TWAS THE FIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS card!

[Guest Suicide King]

Hello all. I live again. Gory details in the important info thread.

 

Just wanted to comment briefly on the distaste for multi-man matches. Please don't take this as another "Back in my day" post, but back in my day there was less complaining about multi-man matches. Granted, there was some, and there was certainly complaining about other goddawful stips. Anyway, I think you guys are looking at these situations the wrong way. Instead of looking at a stip, whether it be wildchild's multi-men, va-aiga's triple threat tags, or frost's former match requests you need to not view these matches as wastelands of fun. Every match can be fun to write if you go in with the purpose to have fun. Yes you may lose, and hey! You may just be no damned good at a particular match stip, and that is generally why we don't bombard people with them over and over again. BUT, I will tell you that if you write a match that is not technically great, but it was clear that you had fun with it, that sense of enjoyment almost always carries over to the marker.

 

God knows I hated multi-man matches as much as the next guy, but I generally wrote and I won more often than not. I made a plan, I stuck to it, and I made writing and reading it enjoyable. I recommend everyone in the fed, and I mean everyone, take a step back and remember that we do this for fun. In the end, we're talking about imaginary status here. Are you really doing this just to be the best wrestling writer of our sorry bunch of losers? I betcha that if you just write fun matches with that as your foremost goal, you'll not only burn out less quickly but you'll find yourself getting better and better as a writer too.

 

My two cents.

[Ace309 0]

I betcha that if you just write fun matches with that as your foremost goal, you'll not only burn out less quickly but you'll find yourself getting better and better as a writer too.

 

And then... when you least expect it... BAM! Ace of Clubs to the back of the head!

[Crowe 0]

I've been raised on wild stipulation matches (see: JL history) so I really don't give a fuck what I'm booked in. The problem is, actually writing and belting out a good fucking match.

 

*sucks*

[Guest Goodear]

THe problem I see with these wacked out gimmick matches is that there's no real way to say, 'please no matches where I have to tie a guy up in a blanket and toss him in a manger'.

 

Oh and allow me to add something real quick. It seems as though these mutli-mans pop up a lot when we're trying to sort out who is going to be the top contender to whichever title and that seems a bit odd to me. I mean really, we don't have to have top contender matches every time we want to set up a title hunt. Honestly does Wildchild really need to beat anyone else (much less three guys) in order to get a World or ICTV Title match after his run as Hardcore champion? Sure I can see why it happens... but it seems like overkill sometimes.

 

And just to turn the tables If you all don't want to be in these wacky matches, one of the best things you can do is build up feuds with each other. I'll admit that I'm not exactly as attentive of storylines as I should be ... but other than Va'aiga-Trinity and Thugg-Mak is anything really going on in that regard? Building feuds takes the majority of the work out of the CC's hands and puts it in yours. That's WIN WIN... since I'm sure King would love to have a sense of what direction people want to go.

Edited December 16, 2003 by Goodear

[HVilleThugg 0]

I haven't chimed in yet, but that second paragraph of yours, Ejiro, is exactly the point. If you don't like the multi mans, or any match for that matter, that CC tends to use to sort things out...make your own by doing angles and feuds. CC will be more than happy to oblige because it results in them having to do less work, which is the idea. You're supposed to control your own destiny, and the only time CC has to intervene is when you're not doing anything.

 

Secondly, I agree with one point Ejiro made, which is that every contendership match does not have to have 3 or 4 people in it. You can just pick two top people and have them fight for a contendership, and you don't have to feel bad about leaving people out because they'll get their chance too. I have noticed a lot of contendership matches being 3 and 4 way matches, and you don't have to do that. You can just use two people...and if you feel you're leaving people out, then once the first match winner has gotten his shot, have another contenders match. However, to CC credit, a multi man is an ideal way to great buzz over a title and it's an easy way to make a decision on who has earned a shot. Sometimes it's tough to decide which two people, and the easiest way to not have to make that decision is to do a multi man. I challenge CC, however, to go out on a limb and just pick two people. I doubt anyone will really complain too much, at least not in public.

 

That's all...

 

Oh, and I don't think it's a problem if someone clearly states that they are not going to write a particular match, for whatever reason. I think it's our right as a writer to decide if we going to write a match. I think it's actually good that we're telling CC we're not writing (although it could be behind closed doors), instead of just no showing. Certainly, we should be in a situation where people are only writing matches that they "like", but how is saying you won't write a match because of its gimmick-ness different from saying you're not writing due to time or illness or what have you? There's not much except that the bookers feelings might be hurt because someone doesn't like his match. They'll get over it though. I think when it comes to super-gimmicked matches (which I have no problem with personally, but speaking from a general perspective), people should have the right to not write them if they don't feel the match is appropriate or if they just don't feel like it. The same would hold true for comedic matches as well. I think you'd have to face the consequences of not writing (like being bumped down the card or not getting that title shot you wanted), but it's still your right to do so, and you shouldn't have to deal with public ridicule for it.

 

That's my 2 cents...

 

Da "dear god, I must finish this match" H

[muzz 0]

If you want to finish your match, then don't write long ass posts.

[HVilleThugg 0]

Uhhhh...yeah...I suppose you're right.

 

4,700 words and counting.

 

Da "might be fired for writing his match at work" H

[TheBostonStrangler 0]

And just to turn the tables  If you all don't want to be in these wacky matches, one of the best things you can do is build up feuds with each other. I'll admit that I'm not exactly as attentive of storylines as I should be ... but other than Va'aiga-Trinity and Thugg-Mak is anything really going on in that regard?

 

AHEM!

[HVilleThugg 0]

7,000 words and counting!

 

Da "has to take a break to get real work done at his job before he gets fired" H

[Guest Goodear]

AHEM!

SHIT... my bad Strangler.

[janusd 0]

 

AHEM!

SHIT... my bad Strangler.

<Nelson Muntz> Ha HA! </Nelson Muntz>

[TheBostonStrangler 0]

*smacks Ejiro 28 times with a semi-frozen sturgeon*

 

That should teach you your lesson. But you are forgiven, my son.

[Ace309 0]

My eyes are bleeding. My fingers are wearing to bony nubs.

 

Pity me, for I am He Who Had a Paper and Final Today and Is WAY Behind On His Match.

[Hank Kingsley 0]

Well, my match is, uh, in. The best I can say about it is, "Well, at least it's filled to the brim with jaunty holiday spirit."

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Let me rewind a bit; I don't mind the multi-man's quite so much as I made out before. A lot of my better-written matches (or, at least, some of my personal favorites) were multi-man matches. It's when the gimmicks come into play when I start to disconnect. My biggest problem with outrageous stips is that they predominantly tend to be matches where you can't win by pinfall, and since I wouldn't actually watch a match like that, I find it difficult to motivate myself to write one. I've never thought of myself as a "diva" or someone who tries to dictate what matches they be booked in; the only two things I can remember specifically asking CC is not to be booked on a show if the deadline is before 10pm EST, because of the significant time-zone difference, and not to be booked in title matches on Storm, since the card is posted on Monday and the show is posted on Friday, and my schedule doesn't often permit me to write between Mondays and Fridays. If CC feels the inclination to put me in a stip match, would it be a reasonable request to ask that it be one-on-one?

 

As far as that other stuff, I did, in fact, just finish up with a pretty long-running angle; maybe you heard about it... I think I may be starting to feel the burn, though, for a couple of reasons:

 

1) After more or less completing a major angle (and the opus of my career to this point), I'm a little low on ideas. I had some plans fleshed out, but they are a little dependant on someone who seems to have suddenly disappeared without notice. And I can't think of a good money fued to set up, mainly because...

 

2) There's not enough cruisers. After almost a year in the WF, I'm hossed out; one thing I really enjoyed about the JL was the chance to write against characters that enabled me to use WC to his fullest potential, but so far in the WF, I've had to tone it down severely, since I can't even use my full moveset against a lot of the guys I face; I've only had the opportunity to write against three or four guys in my weight class since getting bumped.

 

The main reason that I've spent so much time pushing for the LHW belt to be re-instated is because I'm sick and tired of writing against hosses. Some people started railing against me for holding on to the Hardcore belt for too long (I won't name any names, but one of them starts with a "D" and ends with an "N" and rhymes with "Duran"), but from my perspective, moving up to a "higher" belt wouldn't solve my burnout problems; the only difference between me being the Hardcore champion and me being the ICTV title would be that the hosses would be more difficult competition to write against. I'm not disparaging our heavy's; they're all great... but would it kill anybody to feed me a LHW every once in a awhile?

 

I think I wanted to say more, but I keep losing my train of thought, so I'll just wait for you guys to rip me to shreds.

 

- Dub Cee

Edited December 17, 2003 by Mr. S£im Citrus

[HVilleThugg 0]

FINISHED!

 

I have bloody stumps for fingers now, and I'll probably get fired from my job for working on my match all day there...but if I win, it'll be worth it.

 

Da "final count, over 13,000 words" H

[HVilleThugg 0]

Those are some very good points WC, and I am an advocate of reinstating the LHW division. I know it has been frustrating not being able to go against cruisers, but it's not because of the LHW title. It's mainly because there are hardly any cruisers in the fed. We have a small roster right now, so it's just going to be tough to find cruisers to go up against. Sucks, but that's the way it is right now.

 

But I like that you're standing by what you want and believe in.

 

Da "will kick your ass if you want" H

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

What makes it worse, Thugg, is the fact that, with exception of me and Johnny (if he's still even here), just about all of the LHW's in the fed are in the upper midcard/ME.

 

And, once again, I apologize for making such an ugly public issue of this.

 

- Dub Cee

 

 

PS - I'd consider it an honor to job to you, Thugg... as long as you no-sell the FSP.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I'm Small~! Pick Me! Pick Me!

 

 

*puts a "Pick Me, Cee" sign around neck*

[Crippler Crossface 0]

15,000 words.

 

 

 

My fingers hurt.

 

 

 

~Craven~

[Ace309 0]

In at just short of 11,000.

 

Fun match to write, and I really enjoyed the finish and aftermatch. I hope those can carry my opening, which I thought dragged a little.

[HVilleThugg 0]

Consider it no-sold WC!

 

And since I like you, I'll no sell you being in the match too, and just stand a ringside and chat with some hot chicks.

 

But seriously...I agree with most everythign you said. I think a part of all this is there being no bumps in a few months. The JL roster is small, and so is ours...I hope things pick up...I'd shrink about a foot and lose about 200 pounds if I could...

 

::thinks about Rane::

 

 

Nahhh..can't do it.

 

Da "still thinks we should get rid of the JL" H

[Hank Kingsley 0]

I'm Small~! Pick Me! Pick Me!

 

 

*puts a "Pick Me, Cee" sign around neck*

Go away.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

why the hate, Supes... why?

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

I don't know if that'd be a viable solution, Thugg; if there were a bunch of newbs in the WF having to go up against the likes of Duran, Janus and Matthews (and yes, me), they would likely get discouraged by all the losing.

 

I benefitted greatly from writing against my peers for a few months before being bumped; I don't believe I would have stuck around if I would have had to face Danny Williams and Mak within my first four months.

[Justice 0]

I suggested an idea a while back that guys without a good program in the WF pick a rising JLer and execute a feud with them. Maybe not as much one-on-one fighting, but promoing back and forth and just injecting new blood and storylines into the system. Guys coming back with ring-rust would be ideal to set against a hot JLer, and this way they get an idea of what it's like to run a really good feud. You could have the blow-off as a JL ME or hell, even a lower-card WF match.

[muzz 0]

What makes it worse, Thugg, is the fact that, with exception of me and Johnny (if he's still even here), just about all of the LHW's in the fed are in the upper midcard/ME.

Yeah, that's right.

 

WAIT A MINUTE.

[muzz 0]

If you don't like the multi mans, or any match for that matter, that CC tends to use to sort things out...make your own by doing angles and feuds.

That's easy for you too say. I've only ever had one person ask me if I wanted to feud with them, over three god damned years.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Muzz... Sacred vs. Apostle could have been a kick ass feud...

[muzz 0]

Zuh?