Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I watch alot of The Discovery Channel and The History Channel and after watching a program today on Alcatraz I started to wonder why they don't renovate it enough where its all fixxed up but still has its cold and isolated feel, then reopen it. Basically if you do away with the death penalty and place people like Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, etc in there it might make people think twice about comitting such brutal crimes. Basically make it the nation's prison for the worst of the worst. With today's technology they could make it so escape is impossible. I just think its still got that feel to it where nobody ever wants to spend their life there(and that's what it would be, life terms only) and it should be reopened. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I think it violated the civil rights of its inmates... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I think it violated the civil rights of its inmates... And......? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TSA09 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 I agree with KKK. If you've ever been there and in there, then it might change your mind a bit. It is definately creepy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 16, 2004 The types of people I gave examples of that would go there give up their Civil Rights as soon as they commit those kinds of crimes. The Death Penalty is far too easy as they don't truly have to suffer. The thought of getting 50+ years in Alcatraz might sway people to solve their problems differently than mass murder and what have you. I mean who really cares about the rights of the absolute filth criminals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 I mean who really cares about the rights of the absolute filth criminals? MrRant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TSA09 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 The Constitution and Bill of Rights Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spicy McHaggis 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 What rights does Alcatraz violate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Once again, as soon as you go out on a mass murder or you kidnap, rape and kill a child, or something along those lines the Bill of Rights and Constitution should no longer be a shield for you to use. Why would we want to protect the rights of somebody who has nothing but ill intentions on their mind for society. I think Alcatraz would be the greatest way of keeping those types from ever getting back into society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 I think Alcatraz would be the greatest way of keeping those types from ever getting back into society. I'm in favor of a high speed catapult into a brick wall as Carlin suggests. Instant replay and Slo-Mo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Once again, as soon as you go out on a mass murder or you kidnap, rape and kill a child, or something along those lines the Bill of Rights and Constitution should no longer be a shield for you to use. Why would we want to protect the rights of somebody who has nothing but ill intentions on their mind for society. I think Alcatraz would be the greatest way of keeping those types from ever getting back into society. That's charming, but you can't start acting like that's suddenly going to happen or something. There already is a super prison though, that one that John Gotti and the Unibomber were sent to. Making it Alcatraz would just make the whole thing needlessly romantic, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 I agree with KKK. If you've ever been there and in there, then it might change your mind a bit. It is definately creepy. You know I was kidding, right? Open Alcatraz right up without renovations I say... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SideFXs Report post Posted February 16, 2004 RFK shut it down in 1963, because it was considered cruel and unusual punishment. I toured it in 1992. It was creepy. Just step into one of the solitary confinement rooms, situated two stories below the "Birdman" It was damp and cold and the wind never stopped. It was 20 degrees warmer as soon as you got back to pier 39. If anyone goes, be prepared and bring a coat and walking shoes; It’s a long hike from the boat to the main facility. Oh, and I didn’t leave with a warm fuzzy feeling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted February 16, 2004 fuck the prisioners. we're not talking about petty criminals here, we're talking about murderers and rapists. Shoot them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted February 16, 2004 fuck the prisioners. we're not talking about petty criminals here, we're talking about murderers and rapists. Shoot them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted February 16, 2004 fuck the prisioners. we're not talking about petty criminals here, we're talking about murderers and rapists. Shoot them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 A message so powerful, so impacting, so God damned IMPORTANT it needed to be stated THRICE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted February 17, 2004 uh...oops. but it's true damn it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I think the greatest story I ever heard about Alcatraz was that guy who came *this close* to busting out. He got out of the prison, into the freezing, shark-infested waters (or so I've heard) and swam all the way to the mainland of San Fransisco. Once there, he collapsed of exhaustion, and when he woke up, he was surrounded by cops. Gold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 This thread has way too many asses shooting fire... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 There's sharks in San Francisco? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I think so... In any event, the phrase "freezing, shark-infested waters" when referring to Alcatraz seems to sound familiar to me, but I'm honestly not sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I think the greatest story I ever heard about Alcatraz was that guy who came *this close* to busting out. He got out of the prison, into the freezing, shark-infested waters (or so I've heard) and swam all the way to the mainland of San Fransisco. Once there, he collapsed of exhaustion, and when he woke up, he was surrounded by cops. Gold. Actually your close, but not exactly right with the story. It was brought up in the show I was watching. He made it to a near-by small island reef and hid in there for 2 days. After 2 days though he was so cold and freezing and torn up from crabs eating on him that he swam back over to Alcatraz and gave himself up. He would have died had he not. The guards were told to speak as if there were sharks near there but none were ever spotted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I say don't just put them in prison, and don't just shoot them. I say that we should use them to see what happens in "what if" cases. Like what if we tied one to a rocket, and launced it into orbit? What if we cut off as many pieces of the guy as we can, just to find out how much we could sever before they die. That sort of thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 17, 2004 all of those lead to death shortly after the crime though. You want them to live a long, yet absolutely miserable life. Alcatraz is the ideal place for that to take place. You you may laugh but you could do even other cruel things such as if they ever get up into an officers face tie them down and give them major paper cuts(using a manilla envelope) on the webbing inbetween each toe. Whenever they take even the smallest of steps it'll hurt like hell yet its one of those things that won't leave them unconcious or anything. We could learn alot from old Viet-Kon methods of jailing and torture for use on the scummiest of criminals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 You guys do know you're worse than the people you want to torture, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EQ Report post Posted February 17, 2004 fuck the prisioners. we're not talking about petty criminals here, we're talking about murderers and rapists. Shoot them all. I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted February 17, 2004 I hear that Canadian prisons are a great alternative to being homeless/poor and have more shit in them than the cells we put Enron execs in. Is this true or am I being lied to? It seems kind of hard to imagine, since the principle of prisons is to "omg make them rot in hell for 50 years until they go to hell anyway, that human filth we very closely resemble THEM~!". you've heard wrong. I have friends in prison. it's no cake walk. it's just as bad as American jails. trust me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2004 give them major paper cuts(using a manilla envelope) on the webbing inbetween each toe. Whenever they take even the smallest of steps it'll hurt like hell yet its one of those things that won't leave them unconcious or anything. We could learn alot from old Viet-Kon methods of jailing and torture for use on the scummiest of criminals Viet-Kong...Jackass: The Movie....either one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2004 I was just there this past summer. Some guys flew out from the DC area so we went to San Francisco and Alcatraz. It is a huge facility, and kind of creepy inside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
