Papacita 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Actually, I would put Chyna over Wendi Richter. Chyna got some big mainstream attention, and was at the top of the midcard for a while. She's also a 2 time IC champ, but that doesn't mean too much. Had I realized Richter was on the list, I'd have made a case for Chyna. Actually, I've never seen Richter wrestle. Was she any good? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Actually, I would put Chyna over Wendi Richter. Chyna got some big mainstream attention, and was at the top of the midcard for a while. She's also a 2 time IC champ, but that doesn't mean too much. Had I realized Richter was on the list, I'd have made a case for Chyna. Actually, I've never seen Richter wrestle. Was she any good? She was almost as over as Hogan until she got let go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NCJ Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Richter was way more over than Chyna in the eighties, but yes you could make a case for Chyna if you wanted to. I think the two women they choose were fine though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted December 14, 2003 We need a Smart Mark top fifty WWWF/WWF/WWE wrestlers ever. We could all vote on who stays and who goes. Just an idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaosrage 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Bad idea. That would be like asking random people in the crowds. Everybody will just put their favorites down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryankeast 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 I've no real bones with the list. Good List Overall. Glad people like Rude and Roberts were included. Like so many amazed at no Bulldob, Henning and Owen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Hennig should be on, Owen should not be. Sorry, but I think Owen's death causes alot of us to overhype his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 I think Owen had a pretty good mid-card career. I laugh at the people who say "Owen would have been a world champion by now if he didn't die." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Andre the Giant - Massive draw wherever he went. A good wrestler too in the early days. MADE Hogan after Mania 3 Gorilla Monsoon - Possibly wrestled more matches than anyone in WWF history. A good announcer, but a much loved wrestler. Shawn Michaels - One of the best entertainers of the last decade and influenced so many. Undertaker - An absoulte cornerstone of the WWF and was the only reason to watch at some periods in the 90s. Has wrestled everyone on the roster and is actually underrated. Iron Sheik - Put over Hogan in 84 and was a legitimate wrestlers and tough guy. George "The Animal" Steele - Nah Haystacks Calhoun - Big name in Britain Ric Flair - A legend, but didn't do enough in the WWF to justify a place. Jesse Ventura - An announcer, yes, but no great shakes as a wrestler. Junkyard Dog - Massively over, but not much use. Roddy Piper - Amazing character and a great understanding of physchology. Kane - One of the best big men ever. Agile, over and mysterious. He should be on the list. King Kong Bundy - Nah. Relatively short wrestling career, which didn't last long in the WWF. Buddy Rogers - A big part of the beginnings of the WWF. Ultimate Warrior - One of the most popular wrestlers ever. Terrible in the ring, but much loved. Magnificent Muraco - Yes Honky Tonk Man - Honky Tonk Man is underrated even though he wasn't much of a wrestler. He was HATED during the year+ long Intercontinental title run. Hulk Hogan - Nuff sed. Killer Kowalski - Yes Pat Patterson - Ruined his great career somewhat with his farcial recent matches, but a terrific wrestler early on and was an influentuial figure because of his background. A great booker too. Chris Jericho - Excellent all-rounder. Chief Jay Strongbow - Excellent run as tag-champion in 60s and 70s. Stone Cold Steve Austin - Was the attitude era. Ted Dibiase - A great mind for the business and a good wrestler Bret Hart - Excellent wrestler Bob Backlund - An underrated wrestler who was immensely popular because of his goofy image and naive approach. Bobo Brazil - Influential. Ivan Putski - hmmm Razor Ramon - A good wrestler whose career was wasted with drugs and alcohol Wendi Richter - As popular as female wrestler as there's ever been. The Rock - Simply superb. One of the best-rounded wrestlers ever. Randy Savage - Great character and a great wrestler. Jake "the Snake" Roberts - A terrific mind for the business. His problems held him back. Ricky Steamboat - Great wrestler, but not important to the WWF. Mick Foley - An enduring figure and a well known face for the WWF. Triple H - His 2000 run is enough, in my view. Jimmy Snuka - Crazy over and was crazy too, apparently. Bruno Sammartino - The first and one of the best. Fabulous Moolah - Has wrestled longer than anyone. Brock Lesnar - Too early for him to be judged. It looks good, however. Yokozuna - Was loathed; an excellent heel. Billy Graham - Drugs spoiled a career which was promising but loved and hated in good ways. Antonio Rocca - Can't comment Pedro Morales - Influential Sgt. Slaughter - Didn't do enough for the WWF. Deserves credit, though, for going along with the Iraq storyline Ernie Ladd - Can't comment Kurt Angle - One of the greatest wrestlers ever. Seamless transition into pro-wrestling. Ric Rude - Yes Ken Patera - Can't comment Paul Orndorff - A great heel in the 80s and was a genuine threat to Hogan's title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Andre the Giant - Massive draw wherever he went. A good wrestler too in the early days. MADE Hogan after Mania 3 Hogan was already "made" to an certain extent. He was already champion for a good two years, give or take, at that point. WWF was doing great business with Hogan. Live shows, TV shows, toys, clothes, even a cartoon. Andre "making" Hogan is a little over played. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Slightly off-topic..... In regards to Owen being a World Champ, there were at LEAST two instances where giving him the Title would have made sense and I would have expected it. 1. During his fued with Bret 2. After Bret left and Owen was attacking DX and Michaels in particular Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Okay, to explain some of my choices: Shawn Michaels: Didn't draw flies as champion. Filled the main event when nobody else was available, but hardly could generate business and was also a major league primadonna backstage. Sorry, I've never considered the guy a legend, no matter how much they want to feed me the idea that he is. . Doesn't matter. Was one of the mainstays who kept the WWF from dying during the dark days, was a consistantly excellent worker from 1993 to early 1998, held many titles was a fixture in the MEs and is extremely popular. His financial standings are a drawback, sure. But if that's your entire case against him; you're wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Ric Flair - A legend, but didn't do enough in the WWF to justify a place. He was a two time WWF champion, had an entire year booked around him (from costing Hogan the title in late 1991 through to when he dropped the title to Bret in late 1992), had great matches all through that time, then came back two years ago and put more people over. That should be plenty...especially if you think HHH's 2000 run was enough for him to make the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Peter_Griffin Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Ric Flair, won the title TWICE, made a new star, was involved in one of the greatest matches in WWF history, and was involved in one of the best storylines as well. Every match he was in during the run was good that I have seen. But no, he didn't do enough in his WWF reign, not at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Ric Flair, won the title TWICE, made a new star, was involved in one of the greatest matches in WWF history, and was involved in one of the best storylines as well. Just wondering, which match you talking about? Rumble 92 or WM8 against Savage? I think those two are great, but I hate the match against Bret when he won the title. That match is just awful and boring. I know Flair had a broken ear drum or something, but he looked like he had more pills in him then X-pac on a good day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Kane - One of the best big men ever. Agile, over and mysterious. Kane is one of the best big men ever? Has your only exposure to pro wrestling been through WWF/E from 1997 on? - Stan Hansen - Vader - Andre the Giant - Gary Albright - Steve Williams - Shinya Hashimoto - Yokozuna - Bruiser Brody - Brock Lesnar All miles better then fuckin Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 I never thought of Steve Williams as the typical "big guy." Throw Bam Bam in there instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Yeah, I would but Williams is better then Bam Bam. I still got love for the Bigelow but I just gots more love for the Doctor of Death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Peter_Griffin Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Ric Flair, won the title TWICE, made a new star, was involved in one of the greatest matches in WWF history, and was involved in one of the best storylines as well. Just wondering, which match you talking about? Rumble 92 or WM8 against Savage? I think those two are great, but I hate the match against Bret when he won the title. That match is just awful and boring. I know Flair had a broken ear drum or something, but he looked like he had more pills in him then X-pac on a good day. I WAS talking about Rumble 92. I would say Flair did pretty much all he could in the time he was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Kane - One of the best big men ever. Agile, over and mysterious. Kane is one of the best big men ever? Has your only exposure to pro wrestling been through WWF/E from 1997 on? - Stan Hansen - Vader - Andre the Giant - Gary Albright - Steve Williams - Shinya Hashimoto - Yokozuna - Bruiser Brody - Brock Lesnar All miles better then fuckin Kane. Many on your list don't fall into the near 7 foot category. And I've already mentioned Andre and Yokozuna as being worthy of being on the list. So in other words, What's your point, caller? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 Where is the guidelines that says a guy must be at least 7 feet to be considered a "big man." The term "big man" traditionally refers to those wrestlers who posses a large frame, period. You could be 6'4 and be 400 pounds and be considered a big man. My point was that Kane sucks compared to all those guys I listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2003 When I said ever, I meant ever in the WWF. I should have made that clear. Therefore some of the chaps on your list wouldn't make it. And overall, I think Kane is fantastic. He's worthy of being on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted December 26, 2003 Star Ocean- Who's that in your sig? Yowza! He didn't know when I asked him. I'd sure like to know though. Cutie As for the list itself, like with most lists, after you get past a top 20 or so, some guys are gonna seem more like filler than anything, and those are the guys you debate on. Putski's probably the only one on there I don't get on any level. He doesn't have the main event excuse or the charisma excuse, he was just really muscular, though Graham blew him away. Putski was tag champion with Tito Santana and Tony Garea. And Putski was mad over. He was the face version of Billy Graham, after Bruno left the scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted December 27, 2003 Kane isn't 7 feet tall, people.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Monday Night Jericho Report post Posted December 27, 2003 Yeah, he's around 6''7. And add Terry Gordy to the big man list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
