American Idol 3

[Ripper 0]

But because Fantasia won, you say that it was because America listened to who the Judges were pushing?

For me, there's only one judge whose opinion means anything - Simon. Since he's going to manage the winner, he has a vested interest in who comes out on top. From her first semifinal performance, he openly pushed for Fantasia to win. He's never really wavered from that and while I don't think that that was a giant factor in Fantasia winning, I DO think that it played a role in why she was in the final 2 and not Jennifer or LaToya.

The only flaw in that reasoning is that Simon called Fantasias performances leading up to Latoya and Jennifers ousting Okay, and plain called some of them not so good, while he called Latoyas and Jennifers both great.

 

I think that a great role in Fantasia being there instead of the other two was that she was better than them, but thats my opinon. I just find it ridiculous that people are critisizing he judges for JUDGEING the performances. Not saying you in particular, but they did their jobs.

[starvenger 0]

I think that a great role in Fantasia being there instead of the other two was that she was better than them, but thats my opinon. I just find it ridiculous that people are critisizing he judges for JUDGEING the performances. Not saying you in particular, but they did their jobs.

No, I know that. I've been vocal about the judges (Randy and Paula in particular) telling America that they've voted "wrong" (this isn't an exam - you can choose poorly, but you can't choose wrong), and maybe Paula should actually try being a bit more critical instead of playing "good cop", but overall they've done what they're supposed to do.

 

Seriously though - either replace Paula with a mannequin, or get another critical judge in there...

[Ripper 0]

I think that a great role in Fantasia being there instead of the other two was that she was better than them, but thats my opinon.  I just find it ridiculous that people are critisizing he judges for JUDGEING the performances.  Not saying you in particular, but they did their jobs.

No, I know that. I've been vocal about the judges (Randy and Paula in particular) telling America that they've voted "wrong" (this isn't an exam - you can choose poorly, but you can't choose wrong), and maybe Paula should actually try being a bit more critical instead of playing "good cop", but overall they've done what they're supposed to do.

 

Seriously though - either replace Paula with a mannequin, or get another critical judge in there...

Well, the first year she liked everyone, the second she probably critisized once or twice really, and this year especially in the tryouts, she wasn't afraid to tell people they sucked. Maybe next year she will be plain evil.

 

Randy has become more and more critical as the years have gone on too.

[Damaramu 0]

It wouldn't be so bad if you couldn't tell the judges played favorites.

Like Leah Labelle. She wasn't very good and that Susie Vucca(i think that was her last name) was a better singer than her but you could tell that Paula was pushing for her and then to nobody's shock she put her in the finals.

And you could tell with the judging they were trying to influence the vote. If they had just criticised people that's fine. But they were just outright tearing some people down in hopes that America wouldn't vote for that person. And then just outright worshipping others so they would get votes. It'd be fine if they weren't trying to influence the votes, but they were and that's where it got wrong.

 

Oh and I can't wait until Fantasia gets her first bad review from a music critic. "I seeee that Meester Annnderson gave me a bad review! Well Awwwmerica liked it so you can go to hell you god damn son of a bitch! I am so good!"

[Black Lushus 0]

I think that a great role in Fantasia being there instead of the other two was that she was better than them, but thats my opinon.  I just find it ridiculous that people are critisizing he judges for JUDGEING the performances.  Not saying you in particular, but they did their jobs.

No, I know that. I've been vocal about the judges (Randy and Paula in particular) telling America that they've voted "wrong" (this isn't an exam - you can choose poorly, but you can't choose wrong), and maybe Paula should actually try being a bit more critical instead of playing "good cop", but overall they've done what they're supposed to do.

 

Seriously though - either replace Paula with a mannequin, or get another critical judge in there...

Well, the first year she liked everyone, the second she probably critisized once or twice really, and this year especially in the tryouts, she wasn't afraid to tell people they sucked. Maybe next year she will be plain evil.

 

Randy has become more and more critical as the years have gone on too.

I suppose 3 years of listening to horrible and sub-par singing will eventually make you a sour person! you could tell during auditions they were all tired of the bullshit and wanted to cut to the chase!

[Ripper 0]

It wouldn't be so bad if you couldn't tell the judges played favorites.

Like Leah Labelle. She wasn't very good and that Susie Vucca(i think that was her last name) was a better singer than her but you could tell that Paula was pushing for her and then to nobody's shock she put her in the finals.

And you could tell with the judging they were trying to influence the vote. If they had just criticised people that's fine. But they were just outright tearing some people down in hopes that America wouldn't vote for that person. And then just outright worshipping others so they would get votes. It'd be fine if they weren't trying to influence the votes, but they were and that's where it got wrong.

 

Oh and I can't wait until Fantasia gets her first bad review from a music critic. "I seeee that Meester Annnderson gave me a bad review! Well Awwwmerica liked it so you can go to hell you god damn son of a bitch! I am so good!"

Because you couldn't go a week without her saying that.

 

You still just sound like you are griping about judges doing what they are supposed to. When they sounded bad, they told them so. When they sounded good, most of the time they told them so. If they felt someone gave a great performace, they said so.

 

Their jobs are to state their opinions on a persons performance. Thats what they did. And america obviously paid it no attention.

[Damaramu 0]

It wouldn't be so bad if you couldn't tell the judges played favorites.

Like Leah Labelle. She wasn't very good and that Susie Vucca(i think that was her last name) was a better singer than her but you could tell that Paula was pushing for her and then to nobody's shock she put her in the finals.

And you could tell with the judging they were trying to influence the vote. If they had just criticised people that's fine. But they were just outright tearing some people down in hopes that America wouldn't vote for that person. And then just outright worshipping others so they would get votes. It'd be fine if they weren't trying to influence the votes, but they were and that's where it got wrong.

 

Oh and I can't wait until Fantasia gets her first bad review from a music critic. "I seeee that Meester Annnderson gave me a bad review! Well Awwwmerica liked it so you can go to hell you god damn son of a bitch! I am so good!"

Because you couldn't go a week without her saying that.

 

You still just sound like you are griping about judges doing what they are supposed to. When they sounded bad, they told them so. When they sounded good, most of the time they told them so. If they felt someone gave a great performace, they said so.

 

Their jobs are to state their opinions on a persons performance. Thats what they did. And america obviously paid it no attention.

The judges can state there opinion on the performance fine.

 

They can't try to influence the vote and openly rip someone to shreds for the sole purpose of getting rid of them. Yes they can critisize someone but with Jasmine and sometimes John they were just flat out trying to say "This person sucks stop voting for them you morons." and with Fantasia the love and praise was so sickening it was going from "Good job you're a great singer" to "You're the best! Nobody is better! Vote for Fantasia assholes!"

 

Oh well it's not like the winner always has the biggest career anyways. Clay's a bigger star than Reuben now and I expect Latoya to be a bigger star than Fantasia.

[Ripper 0]

You are only saying that because you didn't like Fantasia.

 

Look at nights like country night, or Latin night, or plenty of others when they gave Fantasia bad reviews for her perfomances.

 

They were calling John stevens performances okay, a little boring. OOOHHHH. way to rip in to him. Jasmine...they gave her good reviews for mediocre performances alot of weeks. If you actually look at the comments you will see how far off base you are.

 

oh, and

 

Clay - 3 million records sold...pop album.

 

Ruben - 2 million record sold...R&B album.

 

People keep acting like Clay sold a trillion billion albums and Ruben sold 2.

 

Clay released an album in a genre that usually outsells every other. I am suprised he didn't sell more. Rubens 2 million on a R&B album is very impressive.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

What the hell do you have against Fantasia?

[Damaramu 0]

I already told you what I have against Fantasia.

 

-I don't like her singing.

 

-I don't like her personality.

 

-I don't like the fact that she can't take criticism.

 

-And I didn't like the lovefest that went on for her.

[starvenger 0]

They were calling John stevens performances okay, a little boring. OOOHHHH. way to rip in to him. Jasmine...they gave her good reviews for mediocre performances alot of weeks. If you actually look at the comments you will see how far off base you are.

Well during the final four Simon basically said "pack your bags and head back to your island paradise, you poor, poor girl, because Hawaiians don't have enough phones to save you". Or something like that. That was probably the only time where he outright said that Jasmine should go home.

 

John Stevens was a special case - nothing the judges could do or say would really discourage people from voting for him. I think that the producers knew that eventually he'd go, and it was just a matter of time before it happened.

 

And if it weren't for John, Television Without Pity never could've written this:

 

When we return, it's time for John Stevens. In his clip show, we're told that John never showed up for his rehearsals and was found on the men's room floor at "4 Play" in Los Angeles, having passed out in his own vomit. They managed to rouse him, and after a brief struggle during which he bit a production assistant on the leg, they managed to get him over to the methadone clinic before returning to the studio. He complains that he's hung over, and if "this Byrd bitch" doesn't shut up about singing with confidence, he's going "smack her one upside the head." Then he tells us Randy can kiss his "white ass," and knocks the camera away. As it falls to the ground, we hear John order some woman to get him a bottle of Jack Daniel's or he'll "beat [her] so hard, [her] baby will be born with a black eye." Also, he has selected "Music of My Heart" for his song and has dedicated it to his grandmother and he hopes he does a good job.

 

Ryan reminds us that Gloria originally sang this song with *NSync to make this show feel a little less dated, before introducing John to the stage. John stomps out in a dirty white T-shirt and black jeans, grabs a microphone stand, and starts shrieking out the words in a crazy, angry slur. He throws a water bottle at one of the guitarists from Miami Sound Machine. He drops his pants and grabs his crotch. He shouts "Fuck off!" at Pavlov's Dawgs. He jumps on the judges' table and tries to kick Randy in the head. Security drags him off.

 

...

 

Judges. Randy chuckles. He knows it sucked. John knows it sucked. Everybody knows it sucked. Randy compliments John's shoes, then tells him the performance was "horrendous." John calls Randy a steaming sack of pus and threatens to stab him. Gloria is also wearing dream-catcher earrings. I didn't notice that before. She says John did his grandmother proud. Paula says that John made a "valiant effort" and she's "proud of him," which means he's got her non-bandaged fingers crossed in the hopes that the voters get rid of him. Simon says that one of the reasons John has done so well in the competition is because he's taken every "bullet thrown at [him] like a man." Well, it's easy to deal with bullets that are thrown at you. It's the ones that come out of guns you need to worry about. He continues on that John and Latin music go together "like chocolate ice cream and an onion." Here is a man who has clearly never watched Iron Chef. The audience laughs at the joke (they're not Pavlov's Dawgs here, because they were probably supposed to boo). Simon tells John that he has absolutely nothing to feel guilty about, and wishes him good luck. Ryan comes out and gives John's numbers. John punches Ryan in the neck and pushes him off the stage.

I'm sorry, I just found it hilarious, juxtaposing John, Sinatra and possibly Sid Vicious (the singer, not the wrestler)...

[Exslade ZX 0]

It wouldn't be so bad if you couldn't tell the judges played favorites.

Like Leah Labelle. She wasn't very good and that Susie Vucca(i think that was her last name) was a better singer than her but you could tell that Paula was pushing for her and then to nobody's shock she put her in the finals.

And you could tell with the judging they were trying to influence the vote. If they had just criticised people that's fine. But they were just outright tearing some people down in hopes that America wouldn't vote for that person. And then just outright worshipping others so they would get votes. It'd be fine if they weren't trying to influence the votes, but they were and that's where it got wrong.

 

Oh and I can't wait until Fantasia gets her first bad review from a music critic. "I seeee that Meester Annnderson gave me a bad review! Well Awwwmerica liked it so you can go to hell you god damn son of a bitch! I am so good!"

Because you couldn't go a week without her saying that.

 

You still just sound like you are griping about judges doing what they are supposed to. When they sounded bad, they told them so. When they sounded good, most of the time they told them so. If they felt someone gave a great performace, they said so.

 

Their jobs are to state their opinions on a persons performance. Thats what they did. And america obviously paid it no attention.

The judges can state there opinion on the performance fine.

 

They can't try to influence the vote and openly rip someone to shreds for the sole purpose of getting rid of them. Yes they can critisize someone but with Jasmine and sometimes John they were just flat out trying to say "This person sucks stop voting for them you morons." and with Fantasia the love and praise was so sickening it was going from "Good job you're a great singer" to "You're the best! Nobody is better! Vote for Fantasia assholes!"

 

Oh well it's not like the winner always has the biggest career anyways. Clay's a bigger star than Reuben now and I expect Latoya to be a bigger star than Fantasia.

But, from the way you're putting it...you're saying the judges can criticize the performer, but they can't outright influence teh vote? Ok, let's say they think that a performance sucks. So all of them say...

 

It sucks.

 

That's them criticizing, but then you, or maybe not you but someone will say, that's 'influencing' the votes. No it's not they're asying it sucks. And that's not any worse then, 'pack your bags and go home' which as we saw would usually get that person more votes...sympathy votes I suppose.

 

And I still really don't see how you can criticize anyone's personality on the show, considering even if you watched every episode, you only saw the person for an hour and 30 minutes every week. And not even that long because the show was never focused on one person.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm talking about her inability to take criticism. If that's indictive of her personality then she's got a real problem.

 

I don't like the bitch. I don't like her singing. I hate her singing. I don't like her attitude and I don't like listening to her not be able to take criticism.

The way I feel isn't going to change no matter what you say about her. I've formulated my opinion on her through watching the show and I don't like her.

[Mik 0]

According to imdb.com, Fantasia only won by something really small, like 2-3% of the vote.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Damaramu, is this going to happen with every reality show you watch?

[ant_7000 0]

I'm talking about her inability to take criticism. If that's indictive of her personality then she's got a real problem.

 

I don't like the bitch. I don't like her singing. I hate her singing. I don't like her attitude and I don't like listening to her not be able to take criticism.

The way I feel isn't going to change no matter what you say about her. I've formulated my opinion on her through watching the show and I don't like her.

Ok, what did Fantasia say or do to piss you off? When they do criticize her, Fantasia usually takes it in stride. When Simon said she sound like Donald Duck after a performance she responded "People say I sound more like Bugs Bunny." Oh yeah thats real sassy. *Rolls eyes* I don't have problem with Fantasia, and I think she'll outsell any Idol and have long career than any Idol when its said and done. Btw, Like how she's trying to get the "Bo Bo" dance over.

[Damaramu 0]

Damaramu, is this going to happen with every reality show you watch?

Yes because I always get behind the underdog and long shot to win dammit!

Happens in sports to.

[starvenger 0]

Damaramu, is this going to happen with every reality show you watch?

Yes because I always get behind the underdog and long shot to win dammit!

Happens in sports to.

But to Fantasia's credit, at least you could say she earned her title, unlike a certain reality TV contestant who whined, moaned and complained (and then did it some more) every time she was on camera, essentially QUIT, and yet through the sheer will and determination of her partner, STILL won.

 

Yes, I'm still bitter about her winning The Amazing Race 3. If you don't know who I'm talking about, consider yourselves lucky...

[Jericholic82 0]

I expect Diana to outsell fantasia, because lately the scene has been domintaed by r and b and hip hop/rap. the pop craze has simmered down alot. It may take one person with the right image to bring it back to fruition. that could be diana because, 1 she is only 16, 2. she isnt coompletely fake 3. she has more of a girl next door thing then most of the pop stars out there . she'd be like jessica simpson, with actual sining talent (now dont hate me on this, but I'm not impressed by her singing or her phony image.)

 

and I think Ruben is doing so poorly because he's nothing original and his songs all seem to sound alike, plus there are so many talented r and b singers out there its hard to break ground.

 

 

 

 

buy hey, who am I ? just some regular joe schmo with a net connection

 

best we listen to the judges right?

 

good luck to the idol finalists, cuz they may need it.

[justsoyouknow 0]

I just hope that Fantasia has a body double for her music video...or that it'll be animated.

 

On another note: John sang his one line in the final very nicely.

[Exslade ZX 0]

and I think Ruben is doing so poorly because he's nothing original and his songs all seem to sound alike, plus there are so many talented r and b singers out there its hard to break ground.

And I still don't see where people are getting this from. Ripper even gave a perfectly good explination at the top.

 

When you think about it 'technically' it was Ruben who did well. Possibly even better in a sense. Seeing as the show is a 'pop show' as so many people put...and quite frankly more teenage girls or pop fans watch the show. So when Ruben went on to do what he did best which is sing a genre that wasn't even portrayed much in the show. What do you expect? For him to sell millions upon millions of records. In other words, he sold his CD to a bunch of people that don't even watch the show...so I really don't considedr that being that bad.

[Jericholic82 0]

good points, like I said I'm not an expert, I don't pay that much attention to the details. sorry if I offended anyone.

 

 

thanks for responding to my post though.

[ant_7000 0]

Ruben selling 2 million units for a debut is good for an R&B artist. Hell, Ruben will outsell Michael Jackson's last album (2 mil) eventually.