Guest Ghettoman Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, then admits he was wrong, then after the SD rumble, with Eddie beating Angle, Angle goes delusional heel and goes back to thinking Eddies being selfish, but this time Eddie doesn't buy it and we have a fued. Wala.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, But why does Kurt care?
Fökai Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 But why does Kurt care? So you completely ignored the promo Angle gave on 01.01.04? It provides the complete explanation for why Angle would care so much about patching up Eddy and Chavo's disintegrating relationship.
Guest Ghettoman Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Because he thought Los Guerrero's was one of the greatest tag teams ever, and couldn't stand to see them split up. Weak yes, but it can work considering people will be more interesed in the sudden heel turn and match they'll have. It's the WWE baby! Love it or leave it.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 No, I don't recall him saying that he wanted to get involved in the family relations of two guys that have nothing to do with him.
Fökai Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Because he thought Los Guerrero's was one of the greatest tag teams ever, and couldn't stand to see them split up. Weak yes, but it can work considering people will be more interesed in the sudden heel turn and match they'll have. They're also related.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Because he thought Los Guerrero's was one of the greatest tag teams ever, and couldn't stand to see them split up. Weak yes, but it can work considering people will be more interesed in the sudden heel turn and match they'll have. They're also related. TO KURT????
Fökai Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Because he thought Los Guerrero's was one of the greatest tag teams ever, and couldn't stand to see them split up. Weak yes, but it can work considering people will be more interesed in the sudden heel turn and match they'll have. They're also related. TO KURT???? ? He's trying to say that Angle sticking his nose in the Guerreros' business because "he likes the 'Los Guerreros' tag team" is a weak reason to do so, when in fact he did these things simply because the Guerreros are related.
Fökai Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 No, I don't recall him saying that he wanted to get involved in the family relations of two guys that have nothing to do with him. From JHAWK's Smackdown recap... And My Olympic Hero makes his return to SmackDown! And after spending some time with his family, he's glad to be back. He felt a sense of pride last week, and that pride brought him here tonight to thank the troops. A letter would have sufficed, Kurt. Angle was there about three weeks ago, and it was the opportunity of a lifetime. There they were, ordinary people fighting for our freedom. He was proud to be an American. One young man in particular has been there for over a year, and his daughter was born six weeks after he went over. And all he wanted was to live long enough to see daughter one time. But every day he was there, he couldn't be with his family. Angle's actually tearing up as he tells the story. And when he finally gets the chance to see his daughter, he'll be a mere acquaintance to her. Angle has a daughter himself, and he can't imagine spending a year or longer away from her. But that's what our soldiers do, and sometimes Angle wishes he could be one of them. But he's not a soldier. He's a wrestler. So instead of kicking ass in Iraq, he can kick ass in the ring. He throws his name into the hat of Royal Rumble participants and vows to win it. But it's not for himself. It's for the soldiers. He thanks the soldiers one more time. So this doesn't explain why Angle wouldn't at least TRY to help the Guerreros patch things up, especially since they're all close friends (even in kayfabe)?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 And My Olympic Hero makes his return to SmackDown! And after spending some time with his family, he's glad to be back. He felt a sense of pride last week, and that pride brought him here tonight to thank the troops. A letter would have sufficed, Kurt. Angle was there about three weeks ago, and it was the opportunity of a lifetime. There they were, ordinary people fighting for our freedom. He was proud to be an American. One young man in particular has been there for over a year, and his daughter was born six weeks after he went over. And all he wanted was to live long enough to see daughter one time. But every day he was there, he couldn't be with his family. Angle's actually tearing up as he tells the story. And when he finally gets the chance to see his daughter, he'll be a mere acquaintance to her. Angle has a daughter himself, and he can't imagine spending a year or longer away from her. But that's what our soldiers do, and sometimes Angle wishes he could be one of them. But he's not a soldier. He's a wrestler. So instead of kicking ass in Iraq, he can kick ass in the ring. He throws his name into the hat of Royal Rumble participants and vows to win it. But it's not for himself. It's for the soldiers. He thanks the soldiers one more time. So this doesn't explain why Angle wouldn't at least TRY to help the Guerreros patch things up, He wants the Guerreros to patch things up because he can't imagine going to war and not seeing his daughter? especially since they're all close friends (even in kayfabe)? Where, exactly, did you pull that one out of? Angle and Eddy/Chavo haven't had problems in a year, but they were never friends.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 I've noticed a surprising trend in the WWE folder where every thread turns into AngleSault bitching about the Kurt Angle & Eddy Guerrero feud. An actual feud that could produce a series of high quality matches.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 An actual feud that could produce a series of high quality matches. Not could, will. Anyway, I'm sorry, I really do make an effort not to always do this, but I suck at it.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 No, I don't recall him saying that he wanted to get involved in the family relations of two guys that have nothing to do with him. So you completely ignored the promo Angle gave on 01.01.04?
Guest FrigidSoul Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 An actual feud that could produce a series of high quality matches. Not could, will. If they're given 15-20min they will, if they get fucked over and given less time to extend a Lesnar/Goldberg match along with Flair&Batista vs The Dudleys then there's a good chance they only become average matches. I'm hoping for at least 20min matches with them getting 30min at most(I don't think Angle's neck could take more than that)
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 No, I don't recall him saying that he wanted to get involved in the family relations of two guys that have nothing to do with him. So you completely ignored the promo Angle gave on 01.01.04? And?
Guest Ghettoman Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Well Angle has to be sure not to shit on anything Eddie does during the match at the end of it, like he's almost guaranteed to, and the match will be fine. I don't wanna see Eddie work his ass off for the El Paso or work Angle down with multiple verticals and then have him superangle up for a top rope belly to belly, "smartly" followed immediately by the ankle lock.... I can see him kicking a star off that bitch already....
Vyce Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, then admits he was wrong, then after the SD rumble, with Eddie beating Angle, Angle goes delusional heel and goes back to thinking Eddies being selfish, but this time Eddie doesn't buy it and we have a fued. Wala. That's a little convoluted. Why not just go super-simple? Kurt did all he could to keep the Guerreros together. It failed, but he gave it a shot. Then Eddy turns around and eliminates him from the mini-Rumble, thus "taking" Angle's shot at Brock away. How ingratious of him, after all that Angle has done for him! This leads to bitter feelings, which only progress, until we get heel Kurt eager to feud with face Eddy. Booking so simple even Dutch Mantell could get behind it.
Guest Ghettoman Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 I suggested something like it in one of my other posts, wasn't that serious but it works. I think they need to be a little quicker with turning him so the sudden impact of it works and they have enough time to build up something good for Mania. If the World Title does get involved I'd expect Heyman to be interjected some how, which isn't really neccesary when the best way to go is a simple basic fued based on building to one match for the title, let the match do the talking.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, then admits he was wrong, then after the SD rumble, with Eddie beating Angle, Angle goes delusional heel and goes back to thinking Eddies being selfish, but this time Eddie doesn't buy it and we have a fued. Wala. That's a little convoluted. Why not just go super-simple? Kurt did all he could to keep the Guerreros together But WHY? The Guerreros breaking up or saying together would have no effect on Kurt whatsoever.
snuffbox Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, then admits he was wrong, then after the SD rumble, with Eddie beating Angle, Angle goes delusional heel and goes back to thinking Eddies being selfish, but this time Eddie doesn't buy it and we have a fued. Wala. That's a little convoluted. Why not just go super-simple? Kurt did all he could to keep the Guerreros together But WHY? The Guerreros breaking up or saying together would have no effect on Kurt whatsoever. Anglesault...seriously...why do you keep trying to use logic with wwe storylines? Youll only frustrate yourself. Vince and friends have no use for logic, cohesiveness, maintaing any lineage of thought. They feel the fans are all st-st-st-stupid and just like wcw and awa did before them. They feel they are smarter then the people that pay them, and will contunue to see money slip away for it. Your only frustrating yourself Anglesault...logic and wwe dont mix.
Fökai Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, then admits he was wrong, then after the SD rumble, with Eddie beating Angle, Angle goes delusional heel and goes back to thinking Eddies being selfish, but this time Eddie doesn't buy it and we have a fued. Wala. That's a little convoluted. Why not just go super-simple? Kurt did all he could to keep the Guerreros together But WHY? The Guerreros breaking up or saying together would have no effect on Kurt whatsoever. Anglesault...seriously...why do you keep trying to use logic with wwe storylines? Youll only frustrate yourself. Vince and friends have no use for logic, cohesiveness, maintaing any lineage of thought. Have we NOT stated reasons for Kurt's possible heel turn? Not to mention he hasn't even turned YET, so even if you don't agree with the reasoning, there still could be more behind this (such as Eddy cheating to win the WWE title)? They feel they are smarter then the people that pay them, and will contunue to see money slip away for it.
Guest Ghettoman Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Kurt liked the team, he likes doing stuff for the fans, take your pick. This is a pro wrestling federation, what kind of indepth analysis of there inter-personal relationships do you want!?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Sure it does, Kurt gets on Eddie for being selfish about Chavo, then admits he was wrong, then after the SD rumble, with Eddie beating Angle, Angle goes delusional heel and goes back to thinking Eddies being selfish, but this time Eddie doesn't buy it and we have a fued. Wala. That's a little convoluted. Why not just go super-simple? Kurt did all he could to keep the Guerreros together But WHY? The Guerreros breaking up or saying together would have no effect on Kurt whatsoever. Anglesault...seriously...why do you keep trying to use logic with wwe storylines? Youll only frustrate yourself. Vince and friends have no use for logic, cohesiveness, maintaing any lineage of thought. Have we NOT stated reasons for Kurt's possible heel turn? Nothing that makes sense, beause Kurt hs no reason to care enough about Eddie to turn over it. Kurt liked the team Since when?
Guest Ghettoman Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Since he grew to respect them after the many battles they had during the super six days. Because he knew them in the back as hard dedicated workers who really clicked as a team. Because as a WWE team player he feels it would be better for the company if someone tried to patch things up. It's professional wrestling, why do you expect more than simplicity and a basic lack of social reality?
CanadianChick Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Maybe it was because he hated a family to be split over petty reasons like jealousy. After all, during that promo, he said that he saw families unwillingly split. Why would he play family therpist? Why because he is an American, good-doer!
Guest Anglesault Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Not quite sure how one would equate going off to war with a family member betraying another. Since he grew to respect them after the many battles they had during the super six days. Missed that episode. Because he knew them in the back as hard dedicated workers who really clicked as a team. Define in the back.
CanadianChick Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 I'm pretty sure it's the principle of the matter and one simple theme: the tragedy of families being torn apart.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 I wouldn't exactly call going off to war (especially when the guy enlisted) "tearing a family apart."
Fökai Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 I wouldn't exactly call going off to war (especially when the guy enlisted) "tearing a family apart." Judging by this statement, it seems that you have completely glossed over actual logic and instead are grasping for straws to say that a Angle/Guerrero feud is illogical. I still can't see how you missed the seeds being planted into Angle's heel turn, from Eddie ignoring Angle's advice completely with his situation with Chavo, from Angle's frustration from losing to Eddie, and from the possibilty that the "Cheat To Win" mantra will capture Eddie the WWE title.
Secret Agent Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Well, I for one do not look forward to an Angle heel turn. The guy has been a heel for like what, 75% of the time he's been in the WWE? Also... why does it have to be Angle that turns, why not Eddie? The best thing is, out of all the feuds that make no sense at least these two can deliver in the ring.
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