Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Maybe it's time for ALL minority groups to learn ONE KEY LESSON: The majority DOESN'T GIVE ONE DAMN ABOUT YOU. You can do almost anything you want because WE DO NOT CARE ONE LITTLE BIT. The straight community doesn't care too much the gay community. Whites don't care enough to oppress blacks. -=Mike What about Red-Heads? Red-heads? They're the spawn of Satan. They don't know it, but EVERYBODY hates them and have a nasty, diabolical plan to kill them all off it slow, painful manners. Shhhhh. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JumpinJackFlash Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Red-heads? They're the spawn of Satan. They don't know it, but EVERYBODY hates them and have a nasty, diabolical plan to kill them all off it slow, painful manners. Shhhhh. -=Mike So...that's why my teacher doesn't like me.....hey! Where was Matt today? Doesn't he have red hair? Nooooo! (Runs away to Gun Shop; Leaves Computer On) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 I'll just respond with the simple, yet effective, "Huh?"... He was the one who talked about how being gay was wrong and how all lesbians were ugly. I was hoping he was going to walk into Death By Marney, but it didn't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 By the way, since we've all been commenting on a story authored by the people who were representing the girl's side, let's change our perspectives a bit: From the Ann Arbor News If the weeklong discourse on race, religion and sexual orientation known as Diversity Week is held again at Pioneer High School, it's likely lawyers will be called first. Ann Arbor schools Superintendent George Fornero said Wednesday that district high schools can't shy away from debating diverse opinions, but that legal counsel may have to weigh in on how such dialogue can occur, at least in the near future. His comments came after a board meeting in which the district released its first official response to a federal court ruling last Friday that found the district violated a former student's free speech rights during Pioneer's Diversity Week in March 2002. The written statement, read by board President Karen Cross, said, in part, "While the court concluded that school staff erred in their handling of this controversial matter, the district applauds their continuing efforts to provide answers to difficult but important questions with which many courts have struggled. The district will learn and grow from this situation ..." In her July 2002 lawsuit, Betsy Hansen, who was a senior at Pioneer during 2001-02, argued that that she was prevented from having an adult representative on Diversity Week's "Homosexuality and Religion" panel to convey the message that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin. She also claimed that a speech she gave during Diversity Week was censored to exclude a passage in which she said she couldn't accept religious and sexual ideas that are wrong. While the district will probably have to pay attorney fees to Thomas More Law Center, which represented Hansen in the case, Fornero said, the district had not received a statement of those costs or a petition for damages as of Wednesday. He anticipated the damage award would be nominal based on comments from U.S. District Judge Gerald Rosen. Fornero said when he spoke earlier this week with Pioneer staff members involved in the suit they were concerned and curious about the implications of the ruling. "They don't want to do anything that could be perceived as illegal. ... They asked a lot of questions," he said. The suit named Pioneer's principal, an assistant principal, three teachers and the district's former equity ombudswoman. Kelly Kundrat, a junior at Pioneer, said she feels conflicted about the court decision because she understands Hansen has the right to her opinions, but also feels negative views don't belong in Diversity Week, which is intended to celebrate and include minorities. "If some people tell (gay students) they're going to hell ... it kind of defeats the purpose (of Diversity Week)," she said. Kundrat, who describes herself as straight and Catholic, said she hopes Diversity Week continues, but thinks it will be hard because administrators will have to allow any viewpoint to avoid another lawsuit. "Maybe in a few years, probably not while I'm at Pioneer," she said. Diversity Week was not held at Pioneer last spring. Hansen, now a math and linguistics major at the University of Florida, said Wednesday the judge's ruling sends the message that all viewpoints have a right to be aired. "It's important to hear opinions even that you don't agree with, and real tolerance is about listening to what people have to say and not pushing certain viewpoints," Hansen said. After Diversity Week 2002, she said, she was disillusioned and disappointed by what she felt was the school's hypocrisy. She said that what she wanted to say had nothing to do with putting anyone down. Instead, she wanted to get across her opinion that sexuality is meant to be expressed through a marriage between a man and a woman, not through homosexual acts or sexual acts outside of marriage. "Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I have personal animosity against them," she said. And now, for more perspective, from PART OF THE VAST GAY CONSPIRACY OMG A high school diversity program sponsored by the Gay-Straight Alliance of Ann Arbor Pioneer High School was equated with the policies of Nazi Germany by a federal judge this week. Judge Gerald E. Rosen was hearing a suit brought by a senior at the school who said she was not allowed to argue that homosexuality is immoral and sinful according to her belief as a Roman Catholic. During Diversity Week in March 2002, the school`s Gay-Straight Alliance held a forum titled "Homosexuality and Religion" that included six religious leaders -- all of whom were chosen by students because the clerics believe homosexuality is not incompatible with religion. The district denied a request from student Elizabeth Hansen to include an opposing viewpoint. The school acted to "prevent the expression of the traditional Christian view toward homosexuality at this panel discussion and throughout the `2002 Diversity Week` events," Hansen`s suit claimed. She is represented by the Thomas More Centre, a conservative Christian law firm in Ann Arbor. "Isn`t this what led to book-burning in Nazi Germany?" Rosen asked from the bench. School district lawyer Seth Lloyd said the district`s actions were a "far cry" from Nazi Germany or book burning. He said that Hansen was also allowed to submit three questions during the discussion and that the Catholic student group she belonged to was told it could hold a separate forum with any religious leaders they chose the Friday before Diversity Week began. Lloyd also argued that districts must be able to limit viewpoints in discussions. Otherwise, he said, a panel on job opportunities for women would have to include a religious conservative who could argue that women should stay home and rear children. Rosen called the school district`s position "un-American" and twice compared the district`s reasoning to that of Nazi Germany and other totalitarian regimes that were intolerant of dissent. He said his concerns would be the same if a forum were held with only religious leaders who said homosexuality was a sin. He then suggested the forum, even if it had included alternative points of view, might still have violated the First Amendment`s prohibition of government establishment of religion. Rosen said he would make his ruling next week. Citing the lawsuit`s chilling effect, the 2,700-student high school cancelled Diversity Week in 2003. Now we understand that this "Homosexuality and Religion" panel was sponsored by the Gay-Straight Alliance group of the school and not sponsored by school administration. My guess is that Hansen's request was denied because the "gays are sinners" ideology conflicts with the purpose behind a GSA group. It creates a rift. Yes, they should have let her say whatever at Diversity Week, but I'm puzzled how letting her air her religious views at a school event is any less of a display of state-sponsored religion than not letting her do it. Thus I'm not exactly sure whether that arguement is really valid here. It sounds like the real fiends here are the Thomas More Law Center. More shitty-ass trial lawyers using lawsuits to make sure nobody is ever offended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 I trust and article from www.rainbownetwork.com about as much as you trust one from OMG FAUXNEWS.COM/2003. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Right, but those were the two links that Google News made on the situation, and the more legit one didn't mention the Nazi stuff which I thought was worth documenting. I gave fair warning that it was a biased site, much like the original link is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Maybe it's time for ALL minority groups to learn ONE KEY LESSON: The majority DOESN'T GIVE ONE DAMN ABOUT YOU. You can do almost anything you want because WE DO NOT CARE ONE LITTLE BIT. The straight community doesn't care too much the gay community. Whites don't care enough to oppress blacks. -=Mike What about Red-Heads? As long as they have a nice rack, they will always be welcome on Planet kkk... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 But I don't have a nice rack kkk..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Do you have any junk in your trunk?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 I don't believe all Catholics are heretics, Spicy. Not at all. I firmly believe there are some very saved Catholics out there. But I don't think it's very far off to say that the Church has instituted some pretty un-biblical elements of theological doctrine over the years that stands in the way of the fullness of Christ's work on the cross. And if things I say are taken in an arrogant manner, attribute it to the nature of textual communication here. "Not if you know Christ," is an element of doctrine, not arrogance. If you know and believe in the fullness of the work on the Cross, then Mosaic Law is pared down considerably into two basic commands that even the guidance and teaching of the rest of the New Testament fits into. It's not arrogance, it's flat doctrine and a pre-concieved biased about Evangelical Christians that's all over western culture and all over the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 He was the one who talked about how being gay was wrong and how all lesbians were ugly. I was hoping he was going to walk into Death By Marney, but it didn't happen. Eh. I vaguely remember seeing the post, but I couldn't be bothered to respond to it. Different thread anyway, right? Who was it again, and where? Just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Well, it's not really a preconceived bias. It's the bias generated from the fact that it makes you look like a 12 year-old who can't/won't form real arguments that matter to the rest of the world. For a wrestling/pop culture message board, it's probably not the best MO for getting the word/The Word out. On the topic at hand: I can't handle it anymore. The word "diversity" keeps getting thrown around here, there, at my university, everywhere, and no one's defining it. I give up on diversity on say just start acting like human beings. Talk shit, be nice, whatever, just don't waste your time setting up tolerance classes about how to tolerate everyone except the intolerant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 It's not arrogance, it's flat doctrine and a pre-concieved biased about Evangelical Christians that's all over western culture and all over the board. This explains so much. I should've guessed from the beginning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 Red heads aren't evil. Unless they are guys, then they are evil. Red head females are actually quite lovely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Considering I'm not actively ministering to anyone here, I fail to see how that analogy fits. I don't post here to evangelize, but I do post from an evangelical viewpoint. If someone is making a claim that Christians believe this or that, I, being a Christian, would likely have a bit of a deeper insight on the subject that someone who is not knee-deep in studies of exactly what a Christian believes at his base, without denominational influences. Thus, I post. If someone claims a liberal believes something, the liberals on the board will respond, likewise for other viewpoints and their holders. The same applies to me. And Marney, you're going to believe there's some great arrogance or bias from just about anyone who disagrees with you. Thanks for posting but it amounts to the same hypocritical belief you have you should be listened to and respected but anyone who disagrees and doesn't make thirty-point arguments like you shouldn't. If there's anyone with a twinge or prideful arrogance around here, it's you. Arguing with you is pointless, not because of the points you make but because of the hostile close-mindedness you have, yet claim those you go up against are near-evil for. Before this thread goes off-track with the normal, "OMG CHRISTIAN VIEWPOINT MUST DIE" crap, I'll be happy to discuss the issue and the stance privately over PM or AIM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Maybe it's time for ALL minority groups to learn ONE KEY LESSON: The majority DOESN'T GIVE ONE DAMN ABOUT YOU. You can do almost anything you want because WE DO NOT CARE ONE LITTLE BIT. The straight community doesn't care too much the gay community. Whites don't care enough to oppress blacks. -=Mike really? REALLLY??? I was watching the news this one time and I saw this guy talking about he would fight to make it an amendment that gays cannot be married, despite their marrige not effecting the straight community what so ever. What was his name again... Come on Mike, lets not act like there are plenty of straight people that somehow believe that what goes on between two people is their business because it goes against their beliefs. Shit people were pissed when the supreme court said homosexuals having sex isn't a crime. THEY GOT PISSED OFF. ELECTED OFFICIALS. The had no worries about stepping on television and saying that the court was wrong for saying two consenting adults could have sex, and didn't have to worry about backlash. Its a warm and cozy belief that people have a live and let live type of mindframe but we both know it isn't so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Maybe it's time for ALL minority groups to learn ONE KEY LESSON: The majority DOESN'T GIVE ONE DAMN ABOUT YOU. I was watching the news this one time and I saw this guy talking about he would fight to make it an amendment that gays cannot be married, despite their marrige not effecting the straight community what so ever... people were pissed when the supreme court said homosexuals having sex isn't a crime. Guess what? Those people are a minority. Mike is still perfectly correct. The majority of straight people don't care what gay people do. The majority of whites don't have any interest in oppressing blacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Marney, you're going to believe there's some great arrogance or bias from just about anyone who disagrees with you. Thanks for posting but it amounts to the same hypocritical belief you have you should be listened to and respected but anyone who disagrees and doesn't make thirty-point arguments like you shouldn't. If there's anyone with a twinge or prideful arrogance around here, it's you. Arguing with you is pointless, not because of the points you make but because of the hostile close-mindedness you have, yet claim those you go up against are near-evil for. I just find it amusing, the way you react with a shrill shrieking hissyfit to any post of mine which even indirectly addresses you. Let's take a quick look at this: I made an offhandedly snide one-line comment about how obvious it should have been to me that you're an evangelical Christian, and you responded with a frantic, terror-struck, practically foaming-at-the-mouth pre-emptive denunciation of my character, my posting habits, and my debating style. Calm down, kiddo. I'm not going to hurt you. Before this thread goes off-track with the normal, "OMG CHRISTIAN VIEWPOINT MUST DIE" crap, I'll be happy to discuss the issue and the stance privately over PM or AIM. See what I mean about being overly defensive and pompous? And what other people mean about you coming off as a pompous, arrogant, holier-than-thou shithead? What makes you think that anyone cares enough about your viewpoint to take the time to discuss "the issue and the stance" with you in private? What's so special about you? What have you done with your life? What have you studied? Where have you been educated? Here's a clue: try defending your arguments with real evidence, flawless logic, and clear and consistent analyses in public before setting yourself up as a private saviour for anyone who seeks the Truth and the Pure Holy Light of Jesus Christ Your Lord and Master and King on High of All That Was, Is, and Shall Be. Honestly, don't you see how ridiculous you look? "I can't be bothered to post in public because I know I'll get torn to shreds, but if you'd like to listen to me spout uninformed nonsense without being challenged by anyone else, feel free to contact me and I might deign to regurgitate the silly crap I've been fed all my life back into your mouth?" Thanks, O noble fisher of men, but I think I'll pass. Jesus may have been happy with James and John, but I believe he would have told you to stay on the ship and finish mending your nets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiny norman 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 If this were a Muslim boy saying something similar about women, can you imagine the reaction? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 I trust and article from www.rainbownetwork.com about as much as you trust one from OMG FAUXNEWS.COM/2003. Has anyone actually gone to www.fauxnews.com? It's actually a parody of Fox news...well sort of, just a couple doctored book covers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 On the topic at hand: I can't handle it anymore. The word "diversity" keeps getting thrown around here, there, at my university, everywhere, and no one's defining it. I give up on diversity on say just start acting like human beings. Talk shit, be nice, whatever, just don't waste your time setting up tolerance classes about how to tolerate everyone except the intolerant. Actual bumper sticker seen in San Francisco: Celebrate Diversity! Actual bumper sticker seen on same car in San Francisco: Friends don't let friends vote Republican. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Has anyone actually gone to www.fauxnews.com? It's actually a parody of Fox news...well sort of, just a couple doctored book covers... Wow, that site sure has a hard-on for Al Franken. Such a shame that in the year 2003 I have to laugh out loud at how crappy that Web site is -- and when I say crappy I mean there's nothing there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 On the topic at hand: I can't handle it anymore. The word "diversity" keeps getting thrown around here, there, at my university, everywhere, and no one's defining it. I give up on diversity on say just start acting like human beings. Talk shit, be nice, whatever, just don't waste your time setting up tolerance classes about how to tolerate everyone except the intolerant. Actual bumper sticker seen in San Francisco: Celebrate Diversity! Actual bumper sticker seen on same car in San Francisco: Friends don't let friends vote Republican. Let me guess -- this car also has some hippie "save the planet" sticker, and the vehicle itself is an automotive dinosaur from the 1970s that spews more fumes than a table full of chain-smoking old ladies playing all-night Bingo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted December 14, 2003 I guess we can lump "diversity" along with "independent media" at this point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cdstunner66 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Am I the only person that is disturbed by the whole forced diversity thing? I'm sick of being told that I have to love and respect this guy because he's gay, and I have to love and respect this girl because she's asian, or black, or muslim, or buddhist or satanic or what-fucking-ever. What if they're an asshole? Why should I ,or any of you, treat someone any different than I would anyone else by virtue of their genetics or beliefs? If I'm going to dislike someone, it'll be based on who they are, not what they are. I honestly don't care what a person believes or is attracted to. If you're good to me, I'm good to you, it's as simple as that. But this milquetoast society of ours can't abide by that philosophy, instead we're forced to "celebrate diversity" whether we want to or not. And that bothers the fuck out of me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Red heads aren't evil. Unless they are guys, then they are evil. Red head females are actually quite lovely. You saying I'm evil? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Such a shame that in the year 2003 I have to laugh out loud at how crappy that Web site is -- and when I say crappy I mean there's nothing there... I was considering registering FAUXNEWSLOL2004.com so at least my URLs and images would have a neat URL tied to them, but then I realized the domain would only be funny for a year. Of course, the catchphrase will probably be dead in a few weeks anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Such a shame that in the year 2003 I have to laugh out loud at how crappy that Web site is -- and when I say crappy I mean there's nothing there... I was considering registering FAUXNEWSLOL2004.com so at least my URLs and images would have a neat URL tied to them, but then I realized the domain would only be funny for a year. But what a great year it would be. Of course, the catchphrase will probably be dead in a few weeks anyway. Don’t count on it If anything, I think you have ignited the Conservative Brigade with that last comment... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Red heads aren't evil. Unless they are guys, then they are evil. Red head females are actually quite lovely. Red-headed chicks are either stunningly gorgeous --- or the MOST hideous women out there. It's amazing that there really is no middle ground here. I've never seen an OK-looking red-head. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Red-headed chicks are either stunningly gorgeous --- or the MOST hideous women out there. It's amazing that there really is no middle ground here. I've never seen an OK-looking red-head. -=Mike Watch it, buddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
