From RandyOrton.net about Raw match....

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I'm surprised they would have the match go the full length with that happening. I'd expect them to cut it short, or make it an impromptu tag match.

Someone said that during the break an official went down to the ring and talked to Orton and wiped the blood of his head. My guess is that if it had been deemed necessary they would have done something coming back from the break.

[Guest JMA]

Props to RVD, and to Orton for giving him the props. I remember seeing RVD talking to Orton after a turnbuckle spot.

[TheBostonStrangler 0]

I'd peg that match at about **1/2. I enjoyed it (perfectly acceptable wrestling), even if it wasn't a technical marvel. With the exception of the bodyscissors, there was some decent psych in the match as well, with Randy working over the neck (seemingly setting up the RKO), then taking what he was given and hitting a top-rope DDT (on RVD's injured neck) to finish it off. It makes Orton look good and smart in the ring, gives him a clean win without his finisher, and puts him over. I'm starting to become an Orton fan (he needs a little work, but I can see him making definite progress).

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I'm replying to the first couple posts as I've skipped the rest and don't know if it's been noted...but Eddie Guerrero said that RVD had to call their ladder match on RAW too.

 

I can see RVD calling a match with Orton since RVD has been in the ring so many more years...but I remember Eddie saying that he was shaken after the fan ran in and RVD had to take over, which included improvising the finish when he couldn't do the frog splash off the ladder.

 

Maybe RVD finds a hidden ability to lead in the ring when his hand is forced.

[humongous2002 0]

The thing is BPS that a lot of people in this forum are blinded by RVD hatred that they refuse to give Rob any credit, last monday's match was ok IMO, it was watchable for an Orton match.Rob made the rookie look good just like he did at Armageddon, these 2 have chemistry. And it shows that Rob could call and even carry a match every now and then with the proper motivation.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Some people need to realise, controlling a match doesn't mean you deserve all the credit. RVD deserves credit for carrying Orton through the match sure. Then again, that's his job as more experienced wrestler in the match.

 

Orton looked good as well, like Dames said. I liked his match with Val on Heat a lot, but to pull out a decent match with that sort of injury still takes some credit on his part.

 

Orton has impressed me recently in the ring. And showing the class to go out and praise RVD for helping him through the match has to be a plus point. Orton could easily have took the credit himself if he wanted. It's nice to see someone be professional, and show kudos to a fellow professional.

 

Both men deserve some kudos...despite what most people on this folder think about them.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Because the hold wasn't rock solid your down on the whole match?

I really didn't enjoy seeing a hold that Rob CLEARLY could have wiggled out of being employed multiple times for good chunks of time so the match could end with a DDT.

I hate this theory so much. Kayfabe-wise, you don't know how you're going to beat your opponent if you manage to get the win. Orton worked on the ribs to gain an advantage, but then he hit the big DDT, and RVD stayed down. Should he have picked him up so he could say "I didn't do all that rib work for nothing!" and try something else?

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

The thing is BPS that a lot of people in this forum are blinded by RVD hatred that they refuse to give Rob any credit

That's funny, because I think the exact opposite is going on.

 

 

 

People hate Orton so much, they refuse to believe that he was in a good match, and even when he is, he had to be carried by RVD.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

People hate Orton so much, they refuse to believe that he was in a good match, and even when he is, he had to be carried by RVD.

Gee...I wonder what gave us that impression...

 

FROM ORTON HIMSELF IN THE FIRST POST:

 

Now I would like to comment on RVDs performance . He is the reason that match was able to go on. We had 20 minutes for that match. 3 minutes after the bell rang, I was in a state were I didnt quite know what was going on. Rob showed what a Ring General he was, by talking me threw the rest of the 17 minutes of that match.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

So the people who initially said RVD didn't care is wrong....

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

No I don't think RVD cares...I truly don't.

 

I just think that certain situations arise (Orton knocked silly, Eddie shaken by the fan run in) that bring out the best in him.

 

As far as day to day...RVD looks extremely unmotivated. He looks like pretty much every other midcarder who's been in the company for over a year.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Yeah that's true.

 

 

On an unrelated note, BPS, that Vladimir Guerrero/Anaheim Angels sig you got is freaky.... can't wait to see him play for my town's team!

[Guest Ghettoman]

If Rob Van Dam carried a totally on worker to **+, then he sucks.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

 

People hate Orton so much, they refuse to believe that he was in a good match, and even when he is, he had to be carried by RVD.

Gee...I wonder what gave us that impression...

 

FROM ORTON HIMSELF IN THE FIRST POST:

 

Now I would like to comment on RVDs performance . He is the reason that match was able to go on. We had 20 minutes for that match. 3 minutes after the bell rang, I was in a state were I didnt quite know what was going on. Rob showed what a Ring General he was, by talking me threw the rest of the 17 minutes of that match.

I understand that. But from watching the match, I have to say, even with Orton dizzy, he still out performed RVD. People don't want to admit that Orton had a good match, and even now that he did, it was ALL RVD.

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention, Orton had a better match on Heat with Val Venis, then with RVD. But no one seems to want to talk about that.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Great. That's great.

 

How about we take Orton's lack of heat and his impressive run of ** matches and push him to the moon.

 

TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!!

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

Not to mention, Orton had a better match on Heat with Val Venis, then with RVD. But no one seems to want to talk about that.

That's because no one hardly watches Heat.

[Guest Ghettoman]

To the moon? You mean go over RVD, get a catch to your exposure and be called the most wasteful push since Goldberg or Brock?

 

Or do you mean, to the moon, like actually to the moon?

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Push Randy to here:

 

 

 

 

 

So I don't have to see him anymore.

[Guest Anglesault]

People don't want to admit that Orton had a good match,

When he does, I will.

 

That was a ** match.

[Guest Ghettoman]

And the Heat match wasn't better, cleaner and free of the typical akward RVD corner transitions, but by no means better. Typical lengthy Heat match.

[Guest Ray]

Great.  That's great.

 

How about we take Orton's lack of heat and his impressive run of ** matches and push him to the moon.

 

TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!!

How much heat did Brock Lesnar have before Summerslam 2002? How many **** matches did Brock have before Summerslam 2002?

 

People bitching about Orton's push are just like the people who bitched about Lesnar's push. Guess where Lesnar is now? An established main-eventer and one of the top five wrestlers in WWE.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Yeah Brock's one of the top five, as he showed last night, hiding behind Big Show and the police from Hardcore Holly.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Yeah Brock's one of the top five, as he showed last night, hiding behind Big Show and the police from Hardcore Holly.

That's a joke....right?

[Highland 0]

That is just the reply we'd expect from a total mark.

The fact is, people are so blinded by Orton-hate that they refuse to acknowledge that he had a decent match with RVD. He also had the balls to say he was carried, but that is used as an excuse to hate on him more. Sad.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Ohhh... I know Brock is the top five wrestler, but he isn't currently being booked that way that it pisses me off.

[Guest Anglesault]

Great.  That's great.

 

How about we take Orton's lack of heat and his impressive run of ** matches and push him to the moon.

 

TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!!

How much heat did Brock Lesnar have before Summerslam 2002? How many **** matches did Brock have before Summerslam 2002?

 

People bitching about Orton's push are just like the people who bitched about Lesnar's push. Guess where Lesnar is now? An established main-eventer and one of the top five wrestlers in WWE.

I counter that with Test.

 

Test is heatless and a sack of shit in the ring, but is almost always guranteed to get an upper midcard push. He's been given more than enough time to get over or improve in the ring and failed.

 

If Randy Orton is the next Brock because you say so, I say he's the next Test.

[NYU 0]

If Rob Van Dam carried a totally on worker to **+, then he sucks.

......what in the hell are you talking about?

 

How could Orton be "totally on" if he was KNOCKED DIZZY!! He wasn't totally on. He LOOKED "totally on" because Van Dam was able to take proper control of the flow of the match. Personally, I thought he just looked average. At this point, Orton had a minor concussion and at some points, probably wasn't even sure what he was doing. RVD, being the ring general, was able to guide Orton through certain spots and the match looked better as a result. And ** is HORRIBLE?! Christ, you must have been raised on ***** Steamboat/Flair, Bret/Owen matches your entire life. **+ is still a pretty decent match!

 

How much heat did Brock Lesnar have before Summerslam 2002? How many **** matches did Brock have before Summerslam 2002?

 

People bitching about Orton's push are just like the people who bitched about Lesnar's push. Guess where Lesnar is now? An established main-eventer and one of the top five wrestlers in WWE.

 

Doesn't change the fact that Brock's push was ENTIRELY undeserved due to his negative heat from April to August. Doesn't change the fact that, just as Brock was terribly unover, so too is Orton. Doesn't change the fact that, just because Brock turned out to be an above average wrestler, so too will Orton. And top five? Eh, I guess it's a matter of opinion.

 

I understand that. But from watching the match, I have to say, even with Orton dizzy, he still out performed RVD. People don't want to admit that Orton had a good match, and even now that he did, it was ALL RVD.

 

Orton said it was all RVD!! Try to understand that!!

[Guest ManKinnd]

Hey AS, I guess you accept my theory then, since you didn't respond...

[Guest Ghettoman]

It's weird, I never knew someone could take control of a match to the point where there attributed to there opponents awesome work on offense, things clearly beyond simple organizing spots.

 

And for some reason I can't remember where Orton said it was all RVD. Usually when it's all one person, there's not another guy in the ring with him.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

How could Orton be "totally on" if he was KNOCKED DIZZY!! He wasn't totally on. He LOOKED "totally on" because Van Dam was able to take proper control of the flow of the match. Personally, I thought he just looked average. At this point, Orton had a minor concussion and at some points, probably wasn't even sure what he was doing. RVD, being the ring general, was able to guide Orton through certain spots and the match looked better as a result. And ** is HORRIBLE?! Christ, you must have been raised on ***** Steamboat/Flair, Bret/Owen matches your entire life. **+ is still a pretty decent match!

 

Hey, remember, EVERYTHING is Orton's fault. Orton can't to anything right because the people on TSM said so. It's a fact. Either that, or there is a HUGE 'Hate Orton' bandwagon and people just wanna join.

 

People call 'marks' stupid, but at least marks can see through this type of bullshit.