This needs to end.

[Guest Ghettoman]

I mean really, is the only move into a hot tag they teach in OVW and WWE an enziguri!?

 

I mean can anyone remember the last time one wasn't used? It's ridiculous. Yeah, it works, but not to the point where it should be used every time.

 

Argh.

[razazteca 0]

Would you prefer a dropkick or armdrag instead?

[Guest Corino 1000]

Yes I would preffer anything then the basic move set these WWE wrestlers are are using.

[Guest Ghettoman]

At this point I'd take an oompa loompa driver to the outside.

[The Dames 0]

I wouldn't mind seeing an armdrag actually.

 

Imaging a babyface armdragging the heel to his corner, giving him just enough time to make the tag....it would work, especially if that arm was being worked on.

 

Dames

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Pfft... most of the current crop of OVW guys probably couldn't even SPELL "psychology" let alone use it... that is...unless their finisher works the upper chest and they can wear the opponent down with dropkicks.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I want to see the guy turn around and phantom spit on the heel to get him to freak out and let go for a second, allowing the face to get the tag.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I mean really, is the only move into a hot tag they teach in OVW and WWE an enziguri!?

 

I mean can anyone remember the last time one wasn't used? It's ridiculous. Yeah, it works, but not to the point where it should be used every time.

 

Argh.

What's wrong with the hot tag spot?

 

It's the most basic spot in pro wrestling.

[Guest Ghettoman]

It's not the hot tag, it's using the enziguri to get there, every single time.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Pfft... most of the current crop of OVW guys probably couldn't even SPELL "psychology" let alone use it

That really surprises me too, because isn't Jim Cornette in charge of OVW? You would think somebody with his background would be teaching the minor leaguers more. Unless of course he is teaching them these things and Gerwitz/Levesque/Steph/Vince don't want them using it.

[Highland 0]

Ok, the moment an armdrag leads to the hot tag, there would be no END to the bitching that would be going on at this board, even though I do agree that they should quite using the enzigiri as the only move that leads to a hot tag. Use a suplex or even a ddt, neither of those are finishers anymore.

[razazteca 0]

Next question: How should the hot tag be made?

 

1) Dive

2) Stumbling fall

3) Crawling

4) Dazed & Confused

[King Cucaracha 0]

Pfft...  most of the current crop of OVW guys probably couldn't even SPELL "psychology" let alone use it

That really surprises me too, because isn't Jim Cornette in charge of OVW? You would think somebody with his background would be teaching the minor leaguers more. Unless of course he is teaching them these things and Gerwitz/Levesque/Steph/Vince don't want them using it.

It's more that Cornette's a manager. I'm sure he's not an in ring general himself...I guess he's there to improve charisma and presence more than anything else.

[Guest El Satanico]

All of the ways to make the actual tag work well, they just need to use the correct one for the occasion.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

What's wrong with the hot tag spot?

 

It's the most basic spot in pro wrestling.

 

Are you answering your own question here?

 

This is the WWE, the big time, why should guys be doing "basic"? Shouldn't it be more advanced??

[Guest Nater]

I'm a big fan of the Irish Whip reversal Lariat -> Hot tag

[Guest croweater]

As long as the hot tag isn't made with an RVD summersault. It is the most annoying hot tag ever. It achieves nothing.

[snuffbox 0]

maybe they should hire Ricky Morton to teach these kids a thing or two...

[Slickster 0]

What's wrong with the hot tag spot?

 

It's the most basic spot in pro wrestling.

 

Are you answering your own question here?

 

This is the WWE, the big time, why should guys be doing "basic"? Shouldn't it be more advanced??

By basic, he means fundamental, like the collar-and-elbow tieup or the Irish-whip. They're integral parts of making ANY wrestling match work.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

What's wrong with the hot tag spot?

 

It's the most basic spot in pro wrestling.

 

Are you answering your own question here?

 

This is the WWE, the big time, why should guys be doing "basic"? Shouldn't it be more advanced??

Basic, as in it's importance to actual wrestling. And since it's basic, it shouldn't be taught in favor of more advanced spots? That's like saying to someone who's learning math: "You don't need this Multiplication stuff. Here's some complex Algebra try THAT instead."

 

Then again, I guess the opportunity to spout off some halfwitted remark was just too great, huh Rudo?

[Guest Loss]

More advanced isn't necessarily better, and straying from the norm isn't always successful. Wrestling history should make that very apparent.

[k thx 0]

Wrestling history should make that very apparent.

How so?

 

IMHO, wrestling history shows that if the same technique gets used every time, it grows stale.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I'm becoming less and less on board with that too.

 

Wrestling history took place in a time period where the goal was to get people to go see the show live in their hometown the one or two times a year they came around.

 

The business model has changed drastically. The WWE has what...6 hours of new wrestling a week? Plus a 3 hour ppv every month? That's *does math* over a full DAY out of the month that wrestling matches from this one company hit the air. Things can get stale REAL fast. Especially the same old same old.

[Guest Brian]

Which is why things need to be milked when they're hot.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Basic, as in it's importance to actual wrestling. And since it's basic, it shouldn't be taught in favor of more advanced spots? That's like saying to someone who's learning math: "You don't need this Multiplication stuff. Here's some complex Algebra try THAT instead."

 

Where did I say that the basics shouldn't be taught? All I'm saying is that in University, they shouldn't just be doing 1+1. Big Leagues. WWE. Basics can be done and learned in OVW. By the time you get up to National Television you should be well beyond the basics.

 

Then again, I guess the opportunity to spout off some halfwitted remark was just too great, huh Rudo?

 

Just like putting words in my mouth?

 

More advanced isn't necessarily better, and straying from the norm isn't always successful. Wrestling history should make that very apparent.

 

Advanced shows better skill. Better skill shows effort and discipline. Advanced is better. If you know more than one way to escape a hold then your matches won't be repetitive; if you can DO more in the ring, then your matches will be more interesting. Advanced is better.

[Guest Corino 1000]

I agree with you Rudo. As I said earlier WWE is using a basic move-set. The same moves every friggin match. I would like to see more advanced moves in WWE not the smae stuff every match.

[Guest croweater]

Advanced is deffinately better because all the current WWE newcomers who are billed as "BIG Superstars" have the same movesets and hence their matches aren't at all interesting. However I don't think that they are talented enough to "advance" their movesets.