Mrnoitaull 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I read the results from the previous Raw and I was confused as hell of Foley's actions. However, I know that Foley would not go out like that. Now seeing that Orton is in fact "The Legend Killer" and Foley being in fact a legend, I see Orton not fighting The Rock(rumored to fight Cena) at PPV, but Foley and it will be for the IC title.( some are maybe saying duh, at least hopefully) anyway, thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I wouldn't be against it. I thought it was rediculous that they almost gave away Foley's in-ring return on Raw with absolutely no buildup when, if well hyped, it could bring in a higher buyrate to any PPV - especially WrestleMania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Randy Orton will never be over. It does not matter if he is champion, it does not matter if he has matches with legends, Randy will never be over. Randy Orton = Billy Gunn. Randy should be stuck in tag team division for the rest of his career as Randy lacks certain qualities which can be hidden with the proper tag partner. Now being in a stable helps a little but all of the attention is being focused on the other members of Evolution. Randy looks like the team runt. Hell the theme song gets more heat than Randy. Ok back to the Mick Foley deal. I remember Foley falling down stairs for Randy a few months ago.......did that help Randy's gimmick any as the legend killer? Mick Foley can do a Shane O'Mac bump off the titan tron for Randy Orton but will it really help Randy any? Other than giving JR a chance to yell at the top of his lungs and scream some cliches will this help Randy any? I think the answer is no, because Randy is a boring person. His mic skills are not up to WWE standards, Randy does not have any charisma at all, and if he does the current character he is using is not helping. Either the blue chipper is trying to hard, the creative staff are useless, get the boy some Sports Entertainment coaches and throw his ass back in the farm league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I think alot of you guys are a bit too hard on Orton, and I think it's because of the push he's getting.....I understand where you guys are coming from, but you make the guy seem totally worthless and it's just not true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I would rather see Dave Batista as a double champion than Randy Orton with the IC belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MixxMaster 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I think alot of you guys are a bit too hard on Orton, and I think it's because of the push he's getting.....I understand where you guys are coming from, but you make the guy seem totally worthless and it's just not true. SEEM totally worthless??? No...he IS totally worthless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 ::waits for Anglesault to chime in on the Randy Orton hate:: I'll pass judgment until I figure out where they're going with it, but I don't have a good feeling about this angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Orton isn't that bad on the mike, but he just needs to delivery his point quicker. Plus sticking him in near 20 minute matches with RVD is NOT a good move. And personally, I'd rather see Batista break he leg than hold any titles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 The only way I could see the potential of Randy Orton to become a reality is if he has a Texas Deathmatch with Foley with Randy bleeding in the same manner that HHH did in the past matches vs Foley. So Randy would have to take a barbwire bat to the face, get the crimsom mask of blood, take some thumb tack bumps, do a flaming branding iron or bat spot and still win the match after a titan tron bump from the heavens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted December 17, 2003 The only way I could see the potential of Randy Orton to become a reality is if he has a Texas Deathmatch with Foley with Randy bleeding in the same manner that HHH did in the past matches vs Foley. So Randy would have to take a barbwire bat to the face, get the crimsom mask of blood, take some thumb tack bumps, do a flaming branding iron or bat spot and still win the match after a titan tron bump from the heavens. Has Orton even bladed yet? (Remembers the good old days when all of a sudden main eventer Hardcore Holly was feuding with him for being a rookie.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Well Flair and HHH can give him lessons on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1234-5678 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 The only way I could see the potential of Randy Orton to become a reality is if he has a Texas Deathmatch with Foley with Randy bleeding in the same manner that HHH did in the past matches vs Foley. So Randy would have to take a barbwire bat to the face, get the crimsom mask of blood, take some thumb tack bumps, do a flaming branding iron or bat spot and still win the match after a titan tron bump from the heavens. Foley singlehandedly made HHH this star he is today with the matches at Rumble 2000, and No Way Out 2000. I think that might be able to work for Orton too, but one match wouldn't be enough, they'd have to work a 3-4 month program, with 2 or 3 singles matches. Is Foley still up to it? Probably not, but ya never know. People didn't think Michaels would be able to work anymore either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 HHH has Stephanie......who will back Randy Orton? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I see where people are coming from on the Orton issue, but I would imagine that most people can see he is better than Bautista. I would rather have a bland moveset OVW worker(Orton) than a big goofy hoss that has strong potential to kill someone in the ring with how green he is(Bautista). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Big green dangerous hoss is Heidenreich. Batista's injuries suggest that he is more of a danger to himself than others. But there are some important differences between Batista and Orton: Finishers: Batista's is a sit-out powerbomb. It's a crap, generic move, but Batista is big enough to give it some impact and make it look nasty. Orton's finisher is a running Diamond Cutter, which is a better move but he executes it horribly every... single... time. Mic work: Orton is laboured and slurred (maybe he's been hanging around Trips too much). Batista's mic work is far above Orton and in my book is better than Triple H - he seems perfectly natural, as if he's speaking his own thoughts rather than trying to get across what creative have told him to. He's not on the big-money level of Rock, Jericho, Flair or anyone like that, but can more than hold his own. Orton can't. In-ring work: Batista is unoriginal but does his limited moveset relatively well. Orton's is a little more varied with things like what i believe is Mike Sander's 3.0 in there, but isn't great. However, both men are acceptable without being worthy of main-even status. But Orton's big problem is... TIMING: He sucks. Not in the timing of his moves as such, although the RKO looks so bad it makes me wince every time, but Orton in the ring DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. He doesn't know where he's meant to be, or when he's meant to be there. Even a worker as limited as Bubba Dudley or the fucking Big Show knows that - in many matches Orton staggers around for too long before ending up in the right place, or just moves there for no reason other than he needs to be there because of the next spot. Watch him in tag matches. When Evolution are being beaten up he'll realise he's being groggy on the wrong side of the ring and just wander aimlessly across in order for RVD to kick him over the rope, or whatever. I've never noticed Batista fall down on this, at least not more than anyone else. Basically, in my view Batista could be moulded into a solid upper-midcard powerhouse. He has the mic skills and the look to carry it, and his matches are generally acceptable if nothing more due to the fact that he does what he does relatively well, and generally knows his way around. Orton is young, true, but his moveset and mic skills are blow those of a perennial mid-carder like Goldust, and his ring-sense compares unfavourably to people like Maven. Terms like "suck-bag" are too harsh for him, and he has a place in the WWE - but not the one he has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Batista = Sid Vicious which can be good. Randy Orton = David Flair the US and Tag Champion...........why does he have the gold? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Oh come on, Randy Orton is not David Flair. He is at least Lex Luger in his prime for goodness sake. I'm still waiting for a mirror and the Ort-Express Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Batista = Sid Vicious which can be good. Dude, your REALLY dissappointing me on this one, bro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Batista = Sid Vicious which can be good. Dude, your REALLY dissappointing me on this one, bro. Sorry all of my hate is only focused on Randy Orton at the moment. But considering all of the big guys who were "shove down our throats" Dave Batista has the most potential. Can't you see that this is a huge swerve to get Batista over all the while having Randy look so bad? Batista ruler and master of the WORLD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Batista = Sid Vicious which can be good. Dude, your REALLY dissappointing me on this one, bro. Sorry all of my hate is only focused on Randy Orton at the moment. But considering all of the big guys who were "shove down our throats" Dave Batista has the most potential. Can't you see that this is a huge swerve to get Batista over all the while having Randy look so bad? Batista ruler and master of the WORLD Don't get me wrong. I HATED Orton at first. But recently I have seen some improvment in his in ring work. But Bautista on the other hand is REALLY being shoved down our throats. But I can definately see where all the hatred of Orton is coming from though. I don't get pissed about it anymore, I try to balance my WWE watching with a steady diet of Puro so I don't go totally fucking nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
claydude14 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Batista>Orton. There's been enough vailid points above mine to show this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I don't know if Foley still has enough to make Orton a star the way he made HHH a star. Foley is not as over as he needs to be for that to happen. The crowd's respone was lukewarm at best everytime Bischoff or Foley would elude to him getting back into the ring. Add to the fact that he is out of shape, and hasn't been in the ring for awhile. The circumstances are totally different from when he played job boy to HHH. I wouldn't doubt a NON-over Orton is holding the WWE title by WM, if not only for Orton being HHH's so-called "pet project" As Triple H said himself, he is going to do ANYTHING POSSIBLE to get them over, which leads me to believe he will make sure they get as much air time, wins, belts etc......until they get over. Which also makes me believe HHH will get him the world title belt whether he is over or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Orton needs to do someting memorably nasty first. Something like Piper and the coconut. Something like burying Bill Watts with the US flag. Something like Molly making Lita literally eat her words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Well Orton challenged Austin, HBK, Foley but nothing worth remembering happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
