Brush with Greatness 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 To me, Powell seems like he would have been a much better president than Bush. I also think that he probably would have got a lot more voting support than Bush. But the question I have is: Would the southern states that vote Republic vote for Powell, or would they not vote/vote Democrat/vote Reform because they do not like the idea of a black president? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted December 11, 2003 It's still a honeymoon concept of voting for Powell. He woulnd't win as easily as ppl like to think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 To me, Powell seems like he would have been a much better president than Bush. I also think that he probably would have got a lot more voting support than Bush. But the question I have is: Would the southern states that vote Republic vote for Powell, or would they not vote/vote Democrat/vote Reform because they do not like the idea of a black president? Powell is a teflon man (Nothing sticks to him and he's generally recognized as a hero for something or other) and racism isn't THAT rampant anymore. Powell, if he runs, would have the best shot ever of being the first black president. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I'm not going to disagree that he'd have the best shot, it just seems that people think he'd have it in a blowout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 11, 2003 To me, Powell seems like he would have been a much better president than Bush. I also think that he probably would have got a lot more voting support than Bush. But the question I have is: Would the southern states that vote Republic vote for Powell, or would they not vote/vote Democrat/vote Reform because they do not like the idea of a black president? It all depends on his views. Powell's BIGGEST pro is that, honestly, NOBODY knows where he stands on much of anything. This allows people to make him their ideal candidate. The moment he takes stands, he will lose tons of support. He will have to eventually make clear his views on tax issues, environmental issues, social issues, et al --- and any stand will knock off a good 40% of the support he has. As for will southern whites vote for a black President, yes, we will. It really isn't the big issue some people think. The problem is that the blacks who have run for President (well, for the nomination for President) have just been horrible candidates. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just atrocious people, by and large. A black conservative would get votes. A moderate black would get votes. A black, though, that lives and dies with race-baiting (as Jackson and Sharpton have a tendency to do) will never get votes from the south --- or much from the north, either. I can't give names of blacks who could be elected President presently, to be honest. Rice and Powell COULD --- but until they take stands on issues, it is nigh impossible to estimate. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Before the '96 election, Powell was tossed around as a GOP presidential candidate. Of course, nobody knew where he stood on a variety of issues. IMO, Powell will probably be considered "too moderate" to be a Republican president, although I thought for quite a while that he'd be Bush's VP for the '04 election... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 11, 2003 The problem is that the blacks who have run for President (well, for the nomination for President) have just been horrible candidates. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just atrocious people, by and large. Aren't we forgetting Alan Keyes.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted December 11, 2003 To me, Powell seems like he would have been a much better president than Bush. I also think that he probably would have got a lot more voting support than Bush. I'm agree with that. Powell almost has an aura around him that gives off a moderate vibe. I could see both the right and left supporting him (provided he doesn't completely take one side). Would the southern states that vote Republic vote for Powell, or would they not vote/vote Democrat/vote Reform because they do not like the idea of a black president? It depends on WHICH Southern states you're talking about. Some are more liberal than others. I'm a Southerner and would consider voting for Powell if he ran. Then again, there are still a LOT of Democrats in the South (conservative Democrats), that may hurt Powell's chances as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Powell is pro-choice and pro-affirmative action, so he pretty much would not make it out of the republican primaries, however in the times we are in right now, it could be different if people are voting solely on how they think the Prez could deal with Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 The problem is that the blacks who have run for President (well, for the nomination for President) have just been horrible candidates. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just atrocious people, by and large. Aren't we forgetting Alan Keyes.... add him to the horrible list....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Alan Keyes > JJ and Poo-face... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Are we making the assumption that the US would even allow good candiates to survive the primary elections to even get in the running to be president? Come on, Powell wouldn't make it through Iowa. Sad state of affairs but 100% true. Chris Rock as an independent would have a better chance than Powell as a republican. Vote Chris Rock/George Carlin in 2004! They'll get s*it done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Are we making the assumption that the US would even allow good candiates to survive the primary elections to even get in the running to be president? Come on, Powell wouldn't make it through Iowa. Sad state of affairs but 100% true. Chris Rock as an independent would have a better chance than Powell as a republican. Vote Chris Rock/George Carlin in 2004! They'll get s*it done! I can understand why you would say that after 2000, but don't count out primaries completely out...remember thats what made LBJ decide not to run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Alan Keyes > JJ and Poo-face... Sure, if all you want from a candidate is that he's on your side of the party line fence. Some of us have higher standards than that, however. When I saw that Keyes was out there as part of the 24 hour praying vigil for the commandments monument a few months back, I knew I could safely add him to my list of guys I'd never want to see President. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 11, 2003 I always wondered if Watts could make a decent run for pres. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Powell is pro-choice and pro-affirmative action, so he pretty much would not make it out of the republican primaries, however in the times we are in right now, it could be different if people are voting solely on how they think the Prez could deal with Iraq. Pro-choice and pro-affirmative action? Wow. Those are some pretty "liberal" beliefs. I'm against affirmative action, but I'm glad Powell is pro-choice. Of course, that will probably prevent him from running in '08 (assuming Bush wins). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Alan Keyes > JJ and Poo-face... Sure, if all you want from a candidate is that he's on your side of the party line fence. Some of us have higher standards than that, however. Uh, no. Keyes would tear JJ and Poo-Face each a new a-hole. Both of them would be in trouble because they couldn't accuse Keyes of being a racist. And if you think the two stooges on the other side of the fence are of "higher standard" then you can have them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 12, 2003 The problem is that the blacks who have run for President (well, for the nomination for President) have just been horrible candidates. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just atrocious people, by and large. Aren't we forgetting Alan Keyes.... Actually, I TOTALLY forgot about Alan. He's a spectacular speaker --- possibly the best public speaker in the country --- but what he actually plans to do if elected is an amorphous mystery. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Keyes once went into a mosh pit for Michael Moore What else do you want from him?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Don't think Powell has any intention of running for President. He's said he's getting older, and his wife is against it has well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 And if you think the two stooges on the other side of the fence are of "higher standard" then you can have them... I'm not saying Sharpton and Jackson aren't trash! I'm saying that since Keyes supported Roy Moore's monument in the courthouse in joining the vigil, he's easily joined the ranks of people I don't want in office, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Hey, cool. More reasons I don't like the guy: Q: Does posting the Ten Commandments in schools invalidate the religious expression of children who are not in the Judeo-Christian heritage? A: The Ten Commandments are etched into the walls of the Supreme Court. I find it rather hard to believe it could be inappropriate to put them on the walls of our schools. The problem we have [is] a phony doctrine pretending that the federal government, through the courts, has the right to dictate uniformity of religion or irreligion. It’s not true. Through the 14th Amendment some of these lawyers try to pretend that the judges can do what the amendment explicitly forbids the Congress from doing, dictating religious practices at the state and local level. Source: GOP Debate in Johnston, Iowa Jan 16, 2000 --- KEYES [to McCain]: I have signed the following pledge: In the interest of national security and the morale of our armed forces, if elected president of the US I pledge to reinstitute the ban on homosexuals serving in our nation’s military. Would you join me, sir, in signing that pledge? McCAIN: No, I will not. [i agree when] military leaders that you and I respect say that this policy is a good one. I will support the present policy. Source: Republican Debate in West Columbia, SC Jan 7, 2000 --- Q: What does the term separation of church and state mean to you? A: I don’t think that’s an important question, actually. I think the more important question would be: Is there any reference to separation of church and state in the Constitution? And the answer to that question is: No there is not. The First Amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion. [instead of] uniformity in terms of religious belief. Our courts are now trying to impose uniform irreligion and atheism and that is intolerable. And we, therefore, have to oppose it. Q: Are you for or against the separation of church and state? A: You are trying to force me to speak in terms that are not relevant to American life. The Declaration of Independence states. [that] the source of our rights is the creator God. You can tell me, if you like, that that’s a religious conviction. I know that it is the American creed.. I won’t give up the Declaration. Source: Republican Debate in Durham, NH Jan 6, 2000 (FWIW, the Declaration refers "the creator," without naming a specific God.) --- It’s about time we all faced up to the truth. If we accept the radical homosexual agenda, be it in the military or in marriage or in other areas of our lives, we are utterly destroying the concept of family. We must oppose it in the military. We must oppose it in marriage. We must oppose it if the fundamental institution of our civilization is to survive. Those unwilling to face that fact and playing games with this issue are doing so irresponsibly at the price of America’s moral foundations. Source: Republican Debate in Durham, NH Jan 6, 2000 --- People tell us that for purposes of discrimination, sexual orientation--or, more accurately, sexual behavior--must be treated like race. Is that at all legitimate? When I got up this morning I was a black guy. When I go to bed tonight, I will still be a black guy. If we are going to say that sexual orientation is to be treated like race, then we’re saying that sexual orientation--read, behavior--is like race, a condition beyond the individual’s control. If we accept this kind of reasoning, why should we expect to draw the line at sexual passion? If we’re going to have special legal protections for homosexuals, shouldn’t everybody else’s uncontrollable sexual orientations be protected? Shouldn’t adulterers, pedophiles, rapists, and other sorts of sexual aberrants be eligible for the same benefits? If we were to accept this convoluted logic we would be left with the concept of a human person which accepts strict external regimentation: we are basically people out of control. Source: Our Character, Our Future, p. 18-9 May 2, 1996 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Ugh. Well, at least he didn't call anyone a racist. AND HE SPEAKS SO WELL... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 So Alan Keyes is the black Buchanan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 12, 2003 So Alan Keyes is the black Buchanan? Exaggeration. Keyes is a very conservative religious canidate, Buchanan is an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Don't even try to patronize. That last quote was spookishly similar to Santorum's remark to the AP earlier this year, and even GW distanced himself from that through a spokesman. Also, he's anti-abortion except for when the mother's life is at risk, but supports the death penalty. That's just as confusing as the liberals that do the opposite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Also, he's anti-abortion except for when the mother's life is at risk, but supports the death penalty. That's just as confusing as the liberals that do the opposite. I disagree with you Jobber. To me, who does indeed believe that, with abortion you're killing a human life that made no crime except existing while the death penalty is for those guilty of a horrible crime and deserves death. I don't see how that's contradictory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 The problem is that so much of the anti-abortion stances is about sanctity of life and a distaste of legalized murder. "Right" and "wrong" has nothing to do with it more often than not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 13, 2003 The problem is that so much of the anti-abortion stances is about sanctity of life and a distaste of legalized murder. "Right" and "wrong" has nothing to do with it more often than not. Well maybe for others, but that is the way I see abortion and the death penalty *shrug* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Keyes is just another fundie. Whether he's a good speaker or not is irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
