialist.

The conventional wisdom first dismissed Howard Dean (the man has never been to a Washington dinner party!), then condescended to him, then graciously offered him instruction on how he should be running his campaign -- which seemed to be going along quite well without their input.

 

I talked to some big money guys who assured me Dean Can't Win. But of course I'm noticing this interesting thing: Dean has so much money he actually turned down public campaign financing (since I'm a card-carrying liberal, I was naturally deeply unhappy over this. But since Dean's money comes from Real People instead of corporate special interests, I'm not that unhappy.)

Ah, back to the good ol' "Follow the rules we set up --- except when it's inconvenient to do so" mentality. Clinton taught the Dems quite well.

Let me second the notion that this year, the Internet is to politics what television was in the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon race.

You mean an overrated excuse that will allow people to ignore rampant cheating in Chicago?

For a while, I fretted over Dean being angry, or at least appealing to the political anger that is normally manipulated by right-wing radio jocks. Anger makes liberals uncomfortable: We prefer peace, reason and gentle persuasion.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA.

 

Heck, Krauthammer at least attempts to explain his opinions with something resembling factual accuracy.

Beloveds, it is way past time for us to get mad -- social, economic and political justice are being perverted by the Bush administration.

 

Dean gives a hell of a speech -- even if you're Republican, you should go and hear him just for the experience.

Couldn't I just punch myself in the groin? It'd be a little less painful.

But I fretted about Dean on TV -- TV is so important. How could anyone poker up on Margaret Carlson of PBS, not one of the world's toughest interviewers? But then I saw Dean laugh his way through a Chris Matthews interview (which he should have done with Tim Russert, who was hell-bent on gotcha questions), and I know the guy can take care of himself. So he fights back if you get in his face -- that's not all bad.

 

I know, he's even less of a liberal than Bill Clinton was, but I don't think Dean is a moderate centrist. I think he's a fighting centrist. And folks, I think we have got ourselves a winner here.

Dean is a "fighting centrist"?

 

Well, if she wishes to believe so.

 

He is a liberal and will not win.

-=Mike

[Guest JMA]

How many libs call themselves liberal? Liberals confuse the terms moderate or centrist for liberal. I know there are some VERY left-wing people on this VERY board who refer to themselves as "moderates" yet they are far more to the left than the "conservatives" on this board are to the right. A liberal saying they aren't a liberal --- and liberals bitching that a liberal isn't liberal ENOUGH --- doesn't mean they're NOT a liberal. It means Dean isn't a Socialist.

I identify myself as a Liberal. And I'm pretty damn proud of that fact. Who exactly are these posters who confuse "liberal" with "moderate"?

 

In any case, conservatives have been known to do the same thing (see O'Reilly, Bill), so it's not just a left-wing thing.

[Guest Kamui]

How many libs call themselves liberal? Liberals confuse the terms moderate or centrist for liberal. I know there are some VERY left-wing people on this VERY board who refer to themselves as "moderates" yet they are far more to the left than the "conservatives" on this board are to the right. A liberal saying they aren't a liberal --- and liberals bitching that a liberal isn't liberal ENOUGH --- doesn't mean they're NOT a liberal. It means Dean isn't a Socialist.

I identify myself as a Liberal. And I'm pretty damn proud of that fact. Who exactly are these posters who confuse "liberal" with "moderate"?

Same here. The only thing I said was that based on those politcal compass scores, I wasn't as far to the left when it came to econmoics as my liberal counterparts here (which was true- everyone else was scoring -6s, which is what I also scored for the social portion, and I had a minus -3something).

[Guest MikeSC]

How many libs call themselves liberal? Liberals confuse the terms moderate or centrist for liberal. I know there are some VERY left-wing people on this VERY board who refer to themselves as "moderates" yet they are far more to the left than the "conservatives" on this board are to the right. A liberal saying they aren't a liberal --- and liberals bitching that a liberal isn't liberal ENOUGH --- doesn't mean they're NOT a liberal. It means Dean isn't a Socialist.

I identify myself as a Liberal. And I'm pretty damn proud of that fact. Who exactly are these posters who confuse "liberal" with "moderate"?

 

In any case, conservatives have been known to do the same thing (see O'Reilly, Bill), so it's not just a left-wing thing.

O'Reilly has said he is a conservative. He said he's not a Republican (which isn't true, mind you). You can be a conservative and not be a Republican. O'Reilly is a populist wannabe.

 

And what people here? Well, Paragon of Virtue pops to mind immediately.

-=Mike

[Firestarter 0]

All I have to say is that I fucking loathe Ivins.

 

"Ah'm Maolly Ahvans!" SHUT UP YOU FUCKING IMBECILE

 

At least she's admitting that she's a liberal now. Back during that Franken/O'Reilly shouting match, she kept interrupting to say she wasn't a liberal or a conservative. She was Maolly Ahvans! STOP IT! STOP IT! NO ONE TALKS LIKE THAT! NOT ONE PERSON IN THE WHOLE DAMN SOUTH ACTUALLY SPEAKS LIKE THAT! SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU SENILE OLD BITCH! Honestly, the only two people who piss me off more just by opening their mouths are George F (mustn't forget the F, in the original Greek, as seen in one of Thucydides's less interesting works, it stands for FUCKING) Will and William F (mustn't forget the F, as a noted son-in-law of the Speaker for the Scottish Parliament in 1939 noted, it stands for FUCKING) Buckley. Fucking pompous, ignorant dipshits whose idea of good writing is convoluted syntax, multiple mixed metaphors, substituting complex words for simple words which make more sense, and throwing in a bunch of obscure references they have to spend two hours researching so 99% of the population won't get them and they can cream their pants while giggling over their supposed erudition. Fucking cretins.

[bob_barron 0]

Enjoy this Marney-

 

Chris Matthews: [ yelling ] Welcome back to "Hardball", I'm Chris Matthews! Big trouble in little China, our soldiers are back home after the whole ordeal, and everyone stateside's thinking of Nixon-era paranoia and old-fashioned terror with the Far East! Is this the beginning of a new Cold War! I don't know why I'm asking you! Nobody watches this show anymore - nobody!! I'm out here asking the tough questions, shouting at powerful officials, in short, playing Hardball! But, apparently, America would rather watch Pat O'Brien interview the cast of "Becker" on "Access Hollywood"! Sheep! Baa-aa-aa-aa! You people are sheep! Here to talk about the China situation: Republican Congressman of Georgia, Bob Barr.

 

Bob Barr: Chris, thanks for having me..

 

Chris Matthews: Whoa! Getting a little lippy right off the bat, eh, Barr? Listen to me, Georgia peach, you talk when Matthews says you talk! Also with us: syndicated political humorist, colorful Texan, Molly Ivins.

 

Molly Ivins: Hello, y'all, nice to be back, Chris!

 

Chris Matthews: And, finally, former Clinton advisor and ten-year-old girl, Paul Begala!

 

Paul Begala: [ with wide-eyed smile ] Now, Chris, you know I'm not a ten-year-old girl!

 

Chris Matthews: Can it, Missy! Molly Ivins, we're gonna start with you! This is Bush's first test on an international stage - can he claim victory, or what?!

 

Molly Ivins: [ laughing ] Oh, I don't think so, Chris! There's an old saying down here in Texas: "Bobcats can eat all the chili it wants, don't mean he's gonna crap diamonds."

 

Chris Matthews: I got no idea what that means! Bob Barr, Bush eventually did apologize to President Jiang, how are conservatives taking this!

 

Bob Barr: Well.. some of us less compassionate conservatives think Bush wasn't nearly tough enough. We should have gone on the offensive. The Chinese were upset that their jet collided with one of our planes? Well, I wonder how they would have felt if one of our bombs had collided with one of their chopstick factories?

 

Chris Matthews: Whoa! [ laughs ] Not bad, Barr! Bomb the Chinese! Hey, you're a lunatic, but you had some freakin' Hardball!

 

Bob Barr: Well, Bush blew it! We didn't need that plane back. What this country needs is months of diplomatic tension followed by a protractive land war in China. We had our chance, and we lost it!

 

Paul Begala: Can I say something here, Chris? The Cold War is over! This administration has been using outdated policies to justify their own agenda..

 

Chris Matthews: Zip it, Kermit! Go back to Fraggle Rock! Let the grown-ups talk about politics! Molly Ivins, are relations with China strained forever!

 

Molly Ivins: Well, Chris.. you know the old Texas proverb about square-dancing on a hot griddle!

 

Chris Matthews: No I don't!

 

Molly Ivins: Well, you can't do it unless you're wearing special heat-proof grill-dancing shoes! Think about it, Chris!

 

Chris Matthews: Whoa, Ivins! There's a fine line between down-home folksy and freakin' nuts! Bob Barr, are we ever gonna get the plane back! What's Bush's next move!

 

Bob Barr: Well, I'll tell you what it should be, Chris. Two words: poisonous snakes! We've got more than we need over here - I say load 'em up, airlift them over to Beijing, and just let 'em go! It's time to put our poisonous snakes to work fighting the Chinese! Pretty soon, it's "No more snakie! We give you plane back!" Then a quick strike against Russia, we drive on East Berlin, Bush appoints me king of Austria-Hungary, and everyone's happy!

 

Chris Matthews: What about it, Paul Begala! Should we send in an army of snakes to fight Chinese citizens and invade Moscow!

 

Paul Begala: [ over banner: "Paul Begala, Very Small Penis" ] Chris, that is ludicrous! Bill Clinton's foreign policy was much, much closer to China. This is not 1951. [ banner chages to: "Paul Begala, Has To Sit Down To Pee" ] Bush has to understand that the.. [ notices Chris laughing at banner ] Hey, come on, I can see that! [ laughs ]

 

Molly Ivins: Chris, can I just say one more thing?

 

Chris Matthews: Yeah!

 

Molly Ivins: If a coyote's chewing on your boot, you better cowboy Alamo six-shooter tumbleweed rodeo moustache wax, partner!

 

Chris Matthews: Good God, woman, what the hell are you talking about!! If anyone's watching this show, steer clear of Molly Ivins! I want to thank my guests tonight! Bob Barr, final thoughts!

 

Bob Barr: Chris, there's a billion Chinese. And if we're gonna wipe 'em off the Earth, we need about eleven more children per couple to catch up. So, America, get humping!

 

Chris Matthews: Barr, you're loud, obnoxious and completely dismissive of other people's opinions - I love you, you're great! Molly Ivins, check into a mental ward!

 

Molly Ivins: Sloo-be-dee, Chris! Zerkum one come grizzly!

 

Chris Matthews: Yikes! Finally, Paul Begala, you lab experiment gone wrong - do you have anything left to say or yourself?

 

Paul Begala: Chris, next time..

 

Chris Matthews: Yeah!

 

Paul Begala: ..I come back..

 

Chris Matthews: Yeah!

 

Paul Begala: ..I'm gonna have to ask that you..

 

Chris Matthews: Whoa-oa!

 

Paul Begala: ..keep the insults to a minimum..

 

Chris Matthews: Shut up! You're dull, and you look like a defective Pez dispenser! Stick around, I'm gonna watch a videotape of myself and shout at it! You're watching "Hardball"!

 

[ fade out ]

[Guest Cerebus]

All I have to say is that I fucking loathe Ivins.

 

"Ah'm Maolly Ahvans!" SHUT UP YOU FUCKING IMBECILE

 

At least she's admitting that she's a liberal now. Back during that Franken/O'Reilly shouting match, she kept interrupting to say she wasn't a liberal or a conservative. She was Maolly Ahvans! STOP IT! STOP IT! NO ONE TALKS LIKE THAT! NOT ONE PERSON IN THE WHOLE DAMN SOUTH ACTUALLY SPEAKS LIKE THAT! SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU SENILE OLD BITCH! Honestly, the only two people who piss me off more just by opening their mouths are George F (mustn't forget the F, in the original Greek, as seen in one of Thucydides's less interesting works, it stands for FUCKING) Will and William F (mustn't forget the F, as a noted son-in-law of the Speaker for the Scottish Parliament in 1939 noted, it stands for FUCKING) Buckley. Fucking pompous, ignorant dipshits whose idea of good writing is convoluted syntax, multiple mixed metaphors, substituting complex words for simple words which make more sense, and throwing in a bunch of obscure references they have to spend two hours researching so 99% of the population won't get them and they can cream their pants while giggling over their supposed erudition. Fucking cretins.

Oh Marney...and I had such high hopes for you *shakes head*

[Guest JMA]

O'Reilly has said he is a conservative. He said he's not a Republican (which isn't true, mind you). You can be a conservative and not be a Republican. O'Reilly is a populist wannabe.

When has he said he's a conservative? From what I've heard, he has claimed to not be on his radio show.

[Guest MikeSC]

O'Reilly has said he is a conservative. He said he's not a Republican (which isn't true, mind you). You can be a conservative and not be a Republican. O'Reilly is a populist wannabe.

When has he said he's a conservative? From what I've heard, he has claimed to not be on his radio show.

I coulda sworn he said it.

 

If he didn't, my mistake.

 

It's not a big deal to me.

 

I thought he said he tended to be conservative on most issues.

-=Mike

[Guest JMA]

O'Reilly has said he is a conservative. He said he's not a Republican (which isn't true, mind you). You can be a conservative and not be a Republican. O'Reilly is a populist wannabe.

When has he said he's a conservative? From what I've heard, he has claimed to not be on his radio show.

I coulda sworn he said it.

 

If he didn't, my mistake.

 

It's not a big deal to me.

 

I thought he said he tended to be conservative on most issues.

-=Mike

I think he may have said that. Eh, doesn't really matter.

[Guest MikeSC]

Shame I missed that episode of SNL, as that "Hardball" piece is friggin' GOLD.

-=Mike

...Although I do think Matthews has the best explanation as to why Gore didn't win in 2000 --- He Just Isn't Very Likable In Public

[Vern Gagne 0]

O'Reilly says he's a registered Independent.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

But we all know the truth, don't we?...

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

WALLACE: Governor, there is this continuing question, even in your own party, about whether you're fit, whether you're up to being commander in chief. And I want to ask you about a radio interview that you did earlier this week. You were asked about the president suppressing information about what he knew pre-9/11, and here's what you said.

 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

 

DEAN: The most interesting theory that I have heard so far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can't think -- it can't be proved, is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows what the real situation is.

 

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 

WALLACE: The most interesting theory is that the president was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Why would you say that, Governor?

 

DEAN: Because there are people who believe that. We don't know what happened in 9/11. Tom Kean is trying to get some information from the president...

 

WALLACE: Do you believe that?

 

DEAN: ... which doesn't -- no, I don't believe that. I can't imagine the president of the United States doing that. But we don't know, and it'd be a nice thing to know.

 

WALLACE: I'm just curious why you would call that the most interesting theory.

 

DEAN: Because it's a pretty odd theory. What we do believe is that there was a lot of chatter that somehow was missed by the CIA and the FBI about this, and that for some reason we were unable to decide and get clear indications of what the attacks what were going to be. Because the president won't give the information to the Kean commission we really don't know what the explanation is.

Edited December 8, 2003 by Tyler McClelland

[Guest JMA]

O'Reilly says he's a registered Independent.

He was actually a registered Republican until a paper (I forget which one)revealed the fact. They even have his registration form online on many sites.

[bob_barron 0]

It's in Franken's book for all to see