alfdogg 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 That's right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted February 19, 2004 That's a great move for Detroit. They need the size and the Wallaces could help them get over the slump their in. Detroit can also use someone who's averaging 17 pts. a game badly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Somebody should tell Danny Ainge that his job is to make the Celtics better, not help other teams get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 holy shit, when I saw the thread title I thought he meant, LeBron James.......hoo boy...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 As did I. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 That's how I get hits, Mike...that's how I get hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Would that be a bait-and-switch, or a swerve? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Would that be a bait-and-switch, or a swerve? OMG SWERVE~! BAN PLZ~! Rasheed is getting shipped around like Paris Hilton. [/booed off the stage] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 19, 2004 As a Celtics fan, ... nice. More draft picks for a easily replaceable guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Cleveland should trade Lebron James Just so they can get the Holiday Inn Bonehead of the week award. As for the Celtics, Ainge is shipping out everyone that he didn't pick and starting over. It was obvious when he made the move for Ricky Davis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I wonder when he'll trade Pierce. Its bound to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I wonder when he'll trade Pierce. Its bound to happen No it's not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 19, 2004 With Ainge I wouldn't doubt it. Especially since the Boston media is all over him about his leadership skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Pierce is the backbone of the franchise. He won't be traded. The guys who were traded, were all expandable. Ainge has been getting draft picks, along with Davis and Welsch - who both have tons of talent and potential. LaFrentz and Mihm are questionable, but it should be interesting who we draft this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I still think it's kind of funny that both former Pistons Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars were both actively seeking Rasheed. I still have a feeling he's going to wind up in New York for next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DubWiser Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Pierce is the backbone of the franchise. He won't be traded. 'Twon was the real backbone/leader of the franchise. He was traded. For crap. Watching Ainge manage the C's is like watching a four year old play chess. He knows that he's supposed to move the pieces around, but his little brain just isn't developed enough to figure out how to do it the right way...so he just makes shit up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 I don't know how long I see Ainge with the Celts. Eventually his bosses are going to get panicky. It's not like he's pulling an Isaiah and doing meaningful trades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Pierce is the backbone of the franchise. He won't be traded. 'Twon was the real backbone/leader of the franchise. Hahaha. No he wasn't. He would breakdown every time come playoffs. He was weak and all he did was toss of 3s and he wouldn't change his game. Welsh is not crap, but I agree that we should have gotten alot more from him, or kept him. Trading him for anything was a stupid move. Edit: I am not saying Walker is not a very good player, but Pierce was/is the backbone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 *does the yes motion* Great move by Dumars. I was getting scared by the Billups-for-Rasheed rumblings I was hearing about... this is *much* better! (even though i'm a little sad to see Chucky Atkins go). Wallace squared in the Detroit low post (that is... if Rasheed doesn't do something stupid and get suspended). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 With Rasheed and Ben down low, there will be rebounds o plenty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobobrazil1984 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 the only potential problem for my boys here in Detroit... is if Rip and/or Chauncy billups get into foul trouble. They gave up their top reserve guards! I actually know nothing about mike james.. is he any good? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Ainge should have gotten Michael Finley and Jiri Welsch. Dallas was willing to deal Finley at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Ainge should have gotten Michael Finley and Jiri Welsch. Dallas was willing to deal Finley at the time. That would've been great. I'm hoping Welsch turns into a good player though. Hes shown some great flashes, and if his playing time was up - I wonder what he'd do. A few Dallas fans I know praise him, so hes got my expections up a bit, heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DubWiser Report post Posted February 20, 2004 I am not saying Walker is not a very good player, but Pierce was/is the backbone. I don't disagree that Pierce is the more talented player, but Walker was the leader. In the Conference Finals two years ago, when Pierce and everyone else (except my man Kenny Anderson) had given up, it was 'Twon who got up in everyone's face and inspired them to mount that comeback. Granted, that's just one example, but Walker made everyone around him better. He rebounded, dished, could play in the post, and had excellent court vision. Yes, his shot selection could be horrendous, but so can Pierce's... I'm watching the game right now. 3 on 1 break, Pierce with the ball, Ricky and Welsh on the wings. Logic would dictate that you pass the ball to one of the two open men, not spin around wildy until the defense sets up and you have to settle for a contested jumper that you miss horribly...which is what Pierce just did. Let me preface what I'm about to say with the fact that I'm a lifelong C's fan and am not by any means a Pierce hater...but in my opinion he's overrated, at least by a lot of people here in Boston. He's far more selfish and limited than people would like to admit... Being the best player on a team and being that team's leader aren't mutually exclusive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 20, 2004 I am not saying Walker is not a very good player, but Pierce was/is the backbone. I don't disagree that Pierce is the more talented player, but Walker was the leader. In the Conference Finals two years ago, when Pierce and everyone else (except my man Kenny Anderson) had given up, it was 'Twon who got up in everyone's face and inspired them to mount that comeback. Granted, that's just one example, but Walker made everyone around him better. He rebounded, dished, could play in the post, and had excellent court vision. Yes, his shot selection could be horrendous, but so can Pierce's... I'm watching the game right now. 3 on 1 break, Pierce with the ball, Ricky and Welsh on the wings. Logic would dictate that you pass the ball to one of the two open men, not spin around wildy until the defense sets up and you have to settle for a contested jumper that you miss horribly...which is what Pierce just did. Let me preface what I'm about to say with the fact that I'm a lifelong C's fan and am not by any means a Pierce hater...but in my opinion he's overrated, at least by a lot of people here in Boston. He's far more selfish and limited than people would like to admit... Being the best player on a team and being that team's leader aren't mutually exclusive. All good points, but I will also say - Walker, while in Boston, was just as selfish as a player as Pierce was. It looks like he's grown up since the trade (aka, reality check). Walker may have been more verbal, but there are many times when you see Pierce getting in peoples faces as well. I don't recall anyone comparing Pierce and Kobe Bryant, but he is the best player in Boston, and has been for the past .. many many years, so I don't think he's exactly overrated in Boston, just the best we've/they've seen. I will give you that though, Walker is more vocal, and probally was the vocal leader of the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Ainge should have gotten Michael Finley and Jiri Welsch. Dallas was willing to deal Finley at the time. That would've been great. the reason why he didn't was he thinks Raef LaFrentz is the next Kevin McHale...which obviously shows he thinks Kevin McHale was an over-rated piece of garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 If Lafrentz was healthy AT ALL this year he would have been the bext Cebter in the East. Walker was gone no matyter what due to his contract. The only thing the C's need right now is a Point Guard that knows how to create plays and get the ball to Pierce/Davis. Pierce is a great player if he doesn't have to create plays for himself, he needs someone to get him the ball in the open, same goes for Ricky. If the Celts had a 100% HEALTHY Raef and a real good passing PG they would be leading the division right now. Hopefully stockpiling all these draft picks can give Danny the chance to move up in the draft and get said passing PG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lando Griffin 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 If you saw the title and really, truly, honestly thought it was Lebron, then you are stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OctoberBlood Report post Posted February 20, 2004 If Lafrentz was healthy AT ALL this year he would have been the bext Cebter in the East. Walker was gone no matyter what due to his contract. The only thing the C's need right now is a Point Guard that knows how to create plays and get the ball to Pierce/Davis. Pierce is a great player if he doesn't have to create plays for himself, he needs someone to get him the ball in the open, same goes for Ricky. If the Celts had a 100% HEALTHY Raef and a real good passing PG they would be leading the division right now. Hopefully stockpiling all these draft picks can give Danny the chance to move up in the draft and get said passing PG. NBADraft.net shows us taking Sebastian Telfair, a HS PG in Kentucky (). Strengths: One of those rare players who makes the others around him better. Telfair posses great court vision and super passing ability. He will find you if your open. Sebastian has superior ball handling skills and penetration ability. He's been known to dazzle crowds with some of his super quick moves and ball skills. His quick hands and active feet make him a pest on defense…. He has that extra gear that allows him to out battle almost anyone...Makes the game look easy...Sebastian has dominated older competition for sometime with his otherworldly talent…..A fine prospect Weaknesses: Needs to improve his shooting to become a complete player....Sometimes gets carried away and makes things more difficult than they have to be...Must become stronger. Also has a tendency to hold the ball too long...Not a good rebounding point guard. Notes: Cousin of Stephon Marbury...Sebastian loves to operate when the game is close and the pressure is on...The youngest player to ever compete in the ABCD camp They got a bunch of articles posted about him here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Celts will deffinately have a higher pick than 15 when all is said and done. I'm just curious if they can work their way up enough where they can get the #1 pick either from being sucky or trading all 3 first rounders for it. Okafor is the next Alonzo Mourning from what I've seen(minus the crappy kidneys) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
