Let the debates begin!

[MooreMark 0]

He also had the great Vulcan Nerve Hold! Which I think is the best rest hold of all time.

[Guest Peter_Griffin]

OK, I noticed someone saying that being over isn't enough, so in that case, why Andre The Giant.

 

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be there, but he was a bad wrestler and was MEGA over. Just like JYD was mega over and wasn't a great wrestler. Both men deserve to be there though.

 

The same thing goes for Yokozuna.

 

Double standards though.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Didn't Buddy Rogers have a heartattack like 2 months after the WWWF started? I mean he was important in that he was the catalyst in the WWWF splitting from the WWWF but he only really ever fought a hand full of matches and Sammartino destroyed him for the belt.

 

And did Rocca even ever wrestle in the WWWF?

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Fairly good list considering the amount of politics that could have been involved.

 

 

Pity on no British Bulldog. Take into account how much he drew for the WWF headlining on many UK tours and how long he was over in the WWF. I would argue his case over someone like Razor Ramon who made it any day.

 

Good to see Ernie Ladd and Pat Patterson make it. The Cat is one of my favourite wrestlers and for a big man I think he was a better worker at his best than Andre was. For someone his size he was quick, athletic and knew how and what to sell. Nowadays Pat Patterson is just known as the gay guy who is also one of Vince's stooge's by most modern fans which is a pity as he was a brilliant brawler in the late 70's/early 80's [and a much better worker than alot of people also on that list].

[The Mandarin 0]

I don't get the Yokozuna hate.

 

I don't remember a bigger heel then him in 1993. He was a great big man and got som great big man matches done. See WM10. He had numerous heat filled matches, that may have lacked what smarks like but the fans enjoyed it. Plus he is a 2 time World Champ and has main evented 2 wrestlemanias.

 

Yokozuna definatly should be on this list.

Yeah, I was always a pretty big Yoko fan.

[Guest Anglesault]

Always remember - Yoko was that fucking big, yet he could somehow bust out a superkick.

 

Nothing wrong with Yokozuna.

I don't get the Yokozuna hate.

 

I don't remember a bigger heel then him in 1993. He was a great big man and got som great big man matches done. See WM10. He had numerous heat filled matches, that may have lacked what smarks like but the fans enjoyed it. Plus he is a 2 time World Champ and has main evented 2 wrestlemanias.

 

Yokozuna definatly should be on this list.

Exactly.

 

Yoko definately belongs on the list, and I don't understand why someone would say no.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

If nothing else, Yoko served as a great example of what a TRUE heel champion should be.

 

He was a big, unstoppable BEAST. I mean, if someone got on an offensive move on him, that was a big deal. Fuck, for a while, if someone knocked him over, it was a big deal.

 

He was the guy that nobody could beat for a while, so that when Bret did beat him, it was a huge fucking deal.

[Guest Anglesault]

And on top of that, anyone who has MEd two Manias deserves a spot.

 

2 of 19 is pretty damn important.

[The Kid 0]

It's a WWF list so what can you expect...they should have made a list of 100, clearly. Maybe we should do that on the board, but even the the complaining wouldn't stop.

Oh...and I didn't start watching the WWF in the Attitude Era...I've probably been watching since 1987.

[Detective Comics 0]

Yeah, and even if it was a top 100 list, I still don't think that Benoit would have any place on it.

[haVoc 0]

List like this are nothing but trouble.

 

You know were gonna end up with 15 different threads on this page with, "This thread was born from the WWE list and this is MY* Top "#" list of wrestlers, workers, entertainers, high flyers and brawlers."

[CanadianChris 0]

Angle, Lesnar, Kane, Patera, and Orndorff shouldn't be on that list. I can understand most everyone else, but those five? No.

Orndorff absolutely belongs on that list. He and Hogan had Hogan's biggest feud of his first title reign.

Andre feud is bigger.

By what measure?

By degree, I guess.

 

It was the two biggest forces in wrestling (or at least the WWF) squaring off.

True enough, but the Orndorff feud made them a lot more money, because they both could do a regular house show schedule. They sold out America with that feud.

 

It's a pity there was only one PPV at the time...that would've been a great feud to blow off at Summerslam or something like that, instead of on a SNME or Big Event-type show.

[Dandy 0]

My justification of why Lesnar is on the list would be that he is the youngest World Champion of all time, and in less than two years, he has been the World Champ three times, he was the quickest to ever get the World Title (5 months or so), ME'd a WM as a rookie (just 1 less than Yoko, whom others agreed should be on the list), and has been a mainstay in the ME for most of his career.

 

Of course titles are won more times in this era, but I remember when Bret Hart won the belt for the 5th time and tied Hogan. I thought that was awesome, and no one would ever be able to beat them. If you look at the number of times some of these people have won the World Title, it probably goes a long way for their inclusion on this list. Angle and Lesnar come to mind. Had Benoit been a two or three time World Champ by this point, he'd definitely make the list.

 

I can't think of a reason for Kane to be on that list. He had a one day title reign (also during his "rookie" year for the Kane character), but has basically been a midcarder for life. I guess he has held just about every belt, though.

[Guest Goodear]

Kane is basically getting in on the JYD and George Steele bandwagon on being a very popular mid card attraction for an extended period of time while having that 'it' factor that allows him to connect with crowds on a few different levels (ie big unstopable monster, sympathetic abused face).

[Guest JericholicEdgeHead]

Good list.

 

But I think the following would be on there in my opionon:

 

Greg Valentine

Tito Santana

Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig

Davey Boy Smith

Big John Studd -just because of the box office money his feud with Andre brought in for nearly 4 years.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Counter-point to Lesnar. He's been in the fed what? 2 years? Not even?

 

That's NOT enough time to judge how "great" he is. He could drop dead tommorrow and never be spoken of again.

 

I think that in order to be considered among the greats, you should have a career that spans a few years - not two.

[J. Hungerford Smith 0]

Shawn Michaels - No

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[Jobber of the Week 0]

3) During the attitude era was when many people on this board began watching wrestling. It doesn't mean they have no aquired knowledge of events previous to that. Most people would have been too young to comprehend what was going on, we're not all 56 year old peadophiles who only post on this board to indulge their fantasies of being "flamed" by younger posters.

Thank you. Also, one must remember that the WWE generally can't remember who was face or heel six months ago. So for them to expect even the hardcore crowd to remember who some of these guys are is kind of hard to swalow.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Okay, to explain some of my choices:

 

Shawn Michaels: Didn't draw flies as champion. Filled the main event when nobody else was available, but hardly could generate business and was also a major league primadonna backstage. Sorry, I've never considered the guy a legend, no matter how much they want to feed me the idea that he is.

 

Scott Hall: I'm one of the few people here who feel sorry for the guy, and think that his work isn't that bad. If he did more in the fed, he should have been up here. Unfortunately, he didn't. He kind of peaked early and then left.

 

Yokozuna: Now here's a guy who many of today's fans think couldn't ever fit in the main event. But he could do a lot of shit including the previously mentioned superkick. Scott Steiner and Kevin Nash are less heavy guys and they get winded just walking down to the ring. So yes, I respect his contribution.

[Guest JMA]

Andre the Giant - Yes

Gorilla Monsoon - Yes

Shawn Michaels - Yes

Undertaker - Yes

Iron Sheik - Yes

George "The Animal" Steele - Yes

Haystacks Calhoun - No

Ric Flair - Yes

Jesse Ventura - Yes

Junkyard Dog - Yes

Roddy Piper - Yes

Kane - No

King Kong Bundy - No

Buddy Rogers - Yes

Ultimate Warrior - NO

Magnificent Muraco - Yes

Honky Tonk Man

Hulk Hogan - YES

Killer Kowalski - Yes

Pat Patterson - Yes

Chris Jericho - Yes

Chief Jay Strongbow

Stone Cold Steve Austin - YES

Ted Dibiase - Yes

Bret Hart - YES

Bob Backlund - Yes

Bobo Brazil - Yes

Ivan Putski - Yes

Razor Ramon - Yes

Wendi Richter - Yes

The Rock - Yes

Randy Savage - Yes

Jake "the Snake" Roberts - Yes

Ricky Steamboat - Yes

Mick Foley - Yes

Triple H - Yes

Jimmy Snuka - Yes

Bruno Sammartino - YES

Fabulous Moolah - Yes

Brock Lesnar - Yes

Yokozuna - Yes

Billy Graham - Yes

Antonio Rocca - Yes

Pedro Morales - Yes

Sgt. Slaughter - Yes

Ernie Ladd - Yes

Kurt Angle - Yes

Rick Rude - Yes

Ken Patera - No

Paul Orndorff - Yes

 

Except for a few, the list is pretty good. Still, I think Ivan Koloff, Nikolai Volkoff, Curt Hennig, and Owen Hart should be on that list.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Better list than I'd expect. Main omissions are Bulldog, Hennig and Owen. Aside from those 3 and possibly Sid, yes Sid, no major omissions.

[Slingshot Suplex 0]

Good list.

 

But I think the following would be on there in my opionon:

 

Greg Valentine

Tito Santana

Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig

Davey Boy Smith

Big John Studd -just because of the box office money his feud with Andre brought in for nearly 4 years.

I would plug Greg Valentine,Tito Santana,Curt Hennig and Davey Boy Smith into the spots occupied by Bundy,Kane,Putski and Ventura.

 

In terms of wrestling,Ventura was rarely above mid card, got the occasional title shot at Hogan or Backlund and other than a feud with Putski......I can't remember another true feud he even had as a wrestler after 1984.

 

As an announcer,I have no problem with him being on the list but not for his wrestling work.

[deancoles 0]

OK, I noticed someone saying that being over isn't enough, so in that case, why Andre The Giant.

 

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be there, but he was a bad wrestler and was MEGA over. Just like JYD was mega over and wasn't a great wrestler. Both men deserve to be there though.

 

The same thing goes for Yokozuna.

 

Double standards though.

Andre was very good in the 70s.His back problems totally killed his ringwork.

[The Mandarin 0]

Sid

Yep, Sid was pretty big back in '96-'97. 2 time heavyweight champ, main evented 2 WrestleManias.

 

I think he should have gotten on the list, personally.

[haVoc 0]

Only name on that list I don't know is Antonio Rocca.

[razazteca 0]

Only name on that list I don't know is Antonio Rocca.

The A&E documentary The Untold Truth of Pro Wrestling had a segment on Rocca. He was an Argentine immigrant that was very acrobatic and used alot of unique leg moves, such as flying leg scissors, and trademark kicks. Rocca had alot of charisma and played to the fans as a good guy.

[2GOLD 0]

Kane makes the list for the same reason Warrior made the list, they are both former WWF champions.

 

Kane had a 24 hour reign while Warrior had a decent length reign.

 

Bundy and Calhoun make it for being larger than life and hard to take down...in other words, big ass hosses who if you knocked them down, they were like a turtle on it's back. But knocking them down was the problem.

[CanadianChris 0]

Kane makes the list for the same reason Warrior made the list, they are both former WWF champions.

 

Kane had a 24 hour reign while Warrior had a decent length reign.

They why no Sid? Hell, at least Sid held it longer than a day.

[haVoc 0]

Big Show should be on the list before Kane.

[The Mandarin 0]

Big Show should be on the list before Kane.

Very true, Big Show's made more of an impact.