2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Crippler is not winning at RR, Angle is winning at RR. And why does that make sense? Because Triple H insulted Angle on air a few months ago, giving them a storyline to build around. Plus they can just play up the history of the two men. And Angle, since his neck isn't in the best of shape and RAW is dying, can come to RAW after defeating the Game at Wrestlemania. Problem solved. Crippler and Cena can take on Orton and Flair or something to that line of thinking. Either way, I'm not ordering Wrestlemania. Too much damn money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Angle isn't winning. How can they trust his body enough to put him in the ME, and then give him a title run after that? Not to mention he seems to be starting something with Eddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Well, if Crippler wins I don't even see why it would matter. I don't trust Triple H in any storyline to make his opponent seem important and I damn sure don't believe he'd put over someone at Wrestlemania in MSG no less. Wait...wasn't there a story about The Rock coming back in January? And why the hell are any of us looking for logic in WWE thinking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Crippler is not winning at RR, Angle is winning at RR. And why does that make sense? Because Triple H insulted Angle on air a few months ago, giving them a storyline to build around. Absolutely not, mainly because there's no way WWE remembers this was on their programming. Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Because Triple H insulted Angle on air a few months ago, giving them a storyline to build around. When was that? Was that the "paper champion" comment, because that was more than a few months ago (I'm thinking during the summer?). That's pretty weak to build around. Crippler and Cena can take on Orton and Flair or something to that line of thinking. In the 2nd match on the card? Wonderful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Not to mention he seems to be starting something with Eddy. Only if God hates me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Not to mention he seems to be starting something with Eddy. Only if God hates me I think this past year has conclusively proven that He does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 3, 2004 ::sigh:: It would almost be funny in a sad way if they did Benoit/Cena vs. Suckbag/Flair second match of the show and Comedy based Angle/Eddy 3rd match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Eddie is going to shock the world and win the Rumble. He is the most over guy on the roster minus Hardcore Holly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Eddie is going to shock the world and win the Rumble. He is the most over guy on the roster minus Hardcore Holly. Of course... Chavo will talk Heyman into giving himself and Eddy a tag title shot on the PPV undercard. Eddy will be injured during the course of the match, have an opening to tag out, but instead put the Lasso From El Paso on one of the Bashams. He'll collapse and the ref will stop the match, afer which Chavo kicks Eddy's leg out of his leg. Later in the night Eddy limps heroically into the Rumble to fight for his title shot. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Eddie is going to shock the world and win the Rumble. He is the most over guy on the roster minus Hardcore Holly. Is that some kind of joke? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Eddie is going to shock the world and win the Rumble. He is the most over guy on the roster minus Hardcore Holly. Of course... Chavo will talk Heyman into giving himself and Eddy a tag title shot on the PPV undercard. Eddy will be injured during the course of the match, have an opening to tag out, but instead put the Lasso From El Paso on one of the Bashams. He'll collapse and the ref will stop the match, afer which Chavo kicks Eddy's leg out of his leg. Later in the night Eddy limps heroically into the Rumble to fight for his title shot. And lasts until the very end, only to be eliminated at the same time as Albert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Actually, isn't Benoit playing Luger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 They've pretty much got three options for the WWE Title at WM: 1) Go title vs. title with the World Title from Raw: It might be tough to do storyline-wise with the winner of the Rumble needing to be in the main event and all, but they could always have the winner of the Rumble say he's going over to the other brand, only to be challenged by the champion of the current brand at No Way Out. For example, Goldberg could win the Rumble, and put his Mania shot at Brock on the line against HHH's title at No Way Out. This seems to be the best way to give Mania a big event feel, but will cause storyline troubles down the road if they really do unify the two titles. 2) Simply have Goldberg go to Smackdown: Face it, either way Goldberg/Brock has an epic big match feel that makes it worthy of WM main event status. It might not be ideal in terms of ring work, but it will draw buyrate, and help the fans realize that this is more than just another PPV. 3) Have the WWE Title match go on as the third or fourth last match on the card: Out of the current people on Smackdown, (Benoit, Cena, Angle, Edge), there just isn't any standout match that can have the epic feel required for a WM XX match. It would have to go behind not just an Austin/Goldberg or HHH/HBK or Austin/Hogan or HHH/Rock main event, but also lower matches such as Foley/Orton. Out of these options, I think that the first is the best. They've already used up their major stars and the matches between them. The only ace they have up their sleeve, that they can use to promote the "biggest PPV of all time" is a title vs. title match between the champions of their two brands. Otherwise, they're gonna have to count on Austin/Goldberg or the pure matchup of Brock/Goldberg to sell the PPV. Failing any of these, they're going to end up with a Mania weaker than last year's show, and the "biggest Wrestlemania of all time" is gonna be remembered as the biggest failure of all time, drawing at about the level of an average Summerslam or Survivor Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Doesn't Goldberg going to Smackdown send the wrong message, though? Goldberg already lost his title to HHH and was... ahem... "deactivated" by Bischoff. Jumping to the other brand with his tail between his legs may be something that a Matt Hardy can do, but not someone like Bill Goldberg, whose character demands that he be invincible at all times. It's like "he knows he can't overcome Bischoff and beat HHH again, so he's trying for Brock now". That, combined with Brock being scared of a jobber, doesn't scream out 'dream match' to me beyond the visual level, which can only go so far. Oh, and I have this feeling it's going to be Angle winning the Rumble and challenging HHH, but I'm not getting into that part of the discussion. P.S. While on the subject of 'dream matches', now that 2003 is over, where, oh where, did that Goldberg/Kane feud (that was supposed to rule even before it began) go? Anyone want to field this one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 4, 2004 It might not be ideal in terms of ring work, but it will draw buyrate, Based on those buyrates FGB can't get plus the buyrates Brock can't get? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Eddie is going to shock the world and win the Rumble. He is the most over guy on the roster minus Hardcore Holly. Is that some kind of joke? Its gonna happen. I can feel it in my guts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Eddie is going to shock the world and win the Rumble. He is the most over guy on the roster minus Hardcore Holly. Is that some kind of joke? Its gonna happen. I can feel it in my guts. You called Bob Holly the most over guy on the roster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Doesn't Goldberg going to Smackdown send the wrong message, though? Goldberg already lost his title to HHH and was... ahem... "deactivated" by Bischoff. Jumping to the other brand with his tail between his legs may be something that a Matt Hardy can do, but not someone like Bill Goldberg, whose character demands that he be invincible at all times. It's like "he knows he can't overcome Bischoff and beat HHH again, so he's trying for Brock now". That, combined with Brock being scared of a jobber, doesn't scream out 'dream match' to me beyond the visual level, which can only go so far. That's why the best way to do it would be for Goldberg to win the Royal Rumble and announce that he's already won the World Title on Raw and to really validate his career, he wants to see if he can win the WWE Title by beating Brock. Then, if they really want to go all out to make WM XX seem important, HHH can challenge Goldberg at No Way Out, putting his title against Goldberg's shot at Mania. Then Goldberg and Brock could fight title vs. title in a match to see who the real best wrestler in the WWE is. However, even if someone else wins the Rumble, Goldberg wouldn't look weak by jumping to Smackdown. He could just say that he beat HHH twice and he doesn't have anything to prove to the Raw roster. He wants a chance to hold the real WWE Title. And as for what Anglesault said, Goldberg and Brock aren't going to draw buyrates on their own against weak competition, but if they have a good feud built between them, their match would have an epic feel that would be missing with the other competitors on the Smackdon roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Doesn't Goldberg going to Smackdown send the wrong message, though? Goldberg already lost his title to HHH and was... ahem... "deactivated" by Bischoff. Jumping to the other brand with his tail between his legs may be something that a Matt Hardy can do, but not someone like Bill Goldberg, whose character demands that he be invincible at all times. It's like "he knows he can't overcome Bischoff and beat HHH again, so he's trying for Brock now". That, combined with Brock being scared of a jobber, doesn't scream out 'dream match' to me beyond the visual level, which can only go so far. That's why the best way to do it would be for Goldberg to win the Royal Rumble and announce that he's already won the World Title on Raw and to really validate his career, he wants to see if he can win the WWE Title by beating Brock. Then, if they really want to go all out to make WM XX seem important, HHH can challenge Goldberg at No Way Out, putting his title against Goldberg's shot at Mania. Then Goldberg and Brock could fight title vs. title in a match to see who the real best wrestler in the WWE is. However, even if someone else wins the Rumble, Goldberg wouldn't look weak by jumping to Smackdown. He could just say that he beat HHH twice and he doesn't have anything to prove to the Raw roster. He wants a chance to hold the real WWE Title. And as for what Anglesault said, Goldberg and Brock aren't going to draw buyrates on their own against weak competition, but if they have a good feud built between them, their match would have an epic feel that would be missing with the other competitors on the Smackdon roster. I respect that you want an epic feel and all, and want the main event to be a dream match, but I'm not convinced. Goldberg and Rock was an 'epic' match, and it didn't draw. I don't know how convinced I am that Brock/Goldberg could be considered an epic match, nevermind a high-drawing match. For me, there are two ways I look at a Goldberg/Brock match: either (1) Goldberg vs. Goldberg-the heel version or (2) two guys feuding that don't really have a reason to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted January 4, 2004 That's why the best way to do it would be for Goldberg to win the Royal Rumble and announce that he's already won the World Title on Raw and to really validate his career, he wants to see if he can win the WWE Title by beating Brock. Fair enough but I don't see that happening, not with the rumors that actually started this thread. However, even if someone else wins the Rumble, Goldberg wouldn't look weak by jumping to Smackdown. He could just say that he beat HHH twice and he doesn't have anything to prove to the Raw roster. He wants a chance to hold the real WWE Title. Him saying he doesn't have anything else to prove would be a really weak explanation, especially if he doesn't win the Rumble, in order to try and cover the fact that he couldn't cut the mustard on RAW and then again on PPV. Not for an 'epic match' on one of the most important PPVs in history. And do you really think they'll let him say that the WWE Title is the "real" title? What was he doing mucking around with HHH for all those months then? Or anyone else for that matter? I just don't see WWE letting Goldberg (as a face) going on Smackdown and trashing the RAW title and it being effective on selling PPVs. It makes him, among many others, look foolish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 4, 2004 And as for what Anglesault said, Goldberg and Brock aren't going to draw buyrates on their own against weak competition, Like the Rock? I don't remember how Summerslam 02 did, but Backlash bombed But that's because Rock is weak competition? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Then, if they really want to go all out to make WM XX seem important, HHH can challenge Goldberg at No Way Out, putting his title against Goldberg's shot at Mania. No Way Out is a SD PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reshad974 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Ok, you asked why people are going crazy. Part of *my* reason is that because I don't see the WCW title as being equal. I would venture to say that I'm not alone in this regard. Fuck "most people" you wanted to know why the people here were going crazy.[/b] the title HHH is holding is not the WCW title, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Besus Report post Posted January 4, 2004 ^Yep http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5&category=2902 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTID 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Personally, i'm fed up of the tired: "evil authority figure bans popular wrestler with lifelong dream of becoming world champion from ever getting a title shot, but popular wrestler enters Royal Rumble and overcomes the odds, winning the rumble and going to WrestleMania to finally fulfill his dreams" ...and would like to see a fresh, modified and updated... "evil authority figure bans popular wrestler with lifelong dream of becoming world champion from ever getting a title shot, so popular wrestler accepts his punishment, gives up his lifelong dream and instead pursuing a lesser title" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Personally, i'm fed up of the tired: "evil authority figure bans popular wrestler with lifelong dream of becoming world champion from ever getting a title shot, but popular wrestler enters Royal Rumble and overcomes the odds, winning the rumble and going to WrestleMania to finally fulfill his dreams" ...and would like to see a fresh, modified and updated... "evil authority figure bans popular wrestler with lifelong dream of becoming world champion from ever getting a title shot, so popular wrestler accepts his punishment, gives up his lifelong dream and instead pursuing a lesser title" Which he loses after the big roid guy tells him he's not in his league and proceeds to prove he's not in his league while spitting water on him and shipping him back to face the FBI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 4, 2004 (edited) ...and would like to see a fresh, modified and updated... "evil authority figure bans popular wrestler with lifelong dream of becoming world champion from ever getting a title shot, so popular wrestler accepts his punishment, gives up his lifelong dream and instead pursuing a lesser title" I thought that was called "Raw over the last year and a half." Well, replace evil authority decree with HHH in general. Edited January 5, 2004 by Anglesault Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 the title HHH is holding is not the WCW title, period. Gosh, it looks so similar - are you sure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PowerPB13 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 How about this... They'll screw it up. They always screw it up. End of story. -Patrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
