First image from Mortal Kombat Deception!

[AndrewTS 0]

Well I never liked the selectable bosses. It just didn't seem right.

Why not? I have no problem with bosses being selectable if they're meant to be playable. Take a look at Jedah in Darkstalkers 3. Playable boss, but fights as fair as you can get in a fighting game.

 

In MK, we have bullshit like bosses that:

 

use projectiles that practically kill you in a couple hits.

 

snatch you out of the air and slam you and do way too much damage.

 

centaur things that warp from from one side of the screen to the other kicking you back and forth to himself

 

a guy who cannot be knocked down 99% of the time, can shoulder ram the crap out of you over and over in the corner until he kills you with chipping damage

 

I heard the DA bosses were even worse...

 

If it forces you to make a decent, only mildly cheap boss (M. Bison rarely charges for charge moves, and does the Knee Press Nightmare in the original Street Fighter II), then good.

[AndrewTS 0]

0.

 

They stopped doing that with MKT.

 

You can already see Ermac, Sub-Zero and Scorpion look nothing alike(besides being ninja-like).

Bah, it's still lazy character design.

[Damaramu 0]

Well I just meant it kind of cheapens that final fight.

When I go to fight a boss I want to go up against a challenge that I haven't seen all game.

But whenever you can select the boss you pretty much get used to him and get some good looks at him while you play as him. I don't like that.

I also didn't like how you could unlock Motaro and Shao Kahn in MKIII and they didn't have Fatalities. I also didn't like not being able to do fatalities on bosses.

[Anya 0]

DA bosses are not worse. Moloch(subboss) is a big hoss monster with overpowered attacks, but he's not too bad. He's easier and less cheap than the previous monsters. The final bosses(Quan Chi & Shang Tsung) are just normally playable characters, nothing out of the ordinary.

 

The pro-cheap boss argument is that they're BOSSES. They're SUPPOSED to be cheap and powerful. I like Kahn and Motaro. They're fun to fight. It doesn't feel like a normal fight, it actually feels like you're fighting someone strong. Kintaro is a badass, but is TOO hard on some versions.

[Anya 0]

I also didn't like how you could unlock Motaro and Shao Kahn in MKIII and they didn't have Fatalities. I also didn't like not being able to do fatalities on bosses.

My problem with the old school MK bosses being playable is that being them just isn't fun. They're so hoss controlling them is all combersome. You just lumber around doing your 4 moves. They can't jump or duck or do normal attacks and all that stuff.

 

I like how you can fatality the bosses(except Moloch) in DA. I miss the old school death scenes though. Kahn turning into stone and blowing up in II is cool.

 

The bosses have Fatalities of their own in MKT for N64.

[Damaramu 0]

This is making me want to go out and rent Deadly Alliance......maybe I should.

[AndrewTS 0]

This is making me want to go out and rent Deadly Alliance......maybe I should.

Pfft, you may as well buy it, if places around where you live charge 5 bucks like around here.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Anyone else think that Sub-Zero is looking very Super-Shredder-ish?

 

I'm all for Ermac making a return, I really liked using him in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 and with all the history he has with the series (being the 'Error Macro' issue from MKI etc.) I think it is a good idea to include him.

 

However, I don't buy this game unless Cyrax is in there, so they haven't impressed me enough just yet.

 

UYI

[Anya 0]

all the history he has with the series (being the 'Error Macro' issue from MKI etc.

But that's just an urban legend and hoax!

[Guest Coffey]

Am I the only one who thinks that isn't Mileena from the trailer? That's who they said it was supposed to be, correct? Milleena with a new outfit.

 

Would it be so totally off-the-wall to believe it could possibly be a new female in the MK world?

 

I couldn't spot Nightwolf either, and I was going frame by frame. Maybe they're just seeing something that they want to see? I'm all for a Nightwolf return however, as he's one of my top three or four characters to have come out of the MK franchise. I really, really liked his "Judgment" Fatality...with the "Light of God."

 

What's the target release date for this bad boy anyway?

[Anya 0]

It's almost certainly Mileena. It's a purple female ninja with sais, why would it be someone new? The PSM article calls her Mileena too.

 

The Nightwolf thing is not confirmed, but sure seems like it. You can only see him for a second. It's in the same quick shot as the girl with the big hat. You can see her fighting a dude with Indian looking clothes, a feather in his hair, and a hatchet in his hand. A respected player from MKO also says he has a source that confirmed it to be Nightwolf.

 

IGN just posted some new pics from PSM's up coming article. They show more interactive stages, show some new bald character(some are arguing it's an alternate outfit for Sub-Zero) and they show the first image of Noob Saibot.

 

The game comes out fall of 2004.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Where was Shang Tsung during MK4?

[Anya 0]

In the actual game he isn't mentioned at all so at the time we didn't know what happened to him and many speculated he died during MK3.

 

But in DA it was revealed he was locked up by Kahn for failing to win and then just chilling out at his home in Outworld.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

So did Baraka and Mileena ever get together?

[Guest Coffey]

Apparently I just didn't see the Sai's. All I saw was a jumpkick and a cinematic fall through a wall. Truthfully, on my monitor her color didn't even look purple.

 

Oh well.

[Anya 0]

So did Baraka and Mileena ever get together?

 

 

Not sure. Mileena's MK II and UMK3 endings mention them ruling together, but neither actually happened. It's still possible they know each other or are a couple though.

 

 

The sais are not on the trailer. You can see them in the new PSM pics.

[Guest Coffey]

The sais are not on the trailer. You can see them in the new PSM pics.

Well, that information would've been valuable about fifteen minutes ago.

[Anya 0]

I did mention the pics. They're at IGN.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

What shit me about MK4 is that the head-badass was a carbon copy of Shang, possessing even his shapeshifting abilities. I thought that was a big cop out, and for an almighty being he sure was fucking piss easy to take down.

 

Sakura - Didn't Ed Boon give an interview where he said that in the early versions of Mortal Kombat there was a bug within the game that brought about Ermac? Maybe I'm not getting my story straight, but I could of sworn I've read something such as that.

 

UYI

[Anya 0]

What shit me about MK4 is that the head-badass was a carbon copy of Shang, possessing even his shapeshifting abilities. I thought that was a big cop out, and for an almighty being he sure was fucking piss easy to take down.

 

Well, he doesn't shapeshift exactly like Shang. He just gets the person's moveset, but still looks the same. They're more like impersonations than morphs.

 

But yeah, it's weak. I hate how Shinnok was hyped as an uber strong fallen elder god then turned out to be a pushover.

 

 

 

Sakura - Didn't Ed Boon give an interview where he said that in the early versions of Mortal Kombat there was a bug within the game that brought about Ermac? Maybe I'm not getting my story straight, but I could of sworn I've read something such as that.

 

 

Sort of. He and Roger Sharp were asked about it in Gamepro back in 93. They confirmed that there is something in the game called Ermac and it comes up when something that isn't supposed to happen happens. Whatever that means. The answer was extremely vague. They didn't say what it does or even actually confirm it was a red ninja at all. He also hinted it may be in MK II.

 

Also over the years Ed has mentioned Ermac in interviews, but in a joking manor. Like he'll be like "anyone found Ermac yet?? "

 

The problem with asking Ed is that you'll never get a straight answer. He loves the whole mystery of MK and always plays it up. Like he still claims there's a hidden code in MKDA to be discovered(but he "can't remember" what it was). It's hard to take anything Ed says seriously. You never know if he's being honest or just working the fans.

 

 

There IS something in early MK games called "ermac" though. Until they switched to the T-Unit hardware all the revisions had a listing for "ermacs" in the audits menu. I am not sure what that is. Whatever it is it's not exclusive to MK, as it's in Smash TV too. The manual for the arcade version lists it as "error traps".

 

People have been looking through the game's ROMs to try and find proof of Ermac and came up with nothing. There's no "ermac wins", no "Ermac" in the lifebar, no sign of him at all. Also the game is over a decade old and no one has been able to reproduce it or provided any solid details on it.

 

 

Besides Ed's interview the article about it in EGM is the most cited proof that Ermac exists. WAY back in the day some guy named Tony Casey sent in a story and picture about Ermac. He told this ridiculous story about Ermac jumping down and giving clues and then a week later fighting him. The pic is really dark and shady looking. Quite frankley, it's a bunch of BS. The story is hilarious because of how hokey it is. What he describes is obviously not in the game or it would have been discovered 10 years ago. It also contradicts what Ed says since it's clearly not some rare glitch, but something intentionally programed to be in the game.

 

 

I think the whole thing is just a clasic urban legend. My guess is that "ermacs" was simply some hardware related bug counter. The listing for "ermacs" is right under the listing for "Reptile Appearances". I am betting some player way back in the day saw that and thought it meant "Ermac Appearances" and passed it on to his friends. Then they passed it on and so forth until the rumor became "omg there is a guy in it called ermac!". Then the Tony guy took the rumor and sent the hoax story and pic to EGM and it snowballed even more. Finally Gamepro asked Ed and he gave his vague little answer and the legend was born.

 

 

I don't think it will ever die. Even though it's over 10 years old and still no sign of him. Even though with modern technology we can look at the game's code and see that there simply is no Ermac in the games ROM. Everyone still believes it because they want to believe. It's silly, but fans love the mystery of MK. They love how "mysterious" the game's secrets are. The idea of this ultra secretive ninja that nobody has seen lurking in the shadows is appealing. It gives the game this mysterious, cryptic vibe. Like 90% of fans believe in it, yet no one ever has any proof. No one ever has any clear pics, any real details on it, any idea of how to get to him, or anything. It's always either "really well hidden~!" or "it's the rarest glitch ever!". Also people always cite the Ed interview or the EGM story yet because they're so old they don't actually remember what was said. "It was in EGM, so it must be true!" even though it was really just some fan who sent it in and who's story was really goofy sounding. The truth is that it's almost certainly just some boring old error log...but the idea of it being a mystery character is just so appealing people will never give it up.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

So they were telling the truth. They knew of the legend but they told the real answer... Ermac is "something in the game that comes up when something happens that isn't supposed to happen" ... meaning an "error trap". So it's just an error log message that has gained cult status because (as Sakura said) people just don't want to stop believing in it.

[Damaramu 0]

I never played MK4. Is it any good? And what was the story behind that one?

[Guest Coffey]

I think MK4 was pretty much the worst version. It was the first attempt at 3D elements in a MK game (with the side strafing). It was also the first time that weapons were introduced into the franchise as well. Pluse there was interractive shit laying on the ground that you could throw at your opponent.

 

It felt clanky too.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

"It was in EGM, so it must be true!"

 

I remember being told the same thing when Sheng Long and Akuma in RE2 came about.

 

And what was the story behind that one?

 

Shinnok comes back and want to take over the Earth. Liu and company stop him. Oh and Cyrax and Kung Lao came back in the Dreamcast update of it MK4: Gold.

[Ted the Poster 0]

Baraka and Mileena sex= dangerous. Chomp! Agggh!!! Mileena wins... Castrality.

 

Anyway, I was thinking about Reiko's throne ending, and how it's been suggested he is really Shao Kahn. Well, what if in this new game he's revealed to be Kahn's son? I'm no MK scholar, but wouldn't that make sense?

[Anya 0]

Mileena, Kitana, Baraka and Sektor also were added to MK Gold.

 

Most people hate MK4, but I like it. Not as much as the first 3, but it's still fun. It plays more like MK3 than a 3D fighter and the weapons are more of a novelty than really useful. I had a long overview of it's gameplay typed out but it was deleted....

 

 

I suppose Reiko could be Kahn's son. It would be kind of lame to say that he had a son this whole time and just never mentioned him, but that's never stopped them before.

 

Reiko's MK4 opening story mentions nothing about Kahn. It says he's one of Shinnok's generals who died and has apparently come back to life. In the show MK Conquest he appeared and was one of Kahn's minions. The developers have said he was "associated" with Kahn, but wouldn't elaborate. In the latest chat with them John Vogel flat out said Reiko was a lame character and he never wanted to use him again. I don't think anyone has any idea what Reiko's deal is.

[Guest Coffey]

Is Reiko the guy with the eye make-up and the ninja star fatality? I thought he had one of the better fatalities...the last star in the forehead was comedy.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

That's the guy, Coff.

 

I also really liked Mortal Kombat 4, unlike most. However, I was greatly disappointed to hear that there was no Cyrax in there whatsoever. Good fun tearing it up as Liu Kang and Fujin though.

 

Also, it's been reported that Noob Saibot is returning to Mortal Kombat in Deception. Seems whomever Sakura sarcasically calls upon to be in the game suddenly appears in the line-up.

 

Conspiracy.

 

UYI

[Use Your Illusion 0]

All this god damned Mortal Kombat talk has me so nostalgic, I'm obsessed. I blame Sakura.

 

Some pics for those who cannot be bothered wading through IGN.com...

 

Sub Zero vs. Baraka

 

The returning Ermac faces the elusive Noob Saibot

 

Kombat arena.

 

UYI

[Anya 0]

I figured Noob would be back because so many people were pissed he wasn't in DA. For some reason Noob is really popular. Everyone thinks he is "mysterious". I say he is more "halfassed". It's just Scorpion colored black with a vague story! That's not "mysterious" or "interesting"....

 

Noob was in MKTE, but nobody seems to have cared about that.