haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Benoit getting depushed is crap. Everytime he he gets a title shot or a #1 contenders shot he steps it up more then anyone and he gets fucked for it afterwards. Vince/Cat, thank god for VCR's. I like the Shannon Moore stuff. Is it going anywhere? Probably not. But I like seeing him bump and sell like a machine for these guys. 4 way tag match should be fun. I like the Cena/Big Show stuff and actually wish they would get more time on the show. When is this Iraq show? Was it recorded already? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sleekster Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Bah... What LOGICAL reason is there behind a Benoit/FBI fued? Bah... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Beats me you would think the FBI would LOVE Benoit after collecting that $100,000 bet that A-Train made a week ago. Anyway, since Brock is feuding with everyone on the roster at the moment and I assume you would actually want Benoit on the show in some capacity... it makes sense to feed him a midcarder like Palumbo just to remind people that he's still out there. But the real continuing nature of the Brock-Benoit feud is really in the hands of the announcers this show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Hey, Kanyon isn't jobbing to Orlando on Velocity! Hooray! Velocity looks good, save for Morgan/Funaki. As for SD, the 4-way tag looks decent, and Brock/Shannon could be fun. Also interested to see the Benoit/Palumbo match. There's absolutely no reason for Benoit to be anywhere near the FBI (who I happen to like), but it could be a decent match. Benoit should have destroyed the FBI post-match, however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Also, here's some more detailed spoilers from WO: Dark Matches: 1. Mideon and Brent Dail v Travis Tomko and Kevin Fertig Tomko and Ferting win with a combination sidewalk slam and standing elbow drop 2. Carly Colon v Johnny Jeter Jeter wins with spinning heel kick from the top turnbuckle. Jeter looked good, Colon however did not. 3. Shane Twins v Jim Steele and Mike Barton Steele and Barton win when Barton hits a top turnbuckle elbow drop a la Macho and HBK Velocity Results: 1. Paul London v Tajiri in a non-title match Highlights of the match see a tarantula by Tajiri, the dropsault by London, a moonsault from the middle rope by London and a missile dropkick by London. Tajiri wins with the kick to the head. Good match but probably not as good as expected. Crowd popped for London's high spots but other than that, not really behind him. 2. Matt Morgan v Funaki I wonder who is going to win this match? Morgan by the way has the worst entrance video I have ever seen. All it consists of is a graphic of him, nothing else. Morgan wins with sit down powerbomb. Morgan really didn't receive much of a reaction, while Funaki did get a good pop and cheers of "Funaki!" 3. Johnny Stamboli v Spanky Loud "Spanky" chants, not such a good match and Stamboli wins with a swinging DDT 4. Akio and Sakoda v Kidman and Dragon Dragon and Kidman received large pops, especially Dragon. Really good tag match between these guys especially Akio and Dragon. Highlights saw triangle choke over the ropes by Akio and standard Dragon moves. Finish saw Kidman go for a bulldog running of the corner caught by Akio and Sakoda which led to a powerbomb by Sakoda. Dragon throws Sakoda outside and then hits a cross body from the top rope to the outside. Leaves Kidman alone with Akio, hits a kick to the head and pulls hims over for the SSP and the win. Smackdown: A video package shows last weeks main event Cena comes out to a big pop and gives us a holiday rap which included lines about "I asked for presents but all I got was yellow snow" and something about Santa Claus being away while Mrs. Claus and he engage in some sexual activity. Crowd loved it and love Cena. 1. Big Show v Orlando Jordan in a non-title match Cena stays out for commentary. Show wins with chokeslam in 2:00. Not a good match and I thought OJ was on Velocity? Backstage, Hardcore Holly shows up and we are informed he is a special guest of Heyman's tonight and he is escorted to his own room. Out in the ring, A-Train segment with Heyman, Brock and Morgan. As always, "Shave your back!" chants begin. As well as "You tapped out!" but people still popped big for Brock when he cam e out. Brock has a question for A-Train. He tells Train that he beat Mysterio and made him tap out and that makes him the greatest champion of all time. He was unable to see Train's match with Shannon Moore last week so he wanted to know what happened? Morgan tells Brock that Train lost and he lost all of Brock and Team Lesnar's money. They roll the tape of the match from last week. Train tells them that he wants a chance, says he is sorry. Heyman has an idea. Pay off the wrestlers and debt that he owes for ECW? NO, but that Hardcore Holly is a problem for Brock, so there will be a special match tonight. Holly's suspension is lifted immediately b/c of the Board of Directors. It will be an ALL OR Nothing match and if Holly wins he is back in, if he loses he is terminated. Originally supposed to be a handicap match but now it will be Morgan/Train v Holly and Shannon Moore. Segment ends and Brock stays in the ring a little longer and is greeted with "You tapped out" again. T-Shirt guy receives some of the loudest heel heat for tonight b/c he wasn't giving ringside people any shirts. Loud Loud "you suck" chants. Graphic for Tag Team Championship Match which is now a Fatal 4-way. Video package shown that talks about house shows and interviews Cena, Chavo, and Scotty 2 Hotty as well as some of the people at the house shows. 2. Fatal 4 Way: Guerreros v Bashams v WGTT v Rikishi/Scotty Really good match but hard to take notes on and it started slow but towards the end it got much better. Rules were anyone could tag in so it made it kind of confusing in spots with to who the legal man was. Loud Loud "Eddie" chants, he was probably the most over guy with the exception of Cena and Mysterio. Eddie hits the 3 vertical suplexes, then a superplex by Chavo on Doug Basham but Danny is on the top rope and hits a splash onto Chavo and they win and retain the belts. Kind of a lame finish but good match that went about 14:00-15:00 minutes. Heyman segment backstage where he says that he will have a tumbler (like in bingo for the numbers to be drawn out of) in order to pick an opponent for a title match tonight on Smackdown for the champ Brock Lesnar. Cat with Lamont is in the ring and he starts talking which leads to Sable coming out to confront the Cat for the kiss from last week. She tells him that if he ever does it again that he will be sorry. She goes to hit him but he blocks it and is preparing to kiss her again but wait.. "No Chance that's what ya' got" hits and out walks Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Crowd pops for Vince and he is out to set the Cat straight (not sexually but in his thinking). Cat tells us that he is the greatest but Vince thinks differently and says that he is the greatest promoter of all time, the greatest perfomer of all time, the greatest businessman of all time and last but not least the greatest "damn" lover of all time. Vince then tells Cat that he can dance and so Vince starts dancing and it was similar to Elaine from Seinfeld, it was great to watch the dance, too funny. Cat starts dancing and Vince is walking around behind him and then he kicks him in the balls and the Cat goes down and Vince leaves. Smack of the night: Nidia/Noble when he threw her into the ring from 2 weeks ago? 3. Rey Mysterio v Noble with Nidia for the #1 contender's match for Cruiserweight title, it was never announced but I am assuming. Start of with lots of back and forth trading of moves which leads to the ECW stand off from the two dropkicks by both men and they face each other, good stuff. Cool spot was Noble set up in the 619 but when Rey runs at him Noble opens the ropes and Rey goes flying outside the ring. Finish comes when Noble takes Nidia and throws her into the ring and then he dropkicks her into Brian Hebner into Rey and they Noble sets up for the Tiger Driver but it is reversed into a standing West Coast Pop. Good match but short as always. Hardcore Holly is backstage with Josh Matthews and he tells us he has no other choice but to be there tonight to wrestle to save his career. Crowd sort of pops for Holly 4. Benoit v Palumbo Nunzio and Stamboli are sent to the back. Benoit is getting beat up for the beginning for awhile but the he hits the crossface and Palumbo reaches the ropes. Hits the 3 Germans and then the diving headbutt but Palumbo kicks out. He ends up winning with the crossface. Poor Benoit. Also post match sees FBI all out and beat down on Benoit with 2 superkicks by Palumbo. Good Pop for Benoit before the match and after the match he was still in the ring and holding the back of his head for a good 5 minutes. Nidia is backstage with the trainer and Rey tries to come up and tell her what happened. She gets freaked out b/c I guess Noble told her that Rey pushed her into the ring (no audio on that part) they exchange words in Spanish but eventually she tells him to go away. 5. Rhyno v Faarooq Rhyno calls out Bradshaw but he never comes out so he tells the ref to raise his hand as he won by forfeit. However, Faarooq comes out and match begins. DQ finish with low blow by Rhyno followed by the GORE..GORE...GORE. Faarooq wins by DQ. Backstage, Heyman is with Dawn Marie(looking really really hot) and he tells Dawn to tell the cops to take out the tumbler so they can get the WWE Championship match started next 6. Lesnar v Shannon Moore Lesnar is out and picks out a ping pong ball from the tumbler and it says Shannon Moore. At first he says he doesn't want to face Smackdown's hottest new superstar and then holds up Shannon Moore's name on the ping pong ball and he starts to laugh. Moore begins by working on Lesnar's knees. Eventually that doesn't work too well and Brock has the Brock Lock on Moore and he taps out. About 3:00- 4:00 minute match. Post match sees Lesnar saying that Shannon put up a good fight but he is the best WWE champion ever. Goes to pull out all the balls in the tumbler, all say Shannon Moore on it. 7. Holly/Moore v Morgan/Train Lesnar is still out at ringside. This is really should be a Velocity main event. Bad match for a main event. Match was all to build to the hot tag for Holly where he hits 2 clotheslines on Train and a dropkick. Lesnar hits Holly with a chair on the outside. He was rolled back in the ring and Morgan hits the sit down powerbomb. Holly kicks out at 2. Later, Holly hits the Alabama slam for the win. Now Holly is back, yeah. Post match sees Lesnar yell at Morgan and Train. He hits Morgan with the belt and then an F5 on Train which the crowd pops for. Holly comes back down and throws Brock out. I don't know if that will air or not. Rey, Eddie, Cena and Benoit were the most over with Loud Cena and Eddie chants all night, especially Cena and Jacksonville is not too heavily populated with Latinos like El Paso or Laredo or San Diego. Good show but main event killed everything. 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CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Benoit being shoved down the card makes the baby Jesus cry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sleekster Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Beats me you would think the FBI would LOVE Benoit after collecting that $100,000 bet that A-Train made a week ago. Anyway, since Brock is feuding with everyone on the roster at the moment and I assume you would actually want Benoit on the show in some capacity... it makes sense to feed him a midcarder like Palumbo just to remind people that he's still out there. But the real continuing nature of the Brock-Benoit feud is really in the hands of the announcers this show. I won't mind it so much if it isn't leading to a fued, but form the looks of things..... Hopefully the announcers do help continue the fued, but from the look of the spoliers, Brock and Benoit were in no way connected. Maybe they can do an angle like Paul E. is paying the FBI off to try and injure Benoit before the Rumble or something. That could work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Just reading the spoilers knocks me out with a wave of stupidity, actually watching the show would probably cause permanent brain damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Man...I would SOOO buy a Velocity only ppv. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Just something for you people to think about when thinking about Benoit being pushed down the card to face the FBI, when we THOUGHT he'd be going for the WWE Title... Back in late 1993/early 1994: Look how Bret Hart was treated before his WrestleMania title win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 (Smarks) STOP PUTTING THE CRUISER IN IMPORTANT MATCHES! He's just distracting from the goal of trying to put over Bob Holly! What the hell are you doing, you senile old man? Cruisers are just for sideshow anyway! Who the fuck said that?! If anyone actually wanted to see a Holly push (besides the few that always dissent from what everyone else wants to see), that might be a problem. But if Shannon Moore is holding back Holly from getting over in any way, I want MORE of him on my television. Fuck Benoit trying to get Holly over.....Shannon Moore is where it's at! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldSchoolWrestling 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 So Vince was a face for a night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 4. Benoit v Palumbo Nunzio and Stamboli are sent to the back. Benoit is getting beat up for the beginning for awhile but the he hits the crossface and Palumbo reaches the ropes. Hits the 3 Germans and then the diving headbutt but Palumbo kicks out. He ends up winning with the crossface. Poor Benoit. Also post match sees FBI all out and beat down on Benoit with 2 superkicks by Palumbo. Good Pop for Benoit before the match and after the match he was still in the ring and holding the back of his head for a good 5 minutes. FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I'd offer words of comfort, old friend, but that would be something somebody with hope would do and I have no hope. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin3164life 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Looks like a very uneventful and unspectacular show. Looks like my television is gathering more dust Thursday night..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 17, 2003 So... who should Benoit be wrestling exactly? Big Show is tied up with Cena which is good for them and he just finished a feud with A-Train... who else is left on the heel side of things above Chuck Palumbo (who Benoit beat by the way)? Benoit can't just wrestle Brock every week until the Rumble and getting wins over the FBI while Brock cleans up the Hardcore Holly thing (hopefully on SmackDown since as far as the spoilers say the title match is not SET to be at the Rumble). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Watching people try to justify the unjustifiable is funny sometimes. And sometimes it's tragic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted December 17, 2003 But the worst is Shannon Moore. Shannon Moore is a C-level superstar in the eyes of most people. I ask you: why this ridiculous push? It's not making him look good. It's not entertaining. It's not leading to anything. Moore doesn't come out to tremendous pops because of it. This is the same kind of questions people asked about WCW in 2000. What's the freakin' point of this? (Smarks) For the love of god, man! Please! PUSH CRUISERS! (Vince) Well, it's time for the yearly Bob Holly push. This never goes anywhere, so I guess I might as well see if I can work a cruiser in there. (Smarks) STOP PUTTING THE CRUISER IN IMPORTANT MATCHES! He's just distracting from the goal of trying to put over Bob Holly! What the hell are you doing, you senile old man? Cruisers are just for sideshow anyway! (Vince) You're not getting my point. You want people to cheer Shannon Moore, you make people think he's more than just a "C-level superstar." A good example of this was Rock s. Hurricane earlier this year. In this case, however, Shannon Moore really isn't getting pushed. All he's doing is going out there and being beat up every Smackdown. In a couple of weeks it'll be forgotton and Moore will be no better off than he was. In WCW during 2000 they would just throw anybody out there, cruiserweights, heavyweights, non-wrestlers, each week. They wouldn't really do anything, fail, and go back to obscurity. And that's what this is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Watching people try to justify the unjustifiable is funny sometimes. And sometimes it's tragic. And people trying to unjustify justifications of justifiable justice is justice, justice, justice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted December 17, 2003 You're not getting my point. You want people to cheer Shannon Moore, you make people think he's more than just a "C-level superstar." Moore is getting Mikey Whipwreck'd to the fullest extent of the law where we're all supposed to feel like he's one of us and a gritty bastard who keeps fighting 'no matter what!' The problem is Moore isn't really all that sympathetic since he doesn't seem to show off a whole lot of emotional vibe in his matches and a guy like Spanky who seems to have more emotional range would probably be better for this role. It's more of an attempt to push Shannon Moore than anything else they've ever done with the guy ... which isn't saying shit but Moore simply isn't very good at being sympathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 On the plus side, Velocity looks OK...Tajiri/London and Akio/Sakada vs Kidman/Dragon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 It's more of an attempt to push Shannon Moore than anything else they've ever done with the guy ... which isn't saying shit but Moore simply isn't very good at being sympathetic. I suspect it's a very very short push that they hope by hanging out with midcarders like Holly and A-Train can get him some more face reaction. Also, it's a main event gate check. The guy's father recently died while he took almost no time off to deal with it. I imagine this one-time main event is Vince's way of saying "Thank you for putting aside your dying relatives to be jobbed out in our stupid carny sport." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Wait a minute when did Moore's dad die? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 And if you expected any better out of WWE, you are what, class? "A fucking idiot!" That is correct. --Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 ...all I know is that TNA better deliver this week... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Fuck, Raw and SmackDown had better get better next week, because I will be seeing them for the first time in 3 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Just something for you people to think about when thinking about Benoit being pushed down the card to face the FBI, when we THOUGHT he'd be going for the WWE Title... Back in late 1993/early 1994: Look how Bret Hart was treated before his WrestleMania title win. Felt like reposting this since no one commented on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Since when does Vince show up just for dumb comedy angles with midcarders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Since when does Vince show up just for dumb comedy angles with midcarders? Zach Gowan. At least, I HOPE that was comedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted December 18, 2003 Eh, I'm no Holly fan but he;s good in the ring, decent on the mic, the storyline's been entertaining and it's about damn time thy tried someone new in the ME ranks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites